Brian Kelly...where is our....

[88ND]

To all the pro/anti BK people...
This one question or statement says a lot.

Ask or answer one thing.

In his tenure here where is our one Odd defying win.

I'm NOT talking about what Vegas says and odds as in spread.

I am talking about that one game where it's us against the world mentality.

That one game we have no business winning but we play perfect and over achieve.

Now i ask you..pro and anti BK folks...

Where the hell is our win like that?

Just one?

In eight years there have been several opportunities.

You'd think that even on accident he'd win at least one of these.

This is the disheartening thing.

If he has never won one of these games at Notre Dame (or maybe ever) there is no way in hell that we can ever win a title with him. Now the playoffs are in full effect you truly have to earn that title.

He says his goal at Notre Dame is a championship...how about just winning an upset odd defying game.

Just one of them for **** sake.

 

[HarlemIrish]

I guess I would say the Oklahoma win. Before that pos Pat Ryan robbed the Irish vs Florida St.

 

[justified1]

In reply to the ‘us against the world’ motivation, I don’t think the team has ever felt that true feeling since Kelly has been H.C. It has seemed it is always BK ‘him’ against the world and the team is just caught up in it but never truly experiencing the ‘us’.
It has always appeared as Him, staff, team. No ‘us’.

 

[hvillebill]

In reply to the ‘us against the world’ motivation, I don’t think the team has ever felt that true feeling since Kelly has been H.C. It has seemed it is always BK ‘him’ against the world and the team is just caught up in it but never truly experiencing the ‘us’.
It has always appeared as Him, staff, team. No ‘us’.

In all fairness, that is a real reach. On what are you basing that thought?

 

[wicker]

ND hasn't had "us vs world" approach in dog years. I've long thought most of the guys saw football as a means to an end. The attitude seems less so now however.

And when was the last time ND had a miracle comeback? UCLA in 06? Used to have one every couple of years

 

[theskibro]

K

ND hasn't had "us vs world" approach in dog years. I've long thought most of the guys saw football as a means to an end. The attitude seems less so now however.

And when was the last time ND had a miracle comeback? UCLA in 06? Used to have one every couple of years

elly flat out sux. He could not get a team motivated if there were a dozen Dunkin’ Donuts on the line

 

[HRC08]

Utah 2010. The bowl wins against Miami and LSU. At Oklahoma 2012. Last season against Miami.

Come on, 88. Enough is enough. We get th frustration as all of us want a title just as badly as you do. We get it!

Coming off of 4-8, I was in the “fire him” crowd but have seen improvements and like the new staff. I’d like to a 3-0 finish but I also see @Stanford and (potentially) bowl game against Urban and OSU will be a tall order. 2-1 would be acceptable as long as the games are clean. A 2nd blowout would be a set back.

 

[Kelso86]

K

elly flat out sux. He could not get a team motivated if there were a dozen Dunkin’ Donuts on the line

"Kelly flat out sux. He could not get a team motivated if there were a dozen Dunkin’ Donuts on the lin"

Not totally on Kelly -- if the players cannot get themselves up for this type of atmosphere -- that is on them as well. Watching them, they were totally intimidated in that stadium. As Tranquil said -- that was the loudest stadium he had ever played in. Plus, knowing the stakes of this game -- one would think that the players would be sky high themselves.

Kelly said he and the staff did not see this coming -- what they could not prepare for was HOW the players would respond in that environment -- they looked like they wanted NO PART of being there. Wimbush, after he threw his 1st INT -- was totally gone mentally, you could see it in his eyes and body language. The offensive line -- showed ZERO bit of energy. When it came down to 1-1 match-ups, they got their collective asses handed to them.

 

[justified1]

In all fairness, that is a real reach. On what are you basing that thought?

Well over the 8 years, the one constant has been?
Kelly sets himself apart from staff and players.

 

[nemeth#5]

Utah 2010. The bowl wins against Miami and LSU. At Oklahoma 2012. Last season against Miami.

Come on, 88. Enough is enough. We get th frustration as all of us want a title just as badly as you do. We get it!

Coming off of 4-8, I was in the “fire him” crowd but have seen improvements and like the new staff. I’d like to a 3-0 finish but I also see @Stanford and (potentially) bowl game against Urban and OSU will be a tall order. 2-1 would be acceptable as long as the games are clean. A 2nd blowout would be a set back.

I 2nd that.

You are grasping for straws here....IF ND would of beat Miami and lost to Stanford... you would of been saying the exact same thing...... forgetting that we just beat Miami.....

Also, remember we absolutely steamrolled U$C this year.... wasn't it like that largest defeat in that series in a while? That is impressive, especially considering they hype going into that game.

