How does Zaire, as opposed to Kizer, change the formations, playcalls, defensive alignment, specifically?
You said that the turnovers, by others, were effected by Kizer. How?
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How does Zaire, as opposed to Kizer, change the formations, playcalls, defensive alignment, specifically?
You said that the turnovers, by others, were effected by Kizer. How?
I think a lot of running backs would have had success because the OL is so awesome. Not sure about QB's. Kizer made a lot of good plays.
There may be a token competition, but I don't see how Zaire wins the competition unless Kizer looks awful. Its not just that ND won games under Kizer, its that he looked like a pretty darn good QB.
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Stylistically, they're very different QBs
If you watch, we didn't run the same type of plays with Kizer that we did with Zaire, at least not with the same frequency
Zaire is clearly much more conifers me with the option, especially keeping the ball himself on the options and running between the tackles naturally. The reason that Templw slanted so eaciky against Prosise in the Kizer/Prosise option runs was this tendency...and then Kizer was able to hurt them for big gains on the outside
However if you look at Kizers option runs on the interior, he clearly struggled with them. We also were far less common to run the QB between the tackles out of 2-TE sets with Kizer, etc.
These types of differences in skills, on the formations they favor, and what they dictate to the defense greatly effect what's run....in this case it's especially true in the red zone (where the ND speed was no longer able to force safeties to stay deep)
These kinds of things MUST be considered when looking at the red zone efficiency and turnover rates under each QB
Kizer looked good at times, and bad at times. He made some truly poor decisions. However, he normally did a good job of bouncing back.
I would expect a lot more than a token competition.
I expect a competition that's 100% open for all of spring, summer, and at least half of fall camp.
I don't think Kizer will necessarily even enter the QB competition with an advantage (if Zaire is 100% healthy)
Kizer hasn't shown me more on the field than Zaire has, to make him the starter. He's just shown a little higher volume of a similar level of play
I would say that whoever is performing better with the team in practice, even if it's just a little better, is the initial 2016 starter
But both players will have a role in the 2016 offense, and both will play
LOL .... all I need to know ... we were 7-5 with him last year and he got benched at FSU but yeah we would have been better with him .... you are a riot little guy
hilarious .... I have gotten any smarter yet you are still wrong with everything you post about QB's .... did Kizer steal your girlfriend too?
Kizer is a nice kid but he's a turnover machine. Zaire, if he can stay healthy, is the best option. He hasn't committed a TO yet.
After all your assertions that he's a "game manager" you literally couldn't have been more wrong if you tried.
He's a high upside, high risk QB who has a tendency to be his own worst enemy when things don't go well.
But yes, a 5th year senior QB would have been better than starting a frosh for the first time ever in the middle of the season.
With more experience at QB early in the year we may not have struggled so much for the first 3 quarters of the Clemson game and coukd have left there with the W
But by all means, I'm glad you've seen "all you need to know"
We've already seen IIT how pathetic "what you know" is
Wait, tell me more about how Zaire and the offense did in the red zone against UVA
Did Fuller suck because he didn't catch every pass on the score? Or Prosise because he didn't carry the ball in every play there?
Zaire let the offense to a red zone TD against UVA and no amount of backtracking or insults will fix that stupid comment you unleashed on all of us
Everyone is dumber for having read your posts
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Thanks . Now I am convinced that Zaire will be the starter. and that is a great thing.
He still does have that potential, but he's a true frosh playing QB in a relatively complicated offense.
He has unreal talent and is a perfect fit for this system though.
With any luck we'll be able to get his red shirt back in 2016 and then he'll compete for the starting spot starting in 2017....with 3 years is eligibility, decent experience, and having had plenty of time to develop
As long as he shows a little patience, Wimbush has a BRIGHT future at ND
That's going too far.
Kizer had a great year, especially for a frosh.
Decision making, especially in the red zone, and turnovers were areas where he needs improvement.
