As long as BK stays out of the way....

[Zorich 88]

And let's the real coaches coach, ND should have a breakout season.

Mike Elko will have this defense firing on all cylinders. He knows how to make in game adjustments. His defense plays fast and aggressive.

Chip Long is the real deal. Kelly better let him run the show on offense. Kelly cannot make in game adjustments. I jumped off the Kelly wagon when he played both DK and MZ in the season opener. Even after DK got hot in the first half and MZ looked terrible, he still started MZ in the second half.

 

[TOMMY_23]

I've stated your headline in the past but his ego is too big for that to happen.

Even if he did let the assistant coaches do their thing I don't see a breakout year. He loves passing the ball way too much instead of using that NFL O-Line to dominate on the ground.

I think this year, with a much more difficult schedule, is going to resemble 2016. I don't see as many losses but pretty close. ND will close against the weak teams this year and go 7-5.

I don't see the defense being any good and they'll give up big points. There is no getting around the fact that ND has one of the worst DL's in major college football.

 

[perseverare]

Chip Long, may or may not prove to be a terrific OC; but so far he has worked for H.C.'s that had their offense established and were very much involved in those offenses.
This will be Long's first and best opportunity to put his stamp on an offense.
Those who refer to the 'Long offense', really have no idea what that is as yet, unless they refer to the offenses that his 2 prior bosses ran.

Z: As you mentioned he has a far greater chance of success if Kelly watches the games from his couch at home!

 

[TOMMY_23]

And let's the real coaches coach, ND should have a breakout season.

Even after DK got hot in the first half and MZ looked terrible, he still started MZ in the second half.

I'm still scratching my head on that one. IMHO he doesn't have the ability to coach at this level. No other major program wants him and the NFL laughed in his face.

 

[TOMMY_23]

Chip Long, may or may not prove to be a terrific OC; but so far he has worked for H.C.'s that had their offense established and were very much involved in those offenses.
This will be Long's first and best opportunity to put his stamp on an offense.
Those who refer to the 'Long offense', really have no idea what that is as yet, unless they refer to the offenses that his 2 prior bosses ran.

Z: As you mentioned he has a far greater chance of success if Kelly watches the games from his couch at home!

Its really just one boss and one offensive system. Mike Norvell is the mastermind of it. He had full control of that offense at ASU as O-Coordinator through 2015 and now HC at Memphis.

 

[NDAFArly]

There is no getting around the fact that ND has one of the worst DL's in major college football.

You lost me here.
I'm assuming you mean Power 5 conferences?

Tillery 4 Star (158 overall)
Daelin Hayes 4 Star (139 overall)
Andrew Trumbetti 4 Star (145 overall)
Julian Okwara 4 Star (308 overall)

Is that elite? No. Is it one of the worst? Not even close. It was just HORRIBBLY developed & coached by BVG.

Elko did so much more with so much less at WF. Go watch the WF games against Clemson, FSU, & the bowl game where they held Temple to like -30 rushing yards.

And he will need time, but ND has the talent.

 

[perseverare]

Its really just one boss and one offensive system. Mike Norvell is the mastermind of it. He had full control of that offense at ASU as O-Coordinator through 2015 and now HC at Memphis.

right: 2 jobs at 2 diff universities; same boss.

 

[deadirishpoet]

You lost me here.
I'm assuming you mean Power 5 conferences?

Tillery 4 Star (158 overall)
Daelin Hayes 4 Star (139 overall)
Andrew Trumbetti 4 Star (145 overall)
Julian Okwara 4 Star (308 overall)

Is that elite? No. Is it one of the worst? Not even close. It was just HORRIBBLY developed & coached by BVG.

Elko did so much more with so much less at WF. Go watch the WF games against Clemson, FSU, & the bowl game where they held Temple to like -30 rushing yards.

And he will need time, but ND has the talent.

You have to keep in mind FSU and Clemson we're watching Wake Forest come on the field and not Notre Dame..
Everyone brings their A-game against the Irish
Coach Elko will see you more intense opposition I believe

 

[Zorich 88]

If a coach can #1 Get everyone to buy into the system.

#2 get the unit to the play as ONE team. Something special will happen.

Elko is the type of coach that will get everyone to buy into his system. Players will love playing for him.

ND has enough on both sides of the ball to make a playoff run. There is talent all over the field at ND.

Just hold the clipboard and wear the headset Kelly. Just stay out the way.

 

[Duo]

If a coach can #1 Get everyone to buy into the system.