 

[Pennick44]

To all the pro/anti BK people...
This one question or statement says a lot.

Ask or answer one thing.

In his tenure here where is our one Odd defying win.

I'm NOT talking about what Vegas says and odds as in spread.

I am talking about that one game where it's us against the world mentality.

That one game we have no business winning but we play perfect and over achieve.

Now i ask you..pro and anti BK folks...

Where the hell is our win like that?

Just one?

In eight years there have been several opportunities.

You'd think that even on accident he'd win at least one of these.

This is the disheartening thing.

If he has never won one of these games at Notre Dame (or maybe ever) there is no way in hell that we can ever win a title with him. Now the playoffs are in full effect you truly have to earn that title.

He says his goal at Notre Dame is a championship...how about just winning an upset odd defying game.

Just one of them for **** sake.

Stop posting every inane thought that goes thru your vapid head
#flushtwice

 

[Buguit]

Brian Kelly is ofer against top ten teams in his long tenure at ND ..... zero .... nada .... O ... fer

Not one

 

[TOMMY_23]

Utah 2010. The bowl wins against Miami and LSU. At Oklahoma 2012. Last season against Miami.

Come on, 88. Enough is enough. We get th frustration as all of us want a title just as badly as you do. We get it!

Coming off of 4-8, I was in the “fire him” crowd but have seen improvements and like the new staff. I’d like to a 3-0 finish but I also see @Stanford and (potentially) bowl game against Urban and OSU will be a tall order. 2-1 would be acceptable as long as the games are clean. A 2nd blowout would be a set back.

Are you joking? Miami in the bowl game when they had an interim coach? Seriously? LOL.

 

[nemeth#5]

Brian Kelly is ofer against top ten teams in his long tenure at ND ..... zero .... nada .... O ... fer

Not one

Wrong
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2012/10/27/3565168/oklahoma-notre-dame-2012-results-score

 

[TOMMY_23]

When did the ND brass decide to become Michigan?

Ohio State got tired of losing to 8-3 M all the time so they gave John Cooper the boot. They’ve dominated college football ever since.

BK is John Cooper. Neither could or can win a truly big game or grab a monumental road win.

 

[TOMMY_23]

Wrong
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2012/10/27/3565168/oklahoma-notre-dame-2012-results-score

So, one game. 1-11 then. Awesome job coach Kelly!

 

[Irish_cajun]

I can tell you from Louisiana that no one in the south takes Notre Dame serious. The Miami game was a game where we could have made a statement, just giving you the perception of these idiots in SEC country. They all say we are still living off the past, just not true.

 

[NotreDame du Lac]

Us against the world is not a good thing. Under Kelly we've been favored in a lot of games. We beat ranked UM, OK, MSU, Stanford, USC, NC State, LSU, etc.

 

[tbonesays]

Us against the world is not a good thing. Under Kelly we've been favored in a lot of games. We beat ranked UM, OK, MSU, Stanford, USC, NC State, LSU, etc.

That is why I rate him as a top 20 coach not a top 5. Kelly can bat about .500 against the good teams but not the ones who are currently great (Bama, Ohio, Clemson).

 

[Buguit]

Wrong
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2012/10/27/3565168/oklahoma-notre-dame-2012-results-score

Wrong .... Oklahoma finished 15th

like every season since the beginning of time ... it matters where you finish

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_rankings

 

[88ND]

Stop posting every inane thought that goes thru your vapid head
#flushtwice

You still trying to figure out if BVG is the next Barry Alvarez?

The sheer fact that you were BVG's biggest supporter is all anyone needs to know about your football knowledge and evaluating skills.

You don't like what is posted, don't read it. If you want to engage in topics in an educated and professional manner..lets go.

Either engage in the discussion or ignore. If you want to continue to wallow in your land of BK and mediocre football and reminisce about days of BVG you can do that too.

I, unlike you, am not satisfied with mediocrity from the football program.

Perhaps someday you'll reach a little higher than average.

 

[88ND]

I can tell you from Louisiana that no one in the south takes Notre Dame serious. The Miami game was a game where we could have made a statement, just giving you the perception of these idiots in SEC country. They all say we are still living off the past, just not true.

Until we win those games and give the opposing team an ass whipping like in Saturday nights setting....they have a very valid point.

At some point you have to actually win one of those games.

 

[Pennick44]

You still trying to figure out if BVG is the next Barry Alvarez?

The sheer fact that you were BVG's biggest supporter is all anyone needs to know about your football knowledge and evaluating skills.

You don't like what is posted, don't read it. If you want to engage in topics in an educated and professional manner..lets go.

Either engage in the discussion or ignore. If you want to continue to wallow in your land of BK and mediocre football and reminisce about days of BVG you can do that too.