But he certainly wasn't a "turnover machine" and it's only reasonable to expect continued improvement from him
you predicted how many Heisman's .... he wasn't a good QB .... you were completely wrong about him just like the rest of the Mob ... I was 100% right about him deal with it ... freaking hilarious .... you gonna stand up and boo Kizer next year too? I'd tell you to grow up but you know 5'4" is all you will ever be
as always you like to put words in people's mouths to try and make yourself look good .... you claim Zaire is the better Red Zone QB ... he struggled just as much ... play calling is the issue not the QB ... Zaire is a good QB ... Kizer is better ... end of story little fella ... as usual about QB's you are wrong
Lol
You weren't even close to right. I fact, you couldn't have been more comically wrong if you tried. There wasn't a single piece of his game that was "a game
Manager". He was always an elite talent that needed to mature
I love how you set this "me v. The world" scenario up in your mind. Call them "the mob" and then claim victory when you're so wrong it seems like you might actually have a mental limitation
Your like Socrates stupid twin...it's honestly impressive
Lol
That's not at all supported by the facts (7 red zone TOs v. 0)
But as usually you just make up random crap and toss it out there, going no one points out how insanely stupid what you just said really is
Both are good QBs, both have a lot of areas they'll need to improve on. Neither has come close to locking down the 2016 QB job, and barring injury there will almost certainly be an open QB competition this sporting, summer, and fall...which will benefit Notre Dame in several ways
You can keep trying to just claim victory with "end of story, sorry little fella"
But no matter how many pathetic personal attacks you try to come up with, your opinion remains just as weak and easily destroyed by simple facts
Howl fully you can grow up soon
(And starting some intelligent analysis wouldn't really hurt you either)
No I get it you were completely and utterly wrong about Golson so you are trying to make up for it now .... but you are wrong once again .... must be rough to be so little and consistently wrong all the time
So, when looking at Fuller, is he multi dimensional enough to be considered a high pick? I get he is fast, but college fast and NFL fast are two different things. Has he shown the versatility to be a 2/3 down receiver, or will he be a Heyward-Bey (with better hands) field stretcher? Just curious as to opinions.
If there isn't a QB competition then I hope we fire Kelly. We want competition!
IDK and don't care who wins that competition, but to say its already decided is not correct, in my opinion.
IDK and don't care who wins that competition, but to say its already decided is not correct, in my opinion.
It's great watching you try to back track from your completely made up BS on red zone scoring under Ziare
You managed to expose your complete and total lack of any understanding and your tendency to make sh*t up simultaneously
As always mh, your combo of being wrong and being stupid is hard to match
Correct
There will be a QB competition for this reason
Neither QB has come close to "locking down the pair on" give. Zaire's short tenure and Kizer's mistakes and losses.
An open QB competition is not into the obviously correct way to find the best QB for the team, but it keeps pushing both layers to improve, delays the timing of decision to keep them both on campus, and shows the rest of the team that we compete at every position and sets the tone for the team
It's obviously the right decision and what is going to happen....to anyone with any common sense or knowledge of these situations
LOL ... nope didn't backtrack at all ... you said Zaire was better in the redzone ... I pointed out he ran 12 plays in the red zone against Virginia with zero TD's ... play calling just as bad with him in there as with Kizer ....
your track record with QB's is lousy ... everyone here knows that ... go back to wherever you were while Golson was stinking up the joint last year and getting benched at FSU this year .... or stick around ... it is fun watching you be a complete idiot
LOLOLOL
It gets better every time you say it
You expose yourself as a total idiot literally every single time you post
Zaire led the offense to a Red-Zone TD against UVA.........end of discussion, you're an idiot
(I love how you try to obfuscate the truth by saying "Zaire didn't score".....in case anyone doubted your lack of intelligence or agenda)
I love watching the train wreck that is your posting history. Your understanding is sooooooooo pathetic, it actually serves as COMEDIC GOLD!!
kizer is CLEARLY the front runner heading into next season. to think otherwise is silly and short sighted. while the injury to zaire is unfortunate thats football. kizer has continued to improve as the season has progressed. there would be no question in my mind who would start.
Looks good. It hurts losing a player like Sheldon but I think the rotation between tillery, jones and cage is going to be a force. I think we will be fine at slot wr. St. brown sounds like he is going to be a stud so we could always have formations with hunter at slot. LB is the most concerning position. Hoping Morgan ends up being the stud we all hope he can be.
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