Brian Kelly...where is our....

[hvillebill]

At the time that UM win felt big didn't it. Then we find out Michigan had nothing that year but we didn't know that at the time.

I'm not discounting the USC win. That was wonderful...however it's not even close to being on the same level as the games I mentioned earlier nor Saturday night nor the other several examples that we lost over the years. They aren't even close.

BK has had his chances. Many of them
@FSU
@Clemson
@Stanford
Big bowl games
Something like 2-10 against the top 10
The numbers speak for themselves.

Now you keep avoiding my question to you...

at what point do you say enough is enough. There is no right answer here just your answer but I'm curious of it. You want to act like Satuday night is some freak thing uner BK so I just want to know at what point are you ready to turn a page in this chapter and what would it take for that to happen? Everyone asks me things on here all the time and I have no problem answering them with a straight forward answer,,,,so I will wait for your response on what straw will break the camels back in your mind.

Well, to begin with, we're 8-2 right now and the possibility exists for us to go 11-2 with a major bowl victory. Why would you fire your coach after that season? I sure wouldn't.

If we finish with three more losses then my opinion will be different.

I feel you're one of those that just wants to make a change simply for the sake of doing it. Just throw anybody in there and hope for the best. And what does that get us?

 

[HarlemIrish]

The fact that posters are debating and deciphering games is a huge red flag.

 

[Pennick44]

fyi - 8-2 with two games left and bowl game is hardly great. Even if ND wins its last two and wins a bowl game 11-2 would be a very good year, not great. Oh but I forgot, you like mediocrity so 8-5 or 9-4 would be a great year. More to come if bk stays in charge.

Always nice to hear from "Mr. I would never leave my guys." This season has been awesome. Can't wait for Saturday!

 

[Telx1]

fyi - 8-2 with two games left and bowl game is hardly great. Even if ND wins its last two and wins a bowl game 11-2 would be a very good year, not great. Oh but I forgot, you like mediocrity so 8-5 or 9-4 would be a great year. More to come if bk stays in charge.

I’ll take 11-2 with a big six bowl win any damn year. In today’s college football, this does equate to a great year. The only thing better is to win the NC, and if we did that once every eight years, I would be a very happy ND fan.

 

[justified1]

The big thing for ‘17 is the Big Win. ND needs a significant bowl against a major opponent. A must WIN.
Anything else is just a repeat of the prior experiences.

 

[nemeth#5]

Wrong .... Oklahoma finished 15th

like every season since the beginning of time ... it matters where you finish

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_rankings

You are judging BK because he has never beat a team that finished in the top 10? News flash, with at least one loss (to ND) it makes it difficult to finish in the top 10 lol!

FACT: ND has beat 3 top 20 teams this year by 20+ points......
FACT: We are currently ranked 8th in the world after getting drubbed.....

Yet, you want to fire BK with no plan on who to replace him with.

It blows my mind.

 

[NIN Irish]

Always nice to hear from "Mr. I would never leave my guys." On This season has been awesome. Can't wait for Saturday!

Wow. You must really have low expectations.

 

[nemeth#5]

Wow. You must really have low expectations.

20+ point wins over 3 ranked teams including current #11 U$C...... I agree this season has been awesome. . . Complete turnaround from last year. The team is on the right track and anyone who would want to dump that and start over with an unproven coach is flat out wrong.

 

[NIN Irish]

20+ point wins over 3 ranked teams including current #11 U$C...... I agree this season has been awesome. . . Complete turnaround from last year. The team is on the right track and anyone who would want to dump that and start over with an unproven coach is flat out wrong.

That's fine. We have different expectations, which is your right. You have a right to have lower expectations.
The turnaround is only because of such a dismal season in 16.
Awesome to me, would be winning the title. There's still a chance for a pretty good season...a sight not seen from Notre Dame in 2 1/2 decades. I'm hoping for a major bowl win. Anything less will be a disappointment to imo.

 

[tbonesays]

The big thing for ‘17 is the Big Win. ND needs a significant bowl against a major opponent. A must WIN.
Anything else is just a repeat of the prior experiences.

The most salient prior experience is Kelly's team nose diving the next year after a 10 win season.

