The one credible team on the schedule Kelly lost to this year
Brian Kelly lost 6 games the last 4 years (Freeman 4 year predictions?)
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You must be related to Kelly, only reason you are defending Kelly which such vigor. The goal of the ND program is to win a championship. It took him 12 years to restore what others could do in 3. He's a good coach, but he's far from great. We'll see when he gets run out of LSU in 4-5 years for 3+ losses a season. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Kelly lost 14 in his first four years, 30 in his first seven. He also vacated 20 wins. That won’t happen with Freeman. No coach at ND will ever again be given that much rope.
AP had ND 2012, 2018, 2020 and 2021 !
At the end of the regular season in 2021 ND was # 5, then MF blew that ranking, so don’t hold MF’s failure against Kelly.
Here are the teams that have been ranked in the CFP polls the most, per official CFP poll data.
| TEAM | TIMES RANKED IN CFP |
|---|---|
Alabama | 42 |
Clemson | 42 |
Ohio State | 42 |
Oklahoma | 40 |
LSU | 33 |
Notre Dame | 32 |
Georgia | 30 |
Utah | 30 |
😂 😂😂😂😂😂 Kelly would have had another WTF moment vs OKS. eEven though the loss was disappointing, it was actually refreshing watching a competitive ND in a NY6 bowl game for the first time in a long time. If Kelly was coaching that game, more than likely I'd be turning that game off by the middle of the 3rd Qtr, as i had in most big games during Kelly's tenure.AP had ND 2012, 2018, 2020 and 2021 !
At the end of the regular season in 2021 ND was # 5, then MF blew that ranking, so don’t hold MF’s failure against Kelly.
Here are the teams that have been ranked in the CFP polls the most, per official CFP poll data.
CFP
TEAM TIMES RANKED IN CFP
Alabama42
Clemson42
Ohio State42
Oklahoma40
LSU33
Notre Dame32
Georgia30
Utah30
Apparently you have pull, So tell us why didn't you have Kelly or Jack's ear in an attempt to keep him at ND?
You are like the guy we all know. You are the guy who breaks up with his wife or girlfriend, and, from that point on, cannot have a conversation without criticizing the ex-wife or ex-girlfriend, whether or not it has anything to do with the conversation. It is beyond tiresome.
You keep reaching, I'll give you that, you always keep reaching. Grabbing for them straws.....
Doesn't matter how much I basically psychoanalyze to your face about your transparent hater motivations, you are unfaltering. This is the hill that you're going to die on...
8-4 to 10-2 is the expectation I have, more based on increasing schedule difficulty then team being better or worse. The single most important thing bout next year is that by the END of the year Buchner shows he is THE man.
I'll take growing pain losses of they result in long term gain
If you knew what you were talking about, which you don’t, there was NO ATTEMPT to keep Kelly at ND.
Kelly made his final decision to leave ND prior to informing Swarbrick and Kelly wasn’t interested in staying for any reason, ergo there was NO discussion about money or staying.
IMHO Kelly’s wins and losses speaks to his record and the method and timing of his resignation speaks to his character.
Contrary to your opinion, I’m not a Kelly fan, but I’m not in denial about his record and where ND started with him and where ND ended with him.
Now we have to hope that the new coach can perform to Kelly’s level or better.
We all knew that about a kelly. There was zero opportunity for Jack to do anything to keep him around. I thought maybe you had some inside info, but clearly you're a pretender.
You’re the moron who asked why I didn’t have Kelly’s or Jack’s ear in an attempt to keep Kelly at ND and then you compounded your stupidity by stating that I didn’t have Jack’s or Kelly’s ear.
It‘s sad, but there is no cure for stupidity !
ND under Brian Kelly also went 8-5, 8-5, 12-1, 9-4, 8-5, 10-3, 4-8 in his first seven seasons at Notre Dame. Not so hot. Granted, Kelly left the program in a lot better shape than Weis did. But Kelly didn't improve the program a whole lot until 2017.
Kelly had to have the obvious disaster that was the 2016 season before he would make any fundamental improvements in his coaching staff and personal coaching style. I'm going to say that Freeman is more willing to adapt and find things that work than Kelly was, and less willing to deflect blame than Kelly is. Also, it's pretty clear that he will have better players and better assistants. As such, I'm predicting #2.
I think that I'm safe in saying that nobody who is a tool realizes it. Perhaps, for example, you're the biggest tool in the toolbox. Whether you are or not, I have no doubt that you're quite sure hat you are not. Just like any self-respecting tool would be.
