Best LB on the field Saturday?
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Tell you what...just for you...to HELP you...I will dvr this game...then on Sunday I will go back over it with you at the time points in the game and point out to you exactly WTF I'm talking about with these players strengths and weaknesses. Deal?
here's where dodd is off base. I ABSOLUTELY guarantee that kizer had more than one option to call when he came to the line of scrimmage given the front Clemson presented. every single team I've ever been associated with both as a player or coach gives there QB options in that same circumstance. kizer did what he thought would work. it didn't.
joe is in position he's just not finishing. if you understood the nuances of playing middle linebacker in vangorders defense you'd understand why joe is in there.
guaranteed kizer had the option to change the play if he didn't like the front.
this post shows clearly that you don't understand the dynamic of an 85 scholarship football team.
comparing days technique to the back 7 is laughable and shows a clear lack of knowledge. go back to the library please !
you are going to evaluate play against a team that plays at a much lower talent level? try USC or Clemson or wait for Stanford?
I was prompted to review vids from Clemson and SC a/c out the weekly 'bench Joe' threads on TOS.
I started with no preconcieved notion.
lesser talented teams will not expose JS, but when ND faces SU, I anticipate the staf will make a personel change and that is because they too have seen it on the game films.
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This is still division 1. The subject here is playing proper or not. Your statement might be the dumbest I've heard yet. But I've watched those games you speak of....and again you have ZERO clue how the linebacker position is to be played.
bad is bad
I have refrained from calling you a dumb ass; so In suggest you say less and not prove it
Everyone watching the individual play noticed that it is not a case of 'want to' but a case of physical limitations.
The fans, the media, just everyone is mystified why a change has not been made.
I have refrained from calling you a dumb ass; so In suggest you say less and not prove it
Everyone watching the individual play noticed that it is not a case of 'want to' but a case of physical limitations.
The fans, the media, just everyone is mystified why a change has not been made.
Echo - it's clear the resident nit wit troll purse did not read Kelly's comments regarding that play . Kelly clearly stated he gave Kizer a pass and run option . As you accurately stated he chose the wrong option
Rather than focusing on the players mistakes made in the game the obsessive troll goes after one perceived play call mistake by Kelly hoping to gather support for his hatred of Brian Kelly . Notice he quotes talking heads rather than quote Kelly -- the mutt from CBS knows but Kelly is just full of shit in purse 25k's see troll mind .
The program is having a great season and the nit wit chooses to attack Kelly for a decision he didn't even make - troll
1st Q no impact at all; so far. Watch the play at 20:22
I think that is the type of play the fans are complaining about. Joe vs ball carrier and whiffs.
26:47 Joe misses on a tackle but carrier has to pivot and Day cleans up : he influenced the play
Qtr 1 over: continue later. Stop n start vid is time consuming.
I think that is the type of play the fans are complaining about. Joe vs ball carrier and whiffs.
26:47 Joe misses on a tackle but carrier has to pivot and Day cleans up : he influenced the play
Qtr 1 over: continue later. Stop n start vid is time consuming.
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20:22, he's fine there. He didn't whiff on him. He got blocked! He actually did well there. The issue was Onwualu not shifting over with the motion. The QB shouldn't have been able to cutback like that and he probably wouldn't have had Onwualu been lined up right.
26:37, he sort of whiffs on the tackle yes, but the QB cutting back is not what the offense wants in that situation and I don't fault him too much there. He did a good job of getting to where he was supposed to be though.
Its not really fair to judge Schmidt based on his performance against teams like GT and Navy. Saying "he didn't make an impact" is meaningless without context. Do you understand the various blocking schemes and formations that those styles of offense use and how they're defended by ND?
Otherwise, its difficult to evaluate. Can't just say "oh he didn't make an impact" if you don't know why.
Otherwise, its difficult to evaluate. Can't just say "oh he didn't make an impact" if you don't know why.
no at 20:22 there was no block
stop the vid n look
#60 was going to block from behind but joe went by ballcarrier/ ballcarrier just blew by Joe. slow it down
stop the vid n look
#60 was going to block from behind but joe went by ballcarrier/ ballcarrier just blew by Joe. slow it down
after 1st Q
Joe influenced 1 play
and was part of a pileup that the DL made a short yrdage stop on.