 

[tkirish]

Losing is losing no matter how you slice it. This was the biggest game in a long time. Not saying they didn't have some big wins, they did. I'm saying that it was against an undefeated team , late in the season on the road. ND needed their "A" game. Instead they played their "F" game. It was their worst performance on the biggest stage. For me that's what is most bothersome. They were never in that game, ever. It was over after ten minutes. You could see it in the players eyes. Heck, even Kelly looked resigned on the sideline. Like it or not that game will define this team and their coach. Not by them but the outside forces. I support the players and their coach. However, it is apparent that though he is a good coach, he will not be the guy to win a national championship. the past 8 years speaks for itself. People can say the players need to take responsibility. That's true. But whether it's fair or not it's up to the coaches to have them ready to play. They didn't Saturday night. That's on Kelly. It was more than not executing. There was no fire or passion. Sometimes you lose to a better team. But if you give an all out effort and lose, the you can least keep your head held high. Miami is good , not great. ND showed no effort. That's inexcusable.

 

[nshvllend]

I just realized that Brian Kelly will never, ever win a big game at Notre Dame. Its not possible because as soon as he wins a big game, it isn't a big game anymore...

 

[Buguit]

You are judging BK because he has never beat a team that finished in the top 10? News flash, with at least one loss (to ND) it makes it difficult to finish in the top 10 lol!

FACT: ND has beat 3 top 20 teams this year by 20+ points......
FACT: We are currently ranked 8th in the world after getting drubbed.....

Yet, you want to fire BK with no plan on who to replace him with.

It blows my mind.

You want to keep BK because one time he beat a team that was temporarily ranked in the top 10 .... news flash .... the end of the season says who was top ten and who wasn't

FACT: ND is winning because BK isn't running offense of defense

Who to replace him with? .... How about Chip Long or Mike Elko .... they've done more for this team than Kelly ..... and the fact I have to point this out tells me what you know

The apologists keep saying that there are no better options .... we found 2 assistant coaches that apparently know and do more .... it's not that hard by a long shot

I'd say the lack of any logic blows my mind .... but I'm not surprised ... you guys keep proving it over and over again .... nope ... no surprise

 

[Buguit]

At the time that UM win felt big didn't it. Then we find out Michigan had nothing that year but we didn't know that at the time.

I'm not discounting the USC win. That was wonderful...however it's not even close to being on the same level as the games I mentioned earlier nor Saturday night nor the other several examples that we lost over the years. They aren't even close.

BK has had his chances. Many of them
@FSU
@Clemson
@Stanford
Big bowl games
Something like 2-10 against the top 10
The numbers speak for themselves.

Now you keep avoiding my question to you...

at what point do you say enough is enough. There is no right answer here just your answer but I'm curious of it. You want to act like Satuday night is some freak thing uner BK so I just want to know at what point are you ready to turn a page in this chapter and what would it take for that to happen? Everyone asks me things on here all the time and I have no problem answering them with a straight forward answer,,,,so I will wait for your response on what straw will break the camels back in your mind.

After Georgia and Miami this year it is more like 0-12

 

[ndfi65]

Always nice to hear from "Mr. I would never leave my guys." This season has been awesome. Can't wait for Saturday!

Arent you the moron who thought vangorder was a great hire? Your football expertise is one of a kind. You wouldn't understand the comment because your dumbass probabley never coached a team in your life.

 

[ndfi65]

So in other words, your expectations must be to get to the CFP every year. Sure that's the goal, but that isn't realistic unless you're Alabama.

Tell us what coach is out there that is willing to come to Notre Dame that could accomplish that?

I said IF ND wins out and wins a bowl game. I have my doubts. It will probably be 9-4 with a bowl blowout. That's status quo for your boy bk..

 

[88ND]

Arent you the moron who thought vangorder was a great hire? Your football expertise is one of a kind. You wouldn't understand the comment because your dumbass probabley never coached a team in your life.

You better believe it.

He was BVG biggest defender. That alone says everything you need to know about his evaluation of football.

 

[88ND]

I just realized that Brian Kelly will never, ever win a big game at Notre Dame. Its not possible because as soon as he wins a big game, it isn't a big game anymore...

When he wins his first we'll just find out about that huh.

Until then his big victories are at home or not really that big as the team turns out to be shit.

When he wins a game like Saturday night...
I assure you that will stay a big game win.

It just won't happen.

 

[hvillebill]

I said IF ND wins out and wins a bowl game. I have my doubts. It will probably be 9-4 with a bowl blowout. That's status quo for your boy bk..

