Brian Kelly was right.....

[football1irish]

DeShone Kizer wasn't ready for the NFL yet and would have fallen to the 6th round of the Canadian Football league draft with one more year of Brian Kelly's "coaching".

Fortunately DeShone has a good support structure/family who realized he needed to get away from the QB destroyer and move on to the NFL ASAP.

Just named the starter and will probably be the NFL Rookie of the Year with his incredible skill set and with a great offensive head coach. Cleveland got a steal! Good for DeShone!

 

[South Bender]

Hope he does GREAT this season, but.......

Let's wait to see how he does against NFL starters and veterans before we anoint him ROTY.

Seriously, he's been playing against preseason players trying to make rosters.
He's going to be playing against a whole different level of freak athletes once the regular season starts.

But hey, you can base your hatred of Kelly on whatever you wish.

 

[Kelso86]

DeShone Kizer wasn't ready for the NFL yet and would have fallen to the 6th round of the Canadian Football league draft with one more year of Brian Kelly's "coaching".

Fortunately DeShone he has a good support structure/family who realized he needed to get away from the QB destroyer and move on to the NFL ASAP.

Just named the starter and will probably be the NFL Rookie of the Year with his incredible skill set and with a great offensive head coach. Cleveland got a steal! Good for DeShone!

Kizer has a good skill set, and yes, he started a pre-season game and played decent to good. BUT, he has not seen a real game plan yet against a very good defense. DC's will be lining up to confuse him and rattle him. Hopefully, the Browns are smart enough to not have him try and win game, but not lose them either. How they protect him will go a long way in determining his rookie season. As far a ROTY -- let's hope he is standing tall at year's end!

 

[thehellyousay]

The Browns are the great QB destroyers - Kelly has an excellent track record with coaching up QBs (see Tony Pike, Zach Collaros,Tommy Rees)...

 

[Howard Hall 74]

The Browns are the great QB destroyers - Kelly has an excellent track record with coaching up QBs (see Tony Pike, Zach Collaros,Tommy Rees)...

And all went on to become NFL greats. Oops, that's right, none were drafted.

 

[NDSMC78]

And all went on to become NFL greats. Oops, that's right, none were drafted.

This dimwitted non sequitur in a thread concerning DeShone Kizer, who was drafted in the second round in this year's draft and who has won an NFL starting job.

 

[Howard Hall 74]

This dimwitted non sequitur in a thread concerning DeShone Kizer, who was drafted in the second round in this year's draft and who has won an NFL starting job.

Hey dimwit, St. Mary's boy, the conversation is about the OTHER QB's Kelly has had and succeeded to diminish. Forgot, Golson, should have been added, with Zaire and god knows who else he touched.

 

[NDSMC78]

Hey dimwit, St. Mary's boy, the conversation is about the OTHER QB's Kelly has had and succeeded to diminish. Forgot, Golson, should have been added, with Zaire and god knows who else he touched.

It just kills you to say something good about ND, doesn't it? Every time you post, you look more and more demented.

 

[echowaker]

Hey dimwit, St. Mary's boy, the conversation is about the OTHER QB's Kelly has had and succeeded to diminish. Forgot, Golson, should have been added, with Zaire and god knows who else he touched.

So if kizer goes on to NFL stardom will you say Kelly did a better job with him then the other guy did who had NFL busts in Quinn and Clausen ?

 

[thehellyousay]

And all went on to become NFL greats. Oops, that's right, none were drafted.

Tony Pike was a backup on his high school team, and a 4th stringer at UC before Kelly - ended up getting Heisman consideration... Collaros was damn good college QB, but not NFL-talented - and Rees; god bless him, he was a gamer, but I think it's safe to say Kelly got the most out of a guy with a pop-gun arm and no speed or mobility, especially in a spread offense...

and did I miss the part where Golson went to FSU and set the world on fire? Malik got hurt and sat behind Kizer, and Wimbush was waiting in the wings - he looked pretty good to me until he got hurt...

so please tell me which of those guys have NFL talent that wasted away?

 

[NDSMC78]

Tony Pike was a backup on his high school team, and a 4th stringer at UC before Kelly - ended up getting Heisman consideration... Collaros was damn good college QB, but not NFL-talented - and Rees; god bless him, he was a gamer, but I think it's safe to say Kelly got the most out of a guy with a pop-gun arm and no speed or mobility, especially in a spread offense...

and did I miss the part where Golson went to FSU and set the world on fire? Malik got hurt and sat behind Kizer, and Wimbush was waiting in the wings - he looked pretty good to me until he got hurt...

so please tell me which of those guys have NFL talent that wasted away?

The poster at issue doesn't care about any of that. His only reason for being here is to take potshots at ND whenever possible.

 

[thehellyousay]

The poster at issue doesn't care about any of that. His only reason for being here is to take potshots at ND whenever possible.

I know - but I do think people think Kelly is a bad QB coach, and I think his strong suit IS coaching up players... he has other flaws if you really want to take a legit shot at him...

 

[twalsh]

And all went on to become NFL greats. Oops, that's right, none were drafted.

So you are criticizing Kelly for the guys who were never drafted by the NFL, and you are criticizing Kelly for the guy who was taken in the 2nd round by the NFL? I sense a theme here.

 

[stu4don]

OP following your logic: Guess that means Holz was a shite coach. He didn't put anyone of merit in the NFL and underdeveloped 5* "talent" like Powlus.