I'm not saying that you are one, of course. I really have no idea. After all, only a tool would be utterly sure that someone else is a tool.
Oh, wait ...
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Disagree. In Weis's last three seasons, ND went 3-9, 7-6, and 6-6. Kelly's first six seasons were much better than those three years.
Whether the wins are vacated or not, Kelly is also Notre Dame's all-time losingest coach.
Reminds me of when every newspaper mention of Al Hunter, who in 1976 rushed for 1058 yards, was accompanied by "the only 1000-yard rusher in ND history." Didn't seem that impressive to me, in light of Tony Dorsett's 2150 in the same year (181 of those against Notre Dame).
Yea because the end of season polls matter more than the final rankings after the bowl games. You are such a tool writing the narrative to support your position. Just shows how dumb you really are..
That's fine. You say much better, I say not a whole lot better, and at least far from good enough. Different interpretations of the same data. Except, you're leaving out the 4-8 season, and leaving out Weis's first two seasons as well. I'm not.
Weis's record is .566, which is terrible. Kelly's first seven years is .656, which isn't a whole lot better IMO. Certainly not good enough to cut it if we're going for a NC.
Now, Kelly 2.0, on the other hand (2017-21), is .853, which was absolutely fine, right up there with the best of them, and definitely in the running for a NC. If Kelly had believed in himself, he probably would have won one before too much longer. But he decided that external factors were preventing him (his very worst habit), and moved on.
I hope he doesn't have a rough season at LSU and then find some different external factors to blame his lack of success on. "We're in the toughest division of the toughest conference in football, and we only lost five games. We're going to have to coach better, and find some better players." And now all his players and coaches are mad at him. That sort of thing drove some ND fans nuts, and will probably do the same with quite a few LSU fans if he tries it on again.
Kelly took a program in shambles and in his third year went undefeated in the regular season and played for the NC.
That’s one hell of an accomplishment !
That he engaged in HC discussions with the Philadelphia Eagles soured me on Kelly !
You keep forgetting that ND played against higher ranked teams in bowls, ergo they were supposed to lose according to the oddsmakers, which in turn dropped their ranking.
I may be dumb, but I’m still smarter than you !
It would have been a bigger one if he had won.
All that aside, though, he lacked consistency (well, he was pretty consistently able to put together an 8-5 season) until 2017. I was very impressed with the changes he put together after the 2016 disaster. It seemed to me that he was beginning to take the next step of ramping up recruiting to bring in elite talent when he up and quit. I credit Swarbrick for keeping things from falling apart. We'll see how Freeman works out. So far he lost the bowl game (oh well), he's doing a great job of putting a staff together, and 2023 could be our best recruiting year ever.
And Kelly couldn't win a single game against a higher ranked opponent in those bowl games. He didn't simply lose those games, he was thoroughly embarrassed.
You claim if he was coaching the bowl game this year ND would have beaten OKS. Can you explain to me how that is possible when he could not beat a UC team with far less talent than ND and OKS? I know lame excuse it was the players. Players mistakes are due to a lack of preparedness which ultimately is the HC's responsibility to have his team prepared.
Anyone with a brain can see the evidence and historical data points to ND losing the bowl game vs OKS by a greater margin than ND lost with Freeman. Just look at Kelly's record vs top 10 teams, it's atrocious.
AGAIN, HE COULDN'T BEAT UC, A NON P5 PROGRAM WITH FAR LESS TALENT THAN ND.
Please, go and look at the video of the game and THEN tell me who you think lost that game and WHY.
Thanks
Freeman lost it, with some help from Elston. Why was bad game management. Doesn't mean Kelly would have won it, but despite his record in NY6 and playoff games, I would like his chances better than Freeman's. (I like Freeman's chances against OSU in September better than I would like Kelly's, though.)
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So, I have only coached football t the high school level, and I wasn't head coach there. but even with that lack of expertise some of the posts here are just foolish. Kelly was an excellent coach. Match the restrictions on ND football with his record and it is fantastic. Also, for those of you who fault freeman for losing to Okie State, not every loss is due to the coach. Sometimes, other teams are simply better,
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I agree with all of that except the "restrictions on ND football" part. That's Kelly's line. Kelly is an excellent coach who didn't believe he could win it all at Notre Dame, and took the perception that that limitation was due to inherent qualities at Notre Dame rather than a self-imposed one.
I've never bought into that, and it's clear that Freeman doesn't either. We'll see how the 2023 recruiting class shakes out.