First of all, he's not my "boy". I said he should have been fired after last year, but ND decided to keep him. Therefore, I want to see him succeed. Why? Because if he succeeds, ND is winning.

Surely you're not like that idiot Pers. Surely you're not like him, rooting against Kelly, because then you're rooting against the team. Pers actually said last year (and I quote), "A real fan will root for ND to lose so we can get a new coach".

Don't be that guy.

 

[perseverare]

First of all, he's not my "boy". I said he should have been fired after last year, but ND decided to keep him. Therefore, I want to see him succeed. Why? Because if he succeeds, ND is winning.

Surely you're not like that idiot Pers. Surely you're not like him, rooting against Kelly, because then you're rooting against the team. Pers actually said last year (and I quote), "A real fan will root for ND to lose so we can get a new coach".

Don't be that guy.

Bille

you are repeating a lie that you were called out on before.

You are an ASS.

A creditless ASS.

Stand on your own merits or arguments and don’t continue to be such a wuss! You had no call to involve me in your usual dribble. My purposein reply is to set you in your place as a liar. I did notinitiate this YOU did.

Your 1st Weis’s boy; now Kelly’s boy. No mind of your own.

My feeling regarding Kelly his position at ND are focused on non football more so than W/L.


For the record you are as always a damned liar.

To everyone else. Recently I replied to Bodi’s message explaining my position regarding Kelly and ND. It was clear and concise.
Most got it.

Special note to Bodi
Hey, get back here, The forum needs you. I miss reading your posts and exchanges with the ‘wingmen’.

 

[hvillebill]

Bille

you are repeating a lie that you were called out on before.

You are an ASS.

A creditless ASS.

Stand on your own merits or arguments and don’t continue to be such a wuss!
Your 1st Weis’s boy; now Kelly’s boy.

My feeling regarding Kelly his position at ND are focused on non football more so than W/L.


For the record you are as always a damned liar.

No one is a bigger ass than you, and the majority on this board knows it.

You haven't posted for some time, so I knew this would bring you out from under your rock.

 

[ndfi65]

First of all, he's not my "boy". I said he should have been fired after last year, but ND decided to keep him. Therefore, I want to see him succeed. Why? Because if he succeeds, ND is winning.

Surely you're not like that idiot Pers. Surely you're not like him, rooting against Kelly, because then you're rooting against the team. Pers actually said last year (and I quote), "A real fan will root for ND to lose so we can get a new coach".

Don't be that guy.

I would never root against ND regardless of my dislike for bk. How many years do we have to see this guy lead the Irish to 8 wins and all the kool aide drinkers think this is acceptable. Oh he will have his occasional good year and his dreadful years but the majority of the time its 8 wins and a loss in a bowl game.

 

[nemeth#5]

You want to keep BK because one time he beat a team that was temporarily ranked in the top 10 .... news flash .... the end of the season says who was top ten and who wasn't

FACT: ND is winning because BK isn't running offense of defense

Who to replace him with? .... How about Chip Long or Mike Elko .... they've done more for this team than Kelly ..... and the fact I have to point this out tells me what you know

The apologists keep saying that there are no better options .... we found 2 assistant coaches that apparently know and do more .... it's not that hard by a long shot

I'd say the lack of any logic blows my mind .... but I'm not surprised ... you guys keep proving it over and over again .... nope ... no surprise

Pretty sure we were the only team to beat Michigan state a few years back.... maybe 2013? I know they went on to be ranked in the top 5....... you better think of a way to spin that to fit your logic as well.

 

[nemeth#5]

You want to keep BK because one time he beat a team that was temporarily ranked in the top 10 .... news flash .... the end of the season says who was top ten and who wasn't

FACT: ND is winning because BK isn't running offense of defense

Who to replace him with? .... How about Chip Long or Mike Elko .... they've done more for this team than Kelly ..... and the fact I have to point this out tells me what you know

The apologists keep saying that there are no better options .... we found 2 assistant coaches that apparently know and do more .... it's not that hard by a long shot

I'd say the lack of any logic blows my mind .... but I'm not surprised ... you guys keep proving it over and over again .... nope ... no surprise

Stanford went on to win the Rose Bowl in 2012 right? I bet then finished in the top 10?

U$C is ranked 11th right now and we drubbed them by like 30+...... guess we will see where they finish.