#2 get the unit to the play as ONE team. Something special will happen.

Elko is the type of coach that will get everyone to buy into his system. Players will love playing for him.

ND has enough on both sides of the ball to make a playoff run. There is talent all over the field at ND.

Just hold the clipboard and wear the headset Kelly. Just stay out the way.

Z..........

Re: "Just hold the clipboard and wear the headset Kelly. Just stay out the way."

If he was smart that is what he should do............but then. ehh. There is a pretty good chance the old ego will jump in there and battle with the new coaches. If that happens there is a good chance he will, shall we say muff things up. Best place for Kelly............in the booth, but good luck with that!

First game vs Temple won't be much more than a scrimmage. The first real game will be vs Georgia. Not until then will we begin to develop a feel for how the season is going to go.

 

[ndfi65]

Z: As you mentioned he has a far greater chance of success if Kelly watches the games from his couch at home

Oh hell yes

 

[ndfi65]

I'm still scratching my head on that one. IMHO he doesn't have the ability to coach at this level. No other major program wants him and the NFL laughed in his face.

Yep, true dat. I'm sure the wannabe coach echowalk and penn will disagree but they are both nitwit bk fans

 

[ndfi65]

You lost me here.
I'm assuming you mean Power 5 conferences?

Tillery 4 Star (158 overall)
Daelin Hayes 4 Star (139 overall)
Andrew Trumbetti 4 Star (145 overall)
Julian Okwara 4 Star (308 overall)

Is that elite? No. Is it one of the worst? Not even close. It was just HORRIBBLY developed & coached by BVG.

Elko did so much more with so much less at WF. Go watch the WF games against Clemson, FSU, & the bowl game where they held Temple to like -30 rushing yards.

And he will need time, but ND has the talent.

uhm newsflash, Trumbetti stinks. Hes a two star. No backups is the major problem.

 

[ndfi65]

Just hold the clipboard and wear the headset Kelly. Just stay out the way.

Absolutely, this is key. The problem is his ego will get in the way. It always does.

 

[Bodizephax]

I expect the irish to win every game this year. They are loaded with talented experienced upperclassmen and have a big chip on their shoulders after last years season. 12 and 0. Kelly has coached ND to a 12 and 0 record before with far less talent.

 

[Zorich 88]

I expect the irish to win every game this year. They are loaded with talented experienced upperclassmen and have a big chip on their shoulders after last years season. 12 and 0. Kelly has coached ND to a 12 and 0 record before with far less talent.

Bodi, are you just a ND fan or are you also a football fan? We know you love ND. However, I really question your football IQ. Kelly is one of the worst football coaches of any team in the top 25. I have never heard any player speak highly of him. I have never heard any player say thanks to coach Kelly. He is one of the worst in game coaches I have ever seen. Last year would have sealed his fate if Jack didn't already beg the board to throw tons of $$$$$$$ at him.

 

[NDAFArly]

Ugh... The stupidity in this thread is at full force.

Kelly was the hottest coach on the block in 2009. Had multiple offers. Led Cincinatti to 12-0. Led ND to 12-0 with an average team. In 2012 he was getting offers & money thrown at him. He wasn't "laughed at" by the NFL.

People should post less. A lot less. Seriously. You have no clue. Just stop.

 

[NDAFArly]

Bodi, are you just a ND fan or are you also a football fan? We know you love ND. However, I really question your football IQ. Kelly is one of the worst football coaches of any team in the top 25. I have never heard any player speak highly of him. I have never heard any player say thanks to coach Kelly. He is one of the worst in game coaches I have ever seen. Last year would have sealed his fate if Jack didn't already beg the board to throw tons of $$$$$$$ at him.

This is completely false.

Nick & Zac Martin.
Will Fuller.
Mike Golic Jr.
Ronnie Stanley
Cierre Wood
Tommy Rees
I'm just going to stop now. But many, many players have spoken highly of him.

Just stop posting silliness & walk away.

 

[NDAFArly]

You have to keep in mind FSU and Clemson we're watching Wake Forest come on the field and not Notre Dame..
Everyone brings their A-game against the Irish
Coach Elko will see you more intense opposition I believe

So in the 2nd half they were still unconvinced?
They thought they should still half-ass it?

 

[Bodizephax]

Bodi, are you just a ND fan or are you also a football fan? We know you love ND. However, I really question your football IQ. Kelly is one of the worst football coaches of any team in the top 25. I have never heard any player speak highly of him. I have never heard any player say thanks to coach Kelly. He is one of the worst in game coaches I have ever seen. Last year would have sealed his fate if Jack didn't already beg the board to throw tons of $$$$$$$ at him.

