Although we won . . .

[NDblitz]

ND needs a QB period.

You put any QB from the top 10 teams on this team and ND is undefeated.

Utah
USC
UCLA
Stanford
UW
TCU
Texas
LSU
Bama
Ole Miss
MS St
Clemson
Michigan
Ohio St
Maryland
Tenn
Penn St
BYU
OK St
UNC
Syracuse
NC state
Wake
Purdue
Pitt
WVU
UGA

All have a better QB

 

[Get Nasty]

This☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️ x1000

Playing Angeli does many things.
You NEED to see what you have in Angeli. It's absolutely paramount and 10 of 100 quick reasons why..
#1 ....
in a season lost it's really a great opportunity to see what you have in Angeli. How good he is or could be and or not so much.

#2 ..... see #1

#3 ..... you need to know what Angeli can or can't do thus figuring out the future of the QB position.
Knowing the true capabilities of Angeli helps out with recruiting. You either pitch having a mayday at QB and need help immediately or you can take a breath and allow the QB depth chart disaster to fix itself. ( it's still messed up from the Wimbush too long/book too long ordeal.

#4 ... The QB cycle needs fixed immediately and playing Angeli helps that cause. The ideal cycle is a 2 year QB cycle. They observe for 2 years and learn, then start for 2 years.
Rinse and repeat. That's the goal and it could all start with Angeli/Carr.

#5....
You can say to the Carr kid enroll in 24.
He can learn and play backup under Angeli for a year.
If Angeli is decent enough he probably leaves after junior season and Carr steps in with a year of learning under his belt. (Better than starting him as a true freshman)
Carr plays 2 years and leaves and then player X steps in...the proper cycle is fixed once again
Win, win, win for the QB you're recruiting to the program itself

#6 .... see #4 again...
the cycle gets fixed(most important)

#7 .... we play a QB with real QB size again. God forbid eh`

#8 ... if Angeli is bad...really bad...
Now you've got a mayday.
It changes the pitch to Carr or any other top QB recruit and or tactic (portal)
Thus we fix the cycle with Carr and a recruit TBD

#9 Buchner is NOT the answer
#10 Pyne is better than Buchner and definitely not the answer. Pyne at his best is an OK servicable QB.



P.S.


#11... the MOST important part of all this....
If the OC position is not fixed the QB situation will only get so good.

i'm all for gettin Angeli some reps, but don't make the comparison to this last clemson game, that had nothig nto do with the QB and why DJ is still starter

 

[NDblitz]

I believe 6 times that ND got the ball in the first half it was in UNLV territory. That should have been 42 points going into the half at least.

Well... it should have been at least 34. Not getting 7 after one of the blocked punts was egregious.

 

[Golson5]

Angeli is not Klubnik

 

[mbd11]

Saturday's game would have been a good one to get Angeli some PT. But we didn't blow them out bad enough to get a chance to do it.

 

[NDinNJ]

Why does the failure of the players to execute fall on Reese’s shoulders ?

Please explain that to us !

Well, if a company has a sales manager/director who is in charge of the sales team, and some of the sales team continue to miss quota causing the team to miss quota as a whole, the sales director will replace the underperforming sales individuals. If it continues after that, chances are good that the sales director will be gone for the underperforming sales team and someone new will be brought in. The CEO isn't really involved other than looking at the numbers and getting reports on why they aren't hitting numbers and a plan to fix it.. If numbers continue to not be met, heads roll, typically management of that department/division.

 

[Patrirish]

Per our secret know it all informant "pattycakes" this is all on the players. Coaches, especially tommy are not responsible for this offensive debacle.

Since you’re the expert why don’t you explain in great detail exactly what Rees is responsible for in the “offensive debacle”. Let us know exactly what decisions that Rees made resulted in the “offensive debacle”

Then tell us exactly what part each player is responsible for in this “offensive debacle”

Then explain to us, again in great detail, what exactly is different in Rees this year, from the first half of the Oklahoma State game.

I await your detailed reply.

thanks

 

[Patrirish]

Well, if a company has a sales manager/director who is in charge of the sales team, and some of the sales team continue to miss quota causing the team to miss quota as a whole, the sales director will replace the underperforming sales individuals. If it continues after that, chances are good that the sales director will be gone for the underperforming sales team and someone new will be brought in. The CEO isn't really involved other than looking at the numbers and getting reports on why they aren't hitting numbers and a plan to fix it.. If numbers continue to not be met, heads roll, typically management of that department/division.

So if the sales manager has been successful in prior years, but you bring in new salesman and a new VP of sales, and sales are down, why is the automatic default that it’s the sales managers fault ?

The sales manager has a proven successful record.