 

[justified1]

Pretty sure we were the only team to beat Michigan state a few years back.... maybe 2013? I know they went on to be ranked in the top 5....... you better think of a way to spin that to fit your logic as well.

I think that there are Big games that are Big games that are known by the build up to the games. These are games between teams that are thought among the teams in playoff or title contention. There is always the usual pre game hype. Everyone agrees it is a Big game.
Then there are the games that are looked back upon after the fact, or after a season ends and are thought as turning point games or big after the fact. The MSU game was more the latter. Aside from ND or MSU fans there was little national expectation nor impression that it was a Big Game. Even the Ok/ND game was mid season and there wasstill no conviction that either team was ‘legit’ as far as the NC contention was considered. It was a big game in context of rivaly and team’s history. Same goes for the recent game with SC.
Compare that to the game last Sat. That game was a nationally significant game with national hype? It was a big stage moment. The 2012 NC game was a Big Game. I think the bowl game against tOSU was a big game in terms of what it meant to the direction of both teams.

That is the difference in trying to identify what ‘a big game is’.

 

[nemeth#5]

I think that there are Big games that are Big games that are known by the build up to the games. These are games between teams that are thought among the teams in playoff or title contention. There is always the usual pre game hype. Everyone agrees it is a Big game.
Then there are the games that are looked back upon after the fact, or after a season ends and are thought as turning point games or big after the fact. The MSU game was more the latter. Aside from ND or MSU fans there was little national expectation nor impression that it was a Big Game. Even the Ok/ND game was mid season and there wasstill no conviction that either team was ‘legit’ as far as the NC contention was considered. It was a big game in context of rivaly and team’s history. Same goes for the recent game with SC.
Compare that to the game last Sat. That game was a nationally significant game with national hype? It was a big stage moment. The 2012 NC game was a Big Game. I think the bowl game against tOSU was a big game in terms of what it meant to the direction of both teams.

That is the difference in trying to identify what ‘a big game is’.

So, you are saying that the game against U$C a few weeks ago was not a big game nationally.... just a big game between the two programs? I will disagree with that. I think it was similar to the Miami game in national hype (similar in the outcome as well... just on different sides).

So, let me get this straight..... if you beat a team in the top ten but they end up outside the top ten it doesn't count (even though they already had one loss to ND).... and if you beat a team that isn't in the top ten when you beat them, but finish in the top ten..... it isn't a good win for BK either? Makes sense to me...... Man, I swear if BK went undefeated (again) people would find a way to complain about how he did it.

 

[NyyorkerND]

I just realized that Brian Kelly will never, ever win a big game at Notre Dame. Its not possible because as soon as he wins a big game, it isn't a big game anymore...

So darn true, it makes me sick with some of these posters.

 

[tbonesays]

So, you are saying that the game against U$C a few weeks ago was not a big game nationally.... just a big game between the two programs? I will disagree with that. I think it was similar to the Miami game in national hype (similar in the outcome as well... just on different sides).

S.

It was more of a regional win than a national one as USC had already lost to Wazzou and the rest of the nation was watching PSU-UM on ABC.

 

[nemeth#5]

It was more of a regional win than a national one as USC had already lost to Wazzou and the rest of the nation was watching PSU-UM on ABC.

Regional win huh? I guess I have a different definition of 'regional' as well. To me regional means two teams that are in the same.... region (Michigan vs Michigan st)...... Make no mistake about it, the ND beat down of USC was a very big game.

If Miami goes out and loses a game or two, would that make their win over ND any less important?

 

[justified1]

Regional win huh? I guess I have a different definition of 'regional' as well. To me regional means two teams that are in the same.... region (Michigan vs Michigan st)...... Make no mistake about it, the ND beat down of USC was a very big game.

If Miami goes out and loses a game or two, would that make their win over ND any less important?

If you look at USC in ‘17, that is a team whose record is way better than their play.
Injuries, turnovers, bad coaching and depth issues are the story of that team.
When SC played ND, if ND had lost that game it would have been a colossal failure.
Even SC fans expected to lose. They did think they would be more competitive.
But SC has struggled. Their games are on late at night (EST) so they are a good late night watch if you can’t sleep.

 

[iwish]

Wow. You must really have low expectations.