What happened last year? Last thing I remember the Irish were 10 and 1 and Kizer scored in the last seconds against Stanford to seal the last playoff birth. The Irish have a better offense now and BVG is gone.

 

[NDAFArly]

uhm newsflash, Trumbetti stinks. Hes a two star. No backups is the major problem.

No, he's officially a 4 Star?

 

[Pennick44]

Coach Kelly will have input in every facet of the game... as he should.

 

[tbonesays]

Its really just one boss and one offensive system. Mike Norvell is the mastermind of it. He had full control of that offense at ASU as O-Coordinator through 2015 and now HC at Memphis.

Todd Graham did something dumb which made me scratch his name from the wishlist. Wish I could remember what it was, but there's never a Saturday in the fall without a respected HC making a tactical blunder.

 

[Zorich 88]

Ugh... The stupidity in this thread is at full force.

Kelly was the hottest coach on the block in 2009. Had multiple offers. Led Cincinatti to 12-0. Led ND to 12-0 with an average team. In 2012 he was getting offers & money thrown at him. He wasn't "laughed at" by the NFL.

People should post less. A lot less. Seriously. You have no clue. Just stop.

You are the one that's clueless! Kelly has coached 7 full seasons at ND. You named one year out of that 7. What about the other 6 seasons. Losses to Tulsa, Navy, S. Florida, NC State. But to me the biggest issue is he has never won a big game while at ND. He has lost every major bowl game by a huge margin. You want to say the 2012 team was average? He recruited over half of that team.

 

[Zorich 88]

This is completely false.

Nick & Zac Martin.
Will Fuller.
Mike Golic Jr.
Ronnie Stanley
Cierre Wood
Tommy Rees
I'm just going to stop now. But many, many players have spoken highly of him.

Just stop posting silliness & walk away.

Show me where these players have spoken highly of Kelly!!!!

 

[Zorich 88]

What happened last year? Last thing I remember the Irish were 10 and 1 and Kizer scored in the last seconds against Stanford to seal the last playoff birth. The Irish have a better offense now and BVG is gone.

What in the world are you smoking???? 10-1 playoff spot. Your ridiculous

 

[Bodizephax]

What in the world are you smoking???? 10-1 playoff spot. Your ridiculous

I guess it went over your head. Sorry.

 

[NIN Irish]

You are the one that's clueless! Kelly has coached 7 full seasons at ND. You named one year out of that 7. What about the other 6 seasons. Losses to Tulsa, Navy, S. Florida, NC State. But to me the biggest issue is he has never won a big game while at ND. He has lost every major bowl game by a huge margin. You want to say the 2012 team was average? He recruited over half of that team.

Here's a few more horrible losses to the list. North Western and Duke.

 

[Pennick44]

Show me where these players have spoken highly of Kelly!!!!

Could care less if they like coach Kelly. You are clueless.

 

[HDK]

Kelly is nowhere near as bad as his detractors claim nor as good as his supporters believe. The most consistent thing about the guy is his inconsistency. He has shown that from the very beginning: 2010 was a train wreck of a season and suddenly he turned it around late, even beating USC for the first time in forever.

He coached well in 2012 until the NC game, but I don't really know if the game would have been different if God himself had coached our team. There was a promising start to 2014, but a combination of defensive injuries and Kelly's inexplicable allegiance to Golson (or his destructive coaching of Golson) eventually did us in. Then 2015 looked like it was going to be special, but again injuries just decimated the team, and unless you are deluded, you know ND is not four-deep anymore like we were 50 years ago. Again that year, the offensive coaching was pretty solid. By the time we lost to Stanford and Ohio State at the end of the year, we were a shell of a team.

So those are the good years. Then you counter with 2011, 2013, and last year, which was so bad that Kelly should have been left behind at NC State. So I'm thinking the team will surprise us this season, at least for the first half. There will be at least one game lost to coaching blunders. The injuries and academic suspensions will add up, and the detractors will be calling for his head and the supporters looking ahead to 2018.

 

[Bodizephax]

Kelly is nowhere near as bad as his detractors claim nor as good as his supporters believe. The most consistent thing about the guy is his inconsistency. He has shown that from the very beginning: 2010 was a train wreck of a season and suddenly he turned it around late, even beating USC for the first time in forever.