I, unlike you, am not satisfied with mediocrity from the football program.

Perhaps someday you'll reach a little higher than average.

You're a putz. This has been a great season and BK has engineered an amazing turnaround.
You don't know if the ball is pumped or stuffed!

 

[hvillebill]

Until we win those games and give the opposing team an ass whipping like in Saturday nights setting....they have a very valid point.

At some point you have to actually win one of those games.

Wouldn't you consider Southern Cal one of those ass whippings?

 

[88ND]

Utah 2010. The bowl wins against Miami and LSU. At Oklahoma 2012. Last season against Miami.

Come on, 88. Enough is enough. We get th frustration as all of us want a title just as badly as you do. We get it!

Coming off of 4-8, I was in the “fire him” crowd but have seen improvements and like the new staff. I’d like to a 3-0 finish but I also see @Stanford and (potentially) bowl game against Urban and OSU will be a tall order. 2-1 would be acceptable as long as the games are clean. A 2nd blowout would be a set back.

Then don't read it. It's that simple.

It's not about a title. I've not one time pissed and moaned about a title.

I was asked what would it take to get back on the pro Kelly side...well winning a game in a very tough environment. Rising to the occasion.

We didn't just lose. We got embarrassed.

All I wanted is the embarrassing football to cease.

Titles will take care of itself but not until we can knowingly walk into any venue and compete. That's the key word.

That's all I want.

8 years and counting of deer in headlights.

When is enough is enough?

At what point is it time to turn a page for you?

 

[tbonesays]

Wrong .... Oklahoma finished 15th

like every season since the beginning of time ... it matters where you finish

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_rankings

So we won't discount his win over #3 Sparty?

 

[wicker]

I can tell you from Louisiana that no one in the south takes Notre Dame serious. The Miami game was a game where we could have made a statement, just giving you the perception of these idiots in SEC country. They all say we are still living off the past, just not true.

Southerners accusing someone of living in the past. That's pretty dadgum rich

 

[88ND]

Wouldn't you consider Southern Cal one of those ass whippings?

No.

Would you consider UM of three years ago 38-0 at home one of those?

I wouldn't.

I'm talking about a road game, prime time, with a ton at stake for both schools.

That's the victory that has eluded us.
@Clemson two years ago..
@FSU three years ago..
@Stanford two years ago...

We are right there but we just can't get over that hump.

Please don't point to the OU game in 12.

That was the most one dimensional OU team since Switzer running the ball 29 of 30 plays.

BK has had many opportunities including big bowl games.

The results are always the same.

Saturday night was a little different because that gave me had no chance.

What's weird is we can compete with these teams. Minus the Miami drubbing those other games were all close.

Clemson that year could have won the title.

FSU that year was a playoff team.

For whatever reason BK is just close but just not close enough apparently.

 

[hvillebill]

Until we win those games and give the opposing team an ass whipping like in Saturday nights setting....they have a very valid point.

At some point you have to actually win one of those games.

No.

Would you consider UM of three years ago 38-0 at home one of those?

I wouldn't.

I'm talking about a road game, prime time, with a ton at stake for both schools.

That's the victory that has eluded us.
@Clemson two years ago..
@FSU three years ago..
@Stanford two years ago...

We are right there but we just can't get over that hump.

Please don't point to the OU game in 12.

That was the most one dimensional OU team since Switzer running the ball 29 of 30 plays.

BK has had many opportunities including big bowl games.

The results are always the same.

Saturday night was a little different because that gave me had no chance.

What's weird is we can compete with these teams. Minus the Miami drubbing those other games were all close.

Clemson that year could have won the title.

FSU that year was a playoff team.

For whatever reason BK is just close but just not close enough apparently.

The 38-0 game was against a Michigan team that finished 3-9. The win against Southern Cal was against the 13th-ranked team at the time and who is now the 12th-ranked team.

I certainly realize that was at home, but to act as though it meant nothing is just fueling your anger, which is more than apparent.

You need to chill out just a little.

 

[twalsh]

In reply to the ‘us against the world’ motivation, I don’t think the team has ever felt that true feeling since Kelly has been H.C. It has seemed it is always BK ‘him’ against the world and the team is just caught up in it but never truly experiencing the ‘us’.
It has always appeared as Him, staff, team. No ‘us’.

Calling BS on this.

 

[twalsh]

I can tell you from Louisiana that no one in the south takes Notre Dame serious. The Miami game was a game where we could have made a statement, just giving you the perception of these idiots in SEC country. They all say we are still living off the past, just not true.

Generalizing, but Georgians don’t think that.