ND's NFL talent has been missing at QB since Montana (best ever) and Theisman.

Career records as starters and passer ratings were as follows: Lisch (0-1, 25.1); Kiel (0-3, 75.4); Beuerlein (47-55, 80.3); Mirer (24-44, 63.5); Jackson (0-1, 46.4); Quinn (4-16, 64.4), and Clausen (1-13, 61.9). Holtz guys in bold - Jeez he only had two drafted in all of those years.

I believe Kizer is our best chance since Montana. And I believe Kelly did a great job with him. Especially in 2015. In 2016 Kizer was just asked to do too damn much -- BVG's defense sucked and we had no receivers with experience, and a O-line with a bunch of new guys.

 

[TOMMY_23]

The Browns are the great QB destroyers - Kelly has an excellent track record with coaching up QBs (see Tony Pike, Zach Collaros,Tommy Rees)...

LOL!

Sarcasm????

 

[football1irish]

I still can't figure out how Kizer wasn't good enough to solely earn the QB job before the Texas game last year. Then later after another full season he is still not considered a "finished product" by this same superior talent evaluator also known as Brian Kelly.

However players like Joe Schmidt could do no wrong in Coach Kelly's eyes in-spite of abysmal weekly performances and a mega talent like Nyles Morgan glued to the bench.

Now this unfinished product who is 6'4, 235 lbs, mobile and has one of the league's strongest arms has shined in the preseason. Further he has Brown fans and the NFL in general buzzing and has now been named the starter for the season after only three preseason games.

Either Hue Jackson is a complete idiot or perhaps Brian Kelly is for seeing the world completely differently.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...deshone-kizer-but-hes-not-a-finished-product/

 

[thehellyousay]

LOL!

Sarcasm????

you'll have to explain the LOL to me - was he supposed to turn those guys into Tom Brady? he got about as much out of those guys as you could possibly hope...

 

[echowaker]

you'll have to explain the LOL to me - was he supposed to turn those guys into Tom Brady? he got about as much out of those guys as you could possibly hope...

What do you expect from a guy who doesn't t understand the profession or the game ?

 

[stu4don]

I still can't figure out how Kizer wasn't good enough to solely earn the QB job before the Texas game last year. Then later after another full season he is still not considered a "finished product" by this same superior talent evaluator also known as Brian Kelly.

However players like Joe Schmidt could do no wrong in Coach Kelly's eyes in-spite of abysmal weekly performances and a mega talent like Nyles Morgan glued to the bench.

Now this unfinished product who is 6'4, 235 lbs, mobile and has one of the league's strongest arms has shined in the preseason. Further he has Brown fans and the NFL in general buzzing and has now been named the starter for the season after only three preseason games.

Either Hue Jackson is a complete idiot or perhaps Brian Kelly is for seeing the world completely differently.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...deshone-kizer-but-hes-not-a-finished-product/

Pete Carroll said the same about Mark Sanchez -- he needs another year. I agree with the others here that Kizer is going to take his lumps but Hue Jackson doesn't really have a Tom Brady in front of him. The other guys have been very underwhelming and Kizer has the size and the arm if not all of the skills yet.

Now -- do you even watch ND Football? A class kid, a team leader and solid talent -- Malik Zaire (check out his Texas highlights before the injury) deserved to get his shot. In the end Kizer proved to be the more talented player but I give Kelly personal kudos for giving Malik his shot. In the end he just isn't as good (or as NFL ready, size wise) as Kizer.

I actually think Kizer could have used another year with Kelly and now Long to work on his short passes -- he never had Golson or Clausen's accuracy on those throws. That said he is a gamer who is big and has a big arm on the long throws.

I'm not sure what is up your ass? Kelly has done a pretty good job developing all of his QBs since his arrival -- Rees and a Freshman Golson had us undefeated and in the natty?! Kizer as a RS FReshman-- when he had a team around him -- got us to 10-3 and that included a bullshit call that cost us the Clemson game and BVG's awful defensive plan vs. Stanford. The guy who should have stayed another year is Clausen. Although he was never a runner he could make all of the throws that Tommy couldn't. It would have been interesting to see him in Kelly's offense.

 

[thehellyousay]

What do you expect from a guy who doesn't t understand the profession or the game ?

anyone who thinks any of those guys is nfl caliber doesn't understand the game...

 

[DougsDad]

DeShone Kizer wasn't ready for the NFL yet and would have fallen to the 6th round of the Canadian Football league draft with one more year of Brian Kelly's "coaching".

Fortunately DeShone has a good support structure/family who realized he needed to get away from the QB destroyer and move on to the NFL ASAP.

Just named the starter and will probably be the NFL Rookie of the Year with his incredible skill set and with a great offensive head coach. Cleveland got a steal! Good for DeShone!

The reality is how he will do late in the 4th quarter with the game on the line. I don't put that on Kelly.

 

[SwlaDukie]

Yeah, I think if Jimmy Clausen and Golden Tate would have came back for their senior years, ND would have been 10-1 in Kelly's first year. Clausen and Tate would both went first round in the draft. That offense would have virtually unstoppable. Not to mention trying to sell success to recruits with bad losses to Tulsa and Navy has to be difficult. If Clausen was the QB; ND would have scored 50 on both of those teams easily.