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ND had 2 first round picks in the last six drafts!

Joe Alt in 2024 and Kyle Hamilton in 2022

Michigan had 8, PSU had 6, USC had 5

Amazing that we made it (and nearly won) the National Championship Game last year! Credit goes to Marcus, the coaches and... THE YOUTH OF THIS TEAM.

I see at least six first rounders on our current team: Love, (3 or 4 lineman depending on how long they stay at ND) Leonard, KVA, maybe even Bowen... and (God I sure hope...) a QB, FINALLY!

Marcus and his coaches are building something special at ND.
 
I was thinking last night as I watched the draft how ND had no first rounders and maybe no second rounders and yet ND played in 16 games last season. Go Irish.
 
Chase is not entitled to the benefit of the doubt. He has spent years here trashing anything and everything about ND. He has trashed the administration, the coaching staff, the players, and the recruiting. Anyone who follows the game even a little knows that some years a given school is going to have more players drafted just as a result of the law of averages, i.e., some years you are going to have more draft worthy juniors than seniors.
The real analysis should focus on what happens on the field. ND was 14-2 last year and went to the National Championship game last year. That is what is important.
 
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Given the high number of first rounders Michigan had they should have been better. The only real game they played was the Ohio State.
 
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Is Love going to be a 1st rounder? He's a great back, and he seems well cut out for the modern NFL game. But RBs rarely go real high anymore, and I don't know, I wouldn't count on that. I wonder who he compares best to. And I wonder how much higher Kyren would have gone, if they knew he was going to be such an effective NFL RB. Even though he totally looked like the type as a college player, and I was surprised he went as low as he did. More like 2nd or 3rd round. Kyren's success maybe could help Love's stock. Just being from the same good ND stock.
 
savvyandsassier said:
Is Love going to be a 1st rounder? He's a great back, and he seems well cut out for the modern NFL game. But RBs rarely go real high anymore, and I don't know, I wouldn't count on that. I wonder who he compares best to. And I wonder how much higher Kyren would have gone, if they knew he was going to be such an effective NFL RB. Even though he totally looked like the type as a college player, and I was surprised he went as low as he did. More like 2nd or 3rd round. Kyren's success maybe could help Love's stock. Just being from the same good ND stock.
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Watching last night they were talking about how guys like Saquon (who was a big reason the Eagles did what they did last year) and Derrick Henry have changed that narrative. Two RBs were chosen last night in the first round! Boise State's Ashton Jeanty and North Carolina's Omarion Hampton.

Love will have to stay healthy but he's Kyren 2.0 (and maybe better?) who would have gone round one now, given what he's done.
 
Notre Dame is the first team to reach the national championship without a first-round NFL Draft pick since Ohio State in 2014.
 
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Watching last night they were talking about how guys like Saquon (who was a big reason the Eagles did what they did last year) and Derrick Henry have changed that narrative. Two RBs were chosen last night in the first round! Boise State's Ashton Jeanty and North Carolina's Omarion Hampton.

Love will have to stay healthy but he's Kyren 2.0 (and maybe better?) who would have gone round one now, given what he's done.
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Maybe better? He is better now, imo.
 
stu4don said:
Notre Dame is the first team to reach the national championship without a first-round NFL Draft pick since Ohio State in 2014.
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yep. the collective quality of your talent on your 85 man roster is more important than who the head coach is. yet we all just ignore it and call it "good enough" with no one being held accountable on the part of Notre Dame for their indefinite subpar recruiting/85-man roster results.

ND can bring in a 20th ranked class and youll see the same posters here (and media people) spinning it into a positive.

I come on here using/citing credible 3rd party objective tools & resources: the expertise of the industry, cutting edge performance data/metrics to explain where ND stands in the hierarchy of college football and what needs to be done to bridge the gap and get endless hate for it. People still haven't figured out its not me that they hate but rather they hate someone calling out their delusion
 
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stu4don said:
Watching last night they were talking about how guys like Saquon (who was a big reason the Eagles did what they did last year) and Derrick Henry have changed that narrative. Two RBs were chosen last night in the first round! Boise State's Ashton Jeanty and North Carolina's Omarion Hampton.

Love will have to stay healthy but he's Kyren 2.0 (and maybe better?) who would have gone round one now, given what he's done.
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Way more talented than Kyren
 
chaseball said:
yep. the collective quality of your talent on your 85 man roster is more important than who the head coach is. yet we all just ignore it and call it "good enough" with no one being held accountable on the part of Notre Dame for their indefinite subpar recruiting/85-man roster results.

ND can bring in a 20th ranked class and youll see the same posters here (and media people) spinning it into a positive.

