Best LB on the field Saturday?
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CBS writer Dennis Dodd:
Let's get the handshakes out of the way, quick.
Good job, Clemson. You deserved it, that 24-22 win over No. 6 Notre Dame. The nation's fourth-longest home winning streak continues. Your quarterback, Deshaun Watson, is something special. You may have even announced yourself as a College Football Playoff contender.
But those aren't the first thoughts that come to mind after the Tigers almost suffered sudden death in Death Valley. Let's put it this way -- the latest attempt at Clemsoning was outdone only by Notre Dame stumbling.
Short of the goal line, that is. A valiant Irish rally was ended by a miscast play call on the two-point conversion -- asking DeShone Kizer to run the ball on a wet field -- to tie the game with seven seconds left.
We're talking to you, Brian Kelly. After your quarterback had shredded Clemson in the final minutes with his arm, you chose to use him as a dual threat runner with the game on the line. Kizer, a tall (6-foot-4), angular and heavy (230 pounds) signal caller went barreling into one of the best defenses in the country … when he had been beating them with his arm.
Moments after Kizer hit Torii Hunter Jr. with a picture-perfect fade pass to cut the Tigers' lead to two with seven seconds left, Clemson was on its heels. The Irish were three yards away from a tie in a game they had no business being in.
Clemson jumped out to a 14-3 lead. It led by 18 in the second half. The defense, combined with the rain, made Kizer and the Notre Dame all but inoperable on offense.
Give Clemson credit. It forced four Irish turnovers, all in the second half -- two in the final seven minutes. But when Notre Dame rallied, this was not Kizer's game to win -- much less tie -- with his legs.
The sophomore went 5-for-5 for 72 yards on the final two drives. Three yards away from a tie, Kelly called Kizer's (running) number.
Huh?
Kizer has done an inspirational job replacing the injured Malik Zaire. In his first game, he threw the winning touchdown with 12 seconds left Virginia. In this game he started slowly, then heated up.
Kizer threw a crippling interception inside his own 30 with 6:40 left. The Irish survived the turnover because of a missed field goal.
In the final 4 ½ minutes, Kizer led the Irish inside the Clemson 12 twice. The first attempt was undone by a Chris Brown fumble with less than two minutes to go. Given another chance, Kizer led the Irish on a 67-yard drive that took up 58 of the game's final 65 seconds. When Kizer hit Hunter, a tie was nine feet away.
But the same guy calling the plays that nearly resulted in an epic comeback, called a horrible one on the Irish's final offensive snap. Kelly called for his upright (and slow) quarterback to slice into the heart of the Clemson line.
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the above is an example of free speech, freedom of the press.
people (fans) can agree or disagree. Thatbis how discussion works.
No matter how many years one does something they are not made perfect by the passage of years!
Weis once converted Chris Stewart to DT and Travis Thomas to LB. Weis has SB rings! Posters questioned the moves at the time. Other posters said, well your not at practice yada yada... So in the end?
CBS writer Dennis Dodd:
Let's get the handshakes out of the way, quick.
Good job, Clemson. You deserved it, that 24-22 win over No. 6 Notre Dame. The nation's fourth-longest home winning streak continues. Your quarterback, Deshaun Watson, is something special. You may have even announced yourself as a College Football Playoff contender.
But those aren't the first thoughts that come to mind after the Tigers almost suffered sudden death in Death Valley. Let's put it this way -- the latest attempt at Clemsoning was outdone only by Notre Dame stumbling.
Short of the goal line, that is. A valiant Irish rally was ended by a miscast play call on the two-point conversion -- asking DeShone Kizer to run the ball on a wet field -- to tie the game with seven seconds left.
We're talking to you, Brian Kelly. After your quarterback had shredded Clemson in the final minutes with his arm, you chose to use him as a dual threat runner with the game on the line. Kizer, a tall (6-foot-4), angular and heavy (230 pounds) signal caller went barreling into one of the best defenses in the country … when he had been beating them with his arm.