And like others, you must have unrealistically high expectations. There is no way, if you are being honest, that you expected the Irish to go 12-0 or 11-1 this year, did you? Just tell the truth. Because outside of the "crazy poster" whose meds don't keep him from predicting 12-0 every year, pretty sure 99.9% of the rest of Irish fans didn't. Pretty much everyone was thinking 8-4, maybe 9-3.

 

[IRISHJD98]

Surely you're not like that idiot Pers. Surely you're not like him, rooting against Kelly, because then you're rooting against the team. Pers actually said last year (and I quote), "A real fan will root for ND to lose so we can get a new coach".

Don't be that guy.

I looked and couldn't find that quote from Perse. But I did run across this gem:

USC is gonna hang 50+on Kelly in '17

Link

 

[88ND]

And like others, you must have unrealistically high expectations. There is no way, if you are being honest, that you expected the Irish to go 12-0 or 11-1 this year, did you? Just tell the truth. Because outside of the "crazy poster" whose meds don't keep him from predicting 12-0 every year, pretty sure 99.9% of the rest of Irish fans didn't. Pretty much everyone was thinking 8-4, maybe 9-3.

I had zero expectation and I don't know how anyone could under Brian Kelly. We've seen a 12-0 2012 campaign and a 4-8 embarrassing football team....
.and everything in between.

So speak for yourself on expectations but I was not surprised by the tram this year.

First of all they could only improve. 16 was a ridiculous display of football so it wouldn't take much to improve on that. Hell just ridding BVG that alone was worth massive improvement on defense. The ****ing tackling was the worst I've seen from any team. We tackled worse than big 12 schools.

So anything was going to improve on our shit situation, no?

 

[tbonesays]

Regional win huh? I guess I have a different definition of 'regional' as well. To me regional means two teams that are in the same.... region (Michigan vs Michigan st)...... Make no mistake about it, the ND beat down of USC was a very big game.

If Miami goes out and loses a game or two, would that make their win over ND any less important?

Our cultural region. The game was only referenced in pockets of Irish and Trojans. Which is to say only in ND's territory because USC largely fans disappear when the Trojans aren't playing for the natty.

Obviously.

 

[Buguit]

Pretty sure we were the only team to beat Michigan state a few years back.... maybe 2013? I know they went on to be ranked in the top 5....... you better think of a way to spin that to fit your logic as well.

Your argument is full of maybe's .... and then I see you are arguing with the whole board .... you can send your application in to the resident clown show posse .... you'll be accepted

You can win this one by proving Kelly is 1-11 vs. top 10 teams .... seriously??? .... you know how to spin them ..... LOL!

Tell us again how here are no better options too .... ????

 

[Buguit]

Stanford went on to win the Rose Bowl in 2012 right? I bet then finished in the top 10?

U$C is ranked 11th right now and we drubbed them by like 30+...... guess we will see where they finish.

USC was a big win against a good team .... but don't the guys actually running the defense and offense get the credit .... let me guess ... not in your world

The only thing kelly touches he screws up .... like electing to receive ... that turned into 3 and out and USC starting 1st drive at midfield .... or my favorite ... putting Book in last week which effectively ended the game ... screwing up the QB situation is his calling card

 

[88ND]

USC was a big win against a good team .... but don't the guys actually running the defense and offense get the credit .... let me guess ... not in your world

The only thing kelly touches he screws up .... like electing to receive ... that turned into 3 and out and USC starting 1st drive at midfield .... or my favorite ... putting Book in last week which effectively ended the game ... screwing up the QB situation is his calling card

The crazy thing at this point is how anyone can possibly defend BK with legitimate arguments.

Pointing to turning around a disaster that he created is a pretty lame reason to keep him

 

[HRC08]

Are you joking? Miami in the bowl game when they had an interim coach? Seriously? LOL.

Evenly matched teams, we Irish fans didn’t know that they’d blow Miami of the field after a long layoff. Sure we knew they finished the year strong but that’s all we knew.

 

[hvillebill]

The crazy thing at this point is how anyone can possibly defend BK with legitimate arguments.

Pointing to turning around a disaster that he created is a pretty lame reason to keep him

So, this year it was go undefeated, win the National Championship, or fire him?

We could still finish 11-2 with a major bowl win. Who fires their coach under those circumstances?

 

[irishstuey81]

It's about the bad losses. Too damn many terrible losses to bad teams and getting blow out by good teams.

Northwestern was all we need to know about him. The scenarios are on the damn card...kick the fing extra point and win the game.