I come on here using/citing credible 3rd party objective tools & resources: the expertise of the industry, cutting edge performance data/metrics to explain where ND stands in the hierarchy of college football and what needs to be done to bridge the gap and get endless hate for it. People still haven't figured out its not me that they hate but rather they hate someone calling out their delusion
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F+ said they are 4. Even though their number 3 ranking was was just embarrassing. Your own ranking is telling you top 5
 
chaseball said:
yep. the collective quality of your talent on your 85 man roster is more important than who the head coach is. yet we all just ignore it and call it "good enough" with no one being held accountable on the part of Notre Dame for their indefinite subpar recruiting/85-man roster results.

ND can bring in a 20th ranked class and youll see the same posters here (and media people) spinning it into a positive.

I come on here using/citing credible 3rd party objective tools & resources: the expertise of the industry, cutting edge performance data/metrics to explain where ND stands in the hierarchy of college football and what needs to be done to bridge the gap and get endless hate for it. People still haven't figured out its not me that they hate but rather they hate someone calling out their delusion
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You have no credibility or respect from anyone on this board. That includes Patricia, which is embarrassing itself.
 
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You have no credibility or respect from anyone on this board. That includes Patricia, which is embarrassing itself.
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The fact that anyone actually responds to what is said always surprises me................................
 
stu4don said:
Notre Dame is the first team to reach the national championship without a first-round NFL Draft pick since Ohio State in 2014.
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That's a totally stupid stat. I mean it's to our credit, but there's a bunch of future NFL players on the team and in the program. And of course, If Love, Jagusah, Leonard Moore, Bryce Young, maybe Traore or anyone else ends up becoming a 1st rounder, well then. All I meant is to say is the obsession with 1st round draft picks specifically is overblown IMO. This was a super well coached team with all the intangibles, but there was tons of very tangible talent on the team as well. It's a myth that ND doesn't have 'talent'. It's not quite as UGA's or tOSU's level, but it's comparatively high.
 
chaseball said:
yep. the collective quality of your talent on your 85 man roster is more important than who the head coach is. yet we all just ignore it and call it "good enough" with no one being held accountable on the part of Notre Dame for their indefinite subpar recruiting/85-man roster results.

ND can bring in a 20th ranked class and youll see the same posters here (and media people) spinning it into a positive.

I come on here using/citing credible 3rd party objective tools & resources: the expertise of the industry, cutting edge performance data/metrics to explain where ND stands in the hierarchy of college football and what needs to be done to bridge the gap and get endless hate for it. People still haven't figured out its not me that they hate but rather they hate someone calling out their delusion
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you still have not figured out F+ is a joke
 
I think much too much crdence given to draft positons. With all the mistakes in choosing 1st rounders over the years, NFL scouts and personnel staff are poor at evaluating players. Similar to the all 5-star QBs that have not accomplished much in college.
 
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I think much too much crdence given to draft positons. With all the mistakes in choosing 1st rounders over the years, NFL scouts and personnel staff are poor at evaluating players. Similar to the all 5-star QBs that have not accomplished much in college.
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NFL GM’s and scouts are correct far more than they are wrong.

The sit on your couch critics only point out the blemishes.
 
chaseball said:
yep. the collective quality of your talent on your 85 man roster is more important than who the head coach is. yet we all just ignore it and call it "good enough" with no one being held accountable on the part of Notre Dame for their indefinite subpar recruiting/85-man roster results.

ND can bring in a 20th ranked class and youll see the same posters here (and media people) spinning it into a positive.

I come on here using/citing credible 3rd party objective tools & resources: the expertise of the industry, cutting edge performance data/metrics to explain where ND stands in the hierarchy of college football and what needs to be done to bridge the gap and get endless hate for it. People still haven't figured out its not me that they hate but rather they hate someone calling out their delusion
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You keep forgetting a very important element …………

ACADEMIC STANDARDS !

It’s one of the things that separates Notre Dame from the others !
 
I just saw BenMo react to getting picked. No idea where in the list he comes up in the NFL, but I wouldn't trade these guys for anyone in CFB.
 
sjb75 said:
NFL GM’s and scouts are correct far more than they are wrong.

The sit on your couch critics only point out the blemishes.
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They are about 50% drafting qbs in the first rd. Not very good at evaluating QB's
 
sjb75 said:
The fact that anyone actually responds to what is said always surprises me................................
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Yea what surprises me is that you feel inclined to respond in awe that people respond to chase…for years
 
sjb75 said:
NFL GM’s and scouts are correct far more than they are wrong.

The sit on your couch critics only point out the blemishes.
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Far more ? The process is far too subjective to make any claim. What is the criteria ? What is the threshold in determining whether a selection has proven to be a positive or a negative ?
 
Obviously computers will take over the drafting process in due course. Something AI is perfectly cut out for. After all there are proponents who swear they will become so powerful that they will be able to predict the future. Just like LLMs can predict the next word in a sentence. And that's why they can now pass the turing test with terrifying verisimilitude.

Then you can blame HAL 9000 for a busted draft pick.
 
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