ACC Network Imminent. Irish all in with the ACC?
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All I got from it is that Tim Brando has no clue what he is talking about.
I thinnk we have all been aware of that for quite some time, no?
These tweets made its way to the FSU message board. We have no clue where Tim gets his info or why he sent these tweets. But the new proposed Big Ten TV contracts is creating nervousness at the PAC 12, Big 12 and ACC. Lots of speculation everywhere - but that's all it is for now
If anything were to happen I would think it would be about the same time the next ND / NBC contract comes up. Within a year of that is the ND / ACC agreement and the College Football Playoff agreement.
Would be a good time to make changes in it. However if NBC could work out a deal to be the 'home network' for the ACC and have a way to distribute game online via an ACC network that could be a winner.
Would be a good time to make changes in it. However if NBC could work out a deal to be the 'home network' for the ACC and have a way to distribute game online via an ACC network that could be a winner.
I am pretty old, and I fully expect to see ND in a conference before I die.
Is Notre Dame joining in football that relevant for the ACC to get a lucrative television contract ?
Hate to see Notre Dame lose some of the intersectional games like Oklahoma, Texas, Georgia,Stanford , particularly greatest long time intersectional rivalries against USC and Navy and also a possible renewal of the Michigan games .What happens to the Purdue and Michigan State games?
Notre Dame would have to play at least 8 or 9 games in the ACC . then continue playing Navy and USC and 1 and possibly 2 teams from mid major conferences
Hate to see Notre Dame lose some of the intersectional games like Oklahoma, Texas, Georgia,Stanford , particularly greatest long time intersectional rivalries against USC and Navy and also a possible renewal of the Michigan games .What happens to the Purdue and Michigan State games?
Notre Dame would have to play at least 8 or 9 games in the ACC . then continue playing Navy and USC and 1 and possibly 2 teams from mid major conferences
Forgot to add that ND without a national schedule and tied to a conference would disillusion a lot of Irish purists .
With NCAA now having a final 4 in football , we have a chance at a berth even competing with PAC 12,Big 12, Big 10 ,and SEC ,ACC teams . With the parity within each league , teams beat on each other and I think it will be getting harder for 2 teams from the same conference to make the final 4.
We almost made it this past year .A few more quality recruits would add to our depth.
With NCAA now having a final 4 in football , we have a chance at a berth even competing with PAC 12,Big 12, Big 10 ,and SEC ,ACC teams . With the parity within each league , teams beat on each other and I think it will be getting harder for 2 