Moments after Kizer hit Torii Hunter Jr. with a picture-perfect fade pass to cut the Tigers' lead to two with seven seconds left, Clemson was on its heels. The Irish were three yards away from a tie in a game they had no business being in.
Clemson jumped out to a 14-3 lead. It led by 18 in the second half. The defense, combined with the rain, made Kizer and the Notre Dame all but inoperable on offense.
Give Clemson credit. It forced four Irish turnovers, all in the second half -- two in the final seven minutes. But when Notre Dame rallied, this was not Kizer's game to win -- much less tie -- with his legs.
The sophomore went 5-for-5 for 72 yards on the final two drives. Three yards away from a tie, Kelly called Kizer's (running) number.
Huh?
Kizer has done an inspirational job replacing the injured Malik Zaire. In his first game, he threw the winning touchdown with 12 seconds left Virginia. In this game he started slowly, then heated up.
Kizer threw a crippling interception inside his own 30 with 6:40 left. The Irish survived the turnover because of a missed field goal.
In the final 4 ½ minutes, Kizer led the Irish inside the Clemson 12 twice. The first attempt was undone by a Chris Brown fumble with less than two minutes to go. Given another chance, Kizer led the Irish on a 67-yard drive that took up 58 of the game's final 65 seconds. When Kizer hit Hunter, a tie was nine feet away.
But the same guy calling the plays that nearly resulted in an epic comeback, called a horrible one on the Irish's final offensive snap. Kelly called for his upright (and slow) quarterback to slice into the heart of the Clemson line.
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the above is an example of free speech, freedom of the press.
people (fans) can agree or disagree. Thatbis how discussion works.
No matter how many years one does something they are not made perfect by the passage of years!
Weis once converted Chris Stewart to DT and Travis Thomas to LB. Weis has SB rings! Posters questioned the moves at the time. Other posters said, well your not at practice yada yada... So in the end?
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I totally disagree with ND88's take on Farley. While he may lack some speed he is well disciplined and a whole lot better than described by this guy who obviously does not know much about football. Niels Morgan will be excellent in time when his knowledge of the game takes over and blends together with fantastic physical skill.
Jaylon Smith may well be the best player on the field, not just the best linebacker. His ability to cover RB,s and others downfield from the LB position in remarkable and will make him a high NFL pick. Lot's of talent at ND.
Jaylon Smith may well be the best player on the field, not just the best linebacker. His ability to cover RB,s and others downfield from the LB position in remarkable and will make him a high NFL pick. Lot's of talent at ND.
Using a sarcastic genius is no different than him call dickhead. They are both condescending and malicious.
As far as your continued harp on Schmidt....I disagree. You going to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about? Really?
Who you going to put in place of Joe? Morgan? Grace?
Morgan is too out of control. Grace is very heavy footed. If you think Joe lacks lateral quickness Grace is even slower. In straight line sprint they both would beat Joe in a race. But playing inside backer you only need be quick in the box. Joe is quick enough. If your expectations were a little too high that is your fault. He is a good solid inside linebacker. He is not great by any stretch but he plays that position pretty darn text book.
Don't bring up tackling because they all suck at tackling minus Day.
Look, I believe in order to beat Stanford they are going to need on the field at once Jaylon, Schmidt, Grace, Morgan and even bring a safety up too.
Stanford uses such a combination of power running attack but from an array of formations. We must be able to play the run sideline to sideline against them.
Farley's speed was never brought up. Period. Look what I pointed out about Farley.
His pursuit angle is terrible. You absolutely can't have a safety of positions taking bad angles. When he doesn't take the bad angle he has a tendency to fish hook.
Again not what u can have from a safety.
Not looking for Grace. Morgan a much better option, hell even Coney is a better option. Lets get out of 2014 and thinking that Joe is the answer because the D fell apart last year when he got hurt. There were numerous injuries that led the D to stink. I agree with the poster that said compared Joe to Cam. Thats perfect except I think Cam was a little better than Joe. Pay attention to him on Sat and then tell me what a great job he did..........prob not gonna happen
If Morgan and/or Coney were better options, and they gave us the best chance to win, don't you think they'd be playing? In all seriousness, do you really think you know more than the coaches?