He coached well in 2012 until the NC game, but I don't really know if the game would have been different if God himself had coached our team. There was a promising start to 2014, but a combination of defensive injuries and Kelly's inexplicable allegiance to Golson (or his destructive coaching of Golson) eventually did us in. Then 2015 looked like it was going to be special, but again injuries just decimated the team, and unless you are deluded, you know ND is not four-deep anymore like we were 50 years ago. Again that year, the offensive coaching was pretty solid. By the time we lost to Stanford and Ohio State at the end of the year, we were a shell of a team.

So those are the good years. Then you counter with 2011, 2013, and last year, which was so bad that Kelly should have been left behind at NC State. So I'm thinking the team will surprise us this season, at least for the first half. There will be at least one game lost to coaching blunders. The injuries and academic suspensions will add up, and the detractors will be calling for his head and the supporters looking ahead to 2018.

We were beating Stanford with seconds left at PaloAlto. Not exactly a shell of a team. And went toe to toe with Clemson at death valley.

 

[deadirishpoet]

So in the 2nd half they were still unconvinced?
They thought they should still half-ass it?

The Clemson game was out of reach by the end of the half. The defense must of forgotten to show up for Louisville, and NC State, but they gave FSU a game

 

[tbonesays]

We were beating Stanford with seconds left at PaloAlto. Not exactly a shell of a team. And went toe to toe with Clemson at death valley.

BK plays to the competition against Tier 1B {LSU, FSU, LSJU, MSU} through Tier3 {Temple, Tulsa, USF}. He's nothing if not consistently inconsistent. But can rely on Saban or Urban to let us know where we stand.

 

[NDAFArly]

The Clemson game was out of reach by the end of the half. The defense must of forgotten to show up for Louisville, and NC State, but they game FSU a game

The only bad game WF defense playe was against NC State. Every team has a bad game, look at Bama giving up 40 loaded with NFL players.
When Elko arrived I asked questions about his style. I was told to go watch film on certain games. He had a defense that was averaging just below 2 Stars per man. Yet he was finishing in the top 30-40 in the nation playing ACC teams. If you watch film instead of just looking at scores you will see what I am talking about.
Now at ND he has a lot more talent but doesn't run into what happens to a lot of other DC when they move up, which is better competition. He already was facing elite competition before. Now he is doing it with a lot better talent.

 

[ndfi65]

No, he's officially a 4 Star?

I don't care what he came in as, he plays like a 2 star

 

[NDAFArly]

I don't care what he came in as, he plays like a 2 star

Have you seen him play under Elko yet?

Jaylon Smith was a 10 Star talent who was wasted under BVG.

Elko is one of two DC to have top 40 ranked defenses the last 5 years in a row...and he did it with 2 Star talent.

I know you just want to complain but how about you at least let things play out?

 

[deadirishpoet]

The only bad game WF defense playe was against NC State. Every team has a bad game, look at Bama giving up 40 loaded with NFL players.
When Elko arrived I asked questions about his style. I was told to go watch film on certain games. He had a defense that was averaging just below 2 Stars per man. Yet he was finishing in the top 30-40 in the nation playing ACC teams. If you watch film instead of just looking at scores you will see what I am talking about.
Now at ND he has a lot more talent but doesn't run into what happens to a lot of other DC when they move up, which is better competition. He already was facing elite competition before. Now he is doing it with a lot better talent.

Agree every team has some bad games. We Irish fans are well versed in that.
My point a couple of post above was only referring to teams get up to play the Irish.....WF not as much

 

[HDK]

We were beating Stanford with seconds left at PaloAlto. Not exactly a shell of a team. And went toe to toe with Clemson at death valley.

We were down about eight starters from the start of the season.

 

[ndfi65]

Have you seen him play under Elko yet?

Jaylon Smith was a 10 Star talent who was wasted under BVG.

Elko is one of two DC to have top 40 ranked defenses the last 5 years in a row...and he did it with 2 Star talent.

I know you just want to complain but how about you at least let things play out?

lol, Jaylen was wasted under bvg? Dude you are delusional. One of the best OLB ever in college. Stay off the crack pipe, its making you say stupid shit.

 

[HarlemIrish]

I'm still scratching my head on that one. IMHO he doesn't have the ability to coach at this level. No other major program wants him and the NFL laughed in his face.

I agree that was a pretty stubborn move on BK's part. The part I disagree about is that no other D1 school would take BK. I think he would be swooped up quickly. Also I think he would do well @ another D1 school without all the ND anchors.