 

[wicker]

Wrong .... Oklahoma finished 15th

like every season since the beginning of time ... it matters where you finish

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_rankings

One reason they ended 15th is that they lost to Notre Dame when they were 8th

 

[Buguit]

One reason they ended 15th is that they lost to Notre Dame when they were 8th

Yes ... and not the only one

 

[88ND]

The 38-0 game was against a Michigan team that finished 3-9. The win against Southern Cal was against the 13th-ranked team at the time and who is now the 12th-ranked team.

I certainly realize that was at home, but to act as though it meant nothing is just fueling your anger, which is more than apparent.

You need to chill out just a little.

At the time that UM win felt big didn't it. Then we find out Michigan had nothing that year but we didn't know that at the time.

I'm not discounting the USC win. That was wonderful...however it's not even close to being on the same level as the games I mentioned earlier nor Saturday night nor the other several examples that we lost over the years. They aren't even close.

BK has had his chances. Many of them
@FSU
@Clemson
@Stanford
Big bowl games
Something like 2-10 against the top 10
The numbers speak for themselves.

Now you keep avoiding my question to you...

at what point do you say enough is enough. There is no right answer here just your answer but I'm curious of it. You want to act like Satuday night is some freak thing uner BK so I just want to know at what point are you ready to turn a page in this chapter and what would it take for that to happen? Everyone asks me things on here all the time and I have no problem answering them with a straight forward answer,,,,so I will wait for your response on what straw will break the camels back in your mind.

 

[TOMMY_23]

So we won't discount his win over #3 Sparty?

In 2013 MSU was struggling on offense in September. They were playing Maxwell a lot. By the end of the year they found their QB in Cook.

Congrats to Kelly in his domination of MSU in his career. It’s the only thing he can hold his head up high on in my opinion. But that was an uggggly win versus them in 2013.

 

[iwish]

To all the pro/anti BK people...
This one question or statement says a lot.

Ask or answer one thing.

In his tenure here where is our one Odd defying win.

I'm NOT talking about what Vegas says and odds as in spread.

I am talking about that one game where it's us against the world mentality.

That one game we have no business winning but we play perfect and over achieve.

Now i ask you..pro and anti BK folks...

Where the hell is our win like that?

Just one?

In eight years there have been several opportunities.

You'd think that even on accident he'd win at least one of these.

This is the disheartening thing.

If he has never won one of these games at Notre Dame (or maybe ever) there is no way in hell that we can ever win a title with him. Now the playoffs are in full effect you truly have to earn that title.

He says his goal at Notre Dame is a championship...how about just winning an upset odd defying game.

Just one of them for **** sake.

Seriously, enough is enough with you and your constant bitch8 g about BK. You’ve stated your opinion....repeatedly.....over and over....the same sh@t.....we get it. You need a hug from someone.....

And to quote yourself in your last post here: “at what point do you say enough is enough”

 

[88ND]

Seriously, enough is enough with you and your constant bitch8 g about BK. You’ve stated your opinion....repeatedly.....over and over....the same sh@t.....we get it. You need a hug from someone.....

And to quote yourself in your last post here: “at what point do you say enough is enough”

For some reason you apparently can't help yourself from clicking.

Moreover you conveniently avoid the question I asked you.

You complain about all the bitching about BK...ok...
But I asked you a simple question. At what point have YOU had enough? I mean obviously that time has not yet reached but what's it take to get you to turn the page on this chapter called Brian Kelly. Certainly there has to be a threshold, no?

I've clearly stated what I'd like to see from Brian Kelly. All eight years of it.

And you're ready for a new coach when?

 

[tbonesays]

In 2013 MSU was struggling on offense in September. They were playing Maxwell a lot. By the end of the year they found their QB in Cook.

Congrats to Kelly in his domination of MSU in his career. It’s the only thing he can hold his head up high on in my opinion. But that was an uggggly win versus them in 2013.

I'd say Weis righted the ship against Sparty and Kelly did the same with SC.

 

[ndfi65]

You're a putz. This has been a great season and BK has engineered an amazing turnaround.
You don't know if the ball is pumped or stuffed!

fyi - 8-2 with two games left and bowl game is hardly great. Even if ND wins its last two and wins a bowl game 11-2 would be a very good year, not great. Oh but I forgot, you like mediocrity so 8-5 or 9-4 would be a great year. More to come if bk stays in charge.

 

[hvillebill]

fyi - 8-2 with two games left and bowl game is hardly great. Even if ND wins its last two and wins a bowl game 11-2 would be a very good year, not great. Oh but I forgot, you like mediocrity so 8-5 or 9-4 would be a great year. More to come if bk stays in charge.

So in other words, your expectations must be to get to the CFP every year. Sure that's the goal, but that isn't realistic unless you're Alabama.

Tell us what coach is out there that is willing to come to Notre Dame that could accomplish that?