^so, be clear here, your contention, based on your knowledge of the game, your knowledge of the players and your analysis of the film, is that Morgan and/or Coney are the better option, and they give us the best chance to win. But our coaches just don't see this or don't want to see it. Do I have this correct? Is that your position?
I think Kelly and Van Gorder would be thrilled if Morgan et al were developed enough to challenge Schmidt for the ML position. I'm hoping for this as well, and would be thrilled if one of our young athletic talents emerged between now and the Stanford game. It think the only way that happens is if Morgan for example, starts seeing action starting this Saturday.
^So was my question to challenging for you? Seemed pretty straight forward to me
Who the hell is Dennis Dodd anyway? If he'd paid attention, it was a run/pass option on that play. I love these mouthpieces who don't know squat and render opinions without knowing the facts.
It was a pre-snap run pass option. Once the ball was snapped, it was a run all the way.
Dennis Dodd is a d-bag only capable of second guessing. Most people who are ignorant about the game tend to complain about things like playcalling (after the fact). Most people who know something about the game know the game comes down to execution. Poor execution ruins the best playcall and playcalling can be a major guessing game anyway.
If he wasn't such a tool, and not a simpleton who can only be critical of something after the fact, he would have possibly realized that ND scored a touchdown on the same play earlier in the game from about the same distance.
I can't stand weasels like that who only second guess and don't know anything.
Well you see....I don't live in the past. I'm the here and now. Morgan plays out of control.
But....how about this.....I've explained countless times why Joe is doing a decent job playing his position.
So before I say anything further about your opinion.....
Tell me why you think Joe is such a bad option. Now refrain from reading other posts.....I want to hear from specifically you about Joe.
See this what you do. You say Joe sucks. Or Joe is lousy....blah blah....but you say absolutely zero reason why you express such dismay toward Joe. Or are you just being trendy and blaming something to blame something. So without being malicious and sarcastic I'm giving you the opportunity to explain to all of us why you don't like Joe. Specifically.
I don't know how many fricking times I have to say it, Joe is SLOW to getting to the ball, when Joe does get to the ball he misses numerous tackles, Most of the time Joe doesn't get to the ball because he doesn't get off his blocks quick enough. I have nothing against the guy. I think he has done very well for himself as a walk on. I just think there are better options thats all
I guess you are slow at comprehending what I say. Yes there are better options than Joe. You are correct the coaches don't want to see it for whatever reason. Prob same reasons we had to watch Cam play for two years. Its my opinion and since it doesn't agree with yours than you come back with this BS of "do you know more than the coaches". Open your eyes and pay attention and maybe it will click in your head. It would be pretty sad if Joe is our best option....just saying.
CJP is at RB in '15. He is playing near AA level. He suddenly became a great RB over night, in his Sr. year.
hmmmm
But JS is the only option at ILB because the coaches are infallible.
hmmmm
But JS is the only option at ILB because the coaches are infallible.
The thought that you know more than the collective coaching staff is laughable at the very least. But if that's what you believe, than so be it.
What clicks in my head, is that your assertion is laughable. But as I said, if you believe it, in your simple mind, than so be it.
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Bueller - Bueller ??
re Schmidt missing a tackle - Fuller drops passes -- soooo using the logic of purse and his posse ..........
Bueller - Bueller .........
internet sages view the game through the prism of perfection because they have a searing insight into the game which is why they have been relegated to discussing football to a faceless nameless computer monitor screen
BTW if you think the nit wits your arguing with know the responsibilities of Schmidt as it relates to his communicating alignments for the defense you would be giving purse and his posse waaayy too much credit .