But the VP of sales has no prior proven record

And in the ultimate, the sales team is individually and collectively responsible for sales

 

[Golson5]

Since you’re the expert why don’t you explain in great detail exactly what Rees is responsible for in the “offensive debacle”. Let us know exactly what decisions that Rees made resulted in the “offensive debacle”

Then tell us exactly what part each player is responsible for in this “offensive debacle”

Then explain to us, again in great detail, what exactly is different in Rees this year, from the first half of the Oklahoma State game.

I await your detailed reply.

thanks

First explain to all of us how you're so plugged into the program yet you said JS would not hire MF

We'll wait for your detailed reply

 

[Patrirish]

Saturday's game would have been a good one to get Angeli some PT. But we didn't blow them out bad enough to get a chance to do it.

Agree, but we had enough of a lead that he could have had some playing time

 

[Patrirish]

Oh okay. BK had nothing to do with it. Obviously - just look at the results.

Then tell us exactly what Kelly did !

Tell us the plays he called and the plays that Rees called.

If Kelly did all the game planning and all the play calling, why did ND sign Rees as the OC BEFORE they signed MF as the head coach ?

I mean, why sign a guy who did nothing under Kelly BEFORE you signed a new Head Coach.

Go ahead genius, explain that to us !

 

[Patrirish]

We should've probably scored 60 on that team, with the field position we had all game. But nevertheless, it's a good win, and hopefully the team will come out ready to play @ Syracuse Saturday.

But Pyne didn't have a great game. 14/28, 205 yds, 2 TDs, 1 INT. Those are middling stats vs. a mediocre G5 opponent. This is the 2nd week in a row he's been around a 50% completion pct. That's not good enough. In his first 3 starts, he had a very good completion pct, so not sure what's happened these last two games.

What’s your alternative ?

 

[Patrirish]

Anyone catch the Clemson - Syracuse game? DJ was struggling, Clemson down 21-10 in the 3rd, Dabo sends in true freshman Cade Klubnik, who lights it up and Clemson wins. Granted, Cade was a 5* recruit out of TX, but the point is, the elite coaching staffs aren't afraid to plug in backups or freshman when things aren't going well.

With Pyne struggling how does Freeman or Rees not say hey, let's give Angeli a shot, maybe he'll change the game. Sure it can backfire, but with the season the way it's going and a struggling offense there's not much risk, but potentially a huge upside.

Maybe because Angeli has not performed well in practice.

Some teams are loaded at QB, we’re not.

 

[mbd11]

Agree, but we had enough of a lead that he could have had some playing time

He did have some playing time - but no stats.

 

[NDinNJ]

Then tell us exactly what Kelly did !

Tell us the plays he called and the plays that Rees called.

If Kelly did all the game planning and all the play calling, why did ND sign Rees as the OC BEFORE they signed MF as the head coach ?

I mean, why sign a guy who did nothing under Kelly BEFORE you signed a new Head Coach.

Go ahead genius, explain that to us !

I believe and this my opinion that Jack was more concerned about keeping the recruiting classes together. He was blinded by that, and signed Rees to show stability of the program. Big mistake.

 

[IrishMike409]

I believe and this my opinion that Jack was more concerned about keeping the recruiting classes together. He was blinded by that, and signed Rees to show stability of the program. Big mistake.

I think you’re right.

Also- it’s not like there were 6-8 great candidates out there. Jack had to make a decision. In essence, he kind of rolled the dice. The jury is still out on the results….

 

[88ND]

i'm all for gettin Angeli some reps, but don't make the comparison to this last clemson game, that had nothig nto do with the QB and why DJ is still starter

I didnt....

On the contrary actually.

I was trying to enlighten our resident 8th grader who prefers to play games and structure a depth chart solely based on the number of recruiting stars.

 

[banmate6]

ND needs a QB period.

You put any QB from the top 10 teams on this team and ND is undefeated.

Andrew Luck at Stanford was pretty good in college but it didn't make them elite. I agree a good QB would help a lot. I don't think it would be a 180 degree turn with this ND team.

 

[BGI User 1596]

Andrew Luck at Stanford was pretty good in college but it didn't make them elite. I agree a good QB would help a lot. I don't think it would be a 180 degree turn with this ND team.

Stanfords exceedingly tough elite academic standards are an impediment!

 

[Zorich 88]

Andrew Luck at Stanford was pretty good in college but it didn't make them elite. I agree a good QB would help a lot. I don't think it would be a 180 degree turn with this ND team.

2011 was his best season. They went 11-2. Add the talent ND has at the skill positions and Oline, ND would go 12-0 and be a legitimate Championship contender.

 

[mbd11]

Andrew Luck at Stanford was pretty good in college but it didn't make them elite. I agree a good QB would help a lot. I don't think it would be a 180 degree turn with this ND team.

They were actually pretty elite in Harbaugh's final season there - 2010. They finished 12-1, #4 in the country and defeated Virginia Tech in the Orange Bowl, 40-12. And the following season they went 11-2 and lost the Fiesta Bowl by 3 points. So for Luck's final two years, they were very good.