This is what I saw vs Clemson; except Clemson bounced him around more.
Joe influenced 1 play
and was part of a pileup that the DL made a short yrdage stop on.
This is what I saw vs Clemson; except Clemson bounced him around more.
So are you telling me he doesn't get blocked at all? He clearly gets blocked by that guy and you can see it on the next camera angle from behind the defense. He did what he was supposed in getting around the OL block and playing the QB. The QB is able to cutback on him because of the positioning of the guard and the fact that Onwualu didn't shift with the motion like he was supposed to.
I don't want to be mean, but its fairly meaningless to evaluate if you don't understand blocking schemes and run fits. If you understand those better, you can see the whole picture and be fair in your analysis. He did well on both of the plays you referenced.
I'm not saying he played perfect, but without providing why he didn't get in on a play, its not fair to judge his play. Simply by his alignment and assignment, he was not in a position where he could make a whole lot of plays on the first few drives.
no way Joe tackles that guy - he missed him before #60 was about to block him. I am looking at the still. You can say it influenced the play, but it was a good gainer.
James O was not all that great either; Jaylon missed an arm tackle too. After 7 slow mo Qtrs, all I can say is that the posters that were bringing this up weekly, that got me into this, they have a point.
As you see, it is a time consuming thing to look at play after play, then do it again. I expect the sample is pretty much what it will be.
James O was not all that great either; Jaylon missed an arm tackle too. After 7 slow mo Qtrs, all I can say is that the posters that were bringing this up weekly, that got me into this, they have a point.
As you see, it is a time consuming thing to look at play after play, then do it again. I expect the sample is pretty much what it will be.
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Exactly, don't even know why he was mentioned. But let's get serious, Jaylon by a mile.
IMO-------good LB's (or defenders) never seem to stay blocked........others never get off blocks. Good players make tackles....others miss. Good pass defenders are never fooled by trick plays, are never out of position, always make a play on the ball.......others get beat. Fool me once.......
BEAT temple...PLAYOFFS BABY!!!
BEAT temple...PLAYOFFS BABY!!!
here's the thing too. it wasn't necessarily the wrong call by kizer because it didn't work. Clemson had some say in the matter. sometimes the other guy just makes a better play. that's football. tip your hat and move on.
well said. joe is doing what he is supposed to do in the framework of the defense. he's rarely out of position or takes poor angles. he's just not finishing well. give the ball carrier a little credit too. when prosise has a great run is it because he's terrific or because the defenders were just lousy tacklers ?
that's all well and good if you know and understand what you are looking at. that is the much more pertinent question.
^Echo, understand, that is the key. This guy doesn't know anything about playing LB, and playing LB in our scheme. As Kellysheroes says, the guy is a nit wit. Doesn't he have any idea how stupid he sounds when he says "he put in the work" and "watched the vid". It's laughable!
espn makes viewing impossible....all commercials.
but Stanfords OL is very good; very physical and comparable to ND.
but Stanfords OL is very good; very physical and comparable to ND.
The defensive end was assigned to dive. That means that Schmidt needs to scrape over the top to play the quarterback. If he doesn't get around that block, then the quarterback runs right through that area for a good gain. Blame the coaches here and/or Onwualu...not Schmidt.
well, at this point, I think there is some basis for the criticisms, based on my viewing. Others can decide for themselves. Some will decide by starting with the conclusion and refuse to be objective some will review and agree or disagree.
Just stop. I've tried, you tried, there is no helping that person.
All he did was confirm his lack of knowledge on how to play linebacker.
And the answer is---MATAKEVICH!!! Without question. Though Joe did not play horrible......Jaylon needs to do MORE. Next!
jaylon smith had a nice game. the temple kid plays hard but struggles in space. watch him on kizers td run. he did a horrible job taking on latua. he's a good fundamentally sound player. limited physical skills but gets the most out of his ability. the scheme helps him a lot.