Die Hard -- you may want to ask the sages your debating with what the team record is with Schmidt on the field vs Morgan 14-2 vs 1-5 or something like that
Bueller - Bueller ??
re Schmidt missing a tackle - Fuller drops passes -- soooo using the logic of purse and his posse ..........
Bueller - Bueller .........
internet sages view the game through the prism of perfection because they have a searing insight into the game which is why they have been relegated to discussing football to a faceless nameless computer monitor screen
BTW if you think the nit wits your arguing with know the responsibilities of Schmidt as it relates to his communicating alignments for the defense you would be giving purse and his posse waaayy too much credit .
Ok. Just as I suspected. You have no clue how his position should be played.
Do you realize that of all the linebackers he takes the blocker on better than any other player we have. Do you want to know why he does this? He has to. It enables his other teammates free then to make the tackle. Whomever the lead blocker is , full back or guard, Joe reads instantly and takes him on. He goes and meets him in the at the point of attack. Takes that blocker out. This is EXACTLY what you need from your line backers. It just so happens most lead blockers are within the box so it's even more paramount your inside guys play this way.
Does Jaylon do this? Absolutely not. Jaylon waits until he is engaged instead of engaging. Yet nobody says boo about Jaylon. Jaylon is an incredible athlete. His closing speed is amazing. Does he bang heads immediately on the blocker? Nope. He waits. A BIG NO NO!! Joe does.
Grace does. Grace is very heavy footed though. Morgan does to a degree but he is way out of control.
I also clearly said repeatedly you can't bring up tackling because not one person is a text book tackler but Sheldon day. Not one.
So how about investigating why Sheldon day is larger than the entire back 7 yet he gets lower and wraps up behind the ball carriers knees. Which is perfect btw. Why can he get low on those tackles yet the entire back seven wants to tackle like Frankenstein?
hard to comprehend an argument thatvJS is better than Jaylon. 
I assume you have dementia or just refuse to watch the game tapes focusing on LB play.
In the SC game, getting swatted aside must be 'taking on the blocker' in your world.
I assume you have dementia or just refuse to watch the game tapes focusing on LB play.
In the SC game, getting swatted aside must be 'taking on the blocker' in your world.
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You're a douchebag, that's pretty clear. I am neither brother or Dad. I simply apply common sense to the subject matter. You oughta try some time. If you serious think you know more than the coaches, that's as laughable as it gets.
I'll run with my first assessment of you, and that's that your a dickhead, who doesn't know dick about football, ND Football, or ND period. Think what you want from your armchair view. I could give a shit. You know more than the coaches, I could hardly type that without laughing my ass off. But you keep "putting in the work" and send your suggestion to the coaches, I'm sure they will appreciate it.
hard to comprehend an argument thatvJS is better than Jaylon.
I assume you have dementia or just refuse to watch the game tapes focusing on LB play.
In the SC game, getting swatted aside must be 'taking on the bolocket' in your world.
What don't you get about the following statement --
Anyone who posts on a football message board 100 times a day is by definition a fool
I won't entertain you a second time. You have zero comprehension. None. I NEVER once said Joe was a better player or athlete than Jaylon. But playing inside the box Jaylon is a deer in headlights and Joe does what the inside backer is to do.hard to comprehend an argument thatvJS is better than Jaylon.
I assume you have dementia or just refuse to watch the game tapes focusing on LB play.
In the SC game, getting swatted aside must be 'taking on the blocker' in your world.
As far as your swatting example.....the other team is trying too, Einstein! Sometimes you get it done and sometimes the other guy wins that battle. It's football. Both teams are trying to do their assignment.
Back to that swatted reference.....Joe, again taking on the block..where was the clean up by his teammates? Oh that's right....let's put it all on Joe since that seems like the trendy thing to do. You have not a clue how to play linebacker at any level.
Dickhead alert. Knows more than our whole coaching staff .... Because he's watch the vid. Seriously, that what he says, he's watched the vid. To funny!
How does this validate your points? Why don't you try coming up with some specific examples or just agree to disagree?
