We don't even know if the CFP, which is the only ranking that matters will have army ranked. It's going to be interesting to see that 1st poll and where they rank everyone.
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Lville is a quality win as well. A bad call in the Miami game, a beat down of Clemson on the road at night & a close lost to us. They could easily be 2-1 vs the top 10 with 2 losses being 1 score.
Every sh!ts on Navy & Army but they beat the crap out of everyone they played. Boise St hasnt played a tough schedule & their ranked 11. Same goes for Indiana, BYU but they seem to get more credit from the board because they're not on our schedule.
Some on the board say their realistic but they seem to have a habit of discounting our wins & overblowing everyone else who wins like OSU GA, Texas, Tenn ect as dominant and unbeatable if ND was to play them.
Even if they don't have Army ranked right now, they will most likely be if they end up at 12 and 1
I expect us to have 3 top 25 wins by years end
Thanks Mel. Once again you are dead wrong. Vandy at 6-3 with one of the losses to powerhouse GA St(who is 2-6 by the way) and Missouri at 6-2 (losses to TX A/M and Alabama). Missouri beat Vandy head to head. Lets not let these little facts get in the way. Let me guess you have watched all the games and your expert opinion is you think Vandy is better? Once again you are proven clueless
To be fair Mizzo lost by combine 70 pts to A&M & Bama or does context not matter. It's the same reason ND's win at A&M is better than you're giving credit because out of the last 6 top 10 teams that went into College Station only ND came out with a win.
Would you personally put Missouri in ahead of Vanderbilt?
It’s true that Missouri got smacked by the two other good teams they played, which makes them look like they’re not that good, but they also beat Vanderbilt head up.
I highly doubt any ND fan would be accepting of being behind a team that ND beat, especially when that team has one more loss and they lost to Georgia State who is 2-6.
Vandy has better wins and Missouri lost 2 games by 70 points
It's not close. Mizz doesn't belong
Did MO lose to GA ST? Who won between Vandy/MO? Which team has 3 losses? I guess these facts are not relevant. You make zero sense
"It's not close...." Golson, Missouri beat Vanderbilt on the field, and also has a better record.
Why do you not even mention the fact that Missouri played Vanderbilt, and Missouri won?
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Northern Illinois beat us. Should they be ranked higher?
Vandy has the better wins. And Missouri got destroyed twice
Vandy deserved to be ranked higher
That's the problem with discussing the team in a vacume. Mizzou headed by Drew Pyne is clearly. It the same Mizzou that won those games. I feel bad for him, getting thrown in against Bama with no real preparation is a steep climb
Because you evaluate a team on 8 games not 1.
Beating Vandy at home by 3 doesnt make up for losing by 65 points. Their last game they played they lost 34 to 0
That's my opinion. Things could change by Saturday. But as of now I would take Vandy
Hats off to IrishMike for trying, but holy cow, people have to relax a bit and try to imagine what it would be like talking football to fans of another team in their local bar. I bet it would be a lot more civil.
As of now yes because Mizzo QB is out and with Pyne they are a different team. To be clear I hate how the AP uses recency bias to ranked teams like LSU ahead of A&M just because they lost last.
IMO, beating someone on the field of play, winning the game, and you have a better overall record than the team you beat, deserves a better ranking.
If you disagree, OK.
Fair enough but I personally can’t go along with the injury angle. I believe a team should be rewarded regardless of injuries because it’s easy to quantify (qualify?) a QB injury but not as easy for other injuries.
I’d rather just let the on field results determine who should be where. Just my opinion.
I'd probably rank South Carolina over both of them. SC is 27th, right behind Missouri right now. They play Vandy and Mizzou the next 2 games, so they'll settle it on the field.
Has to be situational. Texas the difference between Ewer & Manning not as great but I would think Oregon loses Gabriel are they as good? Mizzo for sure Pyne is a huge step down.
I understand that but I just don’t think it’s fair. The committee can say, “oh they didn’t have their starting QB when X team lost”, but they probably won’t even be aware that a team was missing three starting offensive linemen for several games when they lost a game because of the OL injuries.
I just think injuries shouldn’t even be discussed because they’re just an unfortunate part of the game. FSU got screwed IMO last year. I think they earned the right to get crushed, or maybe they wouldn’t get crushed, by whoever with their backup QB.
A starting QB injury to Jordan Travis is why 13-0 Florida St. was left out of the CFB Playoff last season, IMO.
That’s what I’m saying. I think that was wrong even though it was likely to cause them to lose and that other teams had a better chance of winning.
So you hate 'recency bias', if that even exists, because it somehow advantaged BK in this situation, and LSU. So F that. A&M's still better. And you're okay with handicapping teams, in spite of their actual performance on the field, based on an injury, where the infamously sucky Drew Pyne is now taking over as starter for Mizzou after a very inauspicious start. As if somehow Mizzou is a lesser team, and deserves to be deemed as such, in some really philosophically depraved way of thinking quite frankly, and very effed up, on account of this injury, and they won't be accorded the same respect, and their achievements for the rest of the season won't carry the same weight. If they run the table and go 10-2, you can forget about a playoff bid if DP is your QB.
Don't you see now why you're little HST affectation is so annoying to me? Oh, and by the by, that's not a real thing. That's just a clumsy, bad-faith expedient that the committee gnomes pulled out of their ass to facilitate and justify getting rid of FSU so they could keep Bama and the SEC in, and they may have invoked it previously as well, I can't remember. I feel like they did though. Oh and they didn't do it with tOSU, and their backup QB won the last three games including the MNC. That time it was reversed. They could have snubbed tOSU and put TCU or Baylor in. But they went the other direction, and then basked in the glow of their controversial choice when the Bucknuts won the whole thing. Of course all that mattered was keeping TCU/Baylor out. But what unexpected validation! But it's all bullshit, it's just a means to an end. And they'll use it or ignore it as it serves the purpose, namely TV ratings....
I only go by when you play them. Once you beat a team it usually changes them. If you go by only year end it rewards schedules like IU, PSU. But Agee, Army probably out of we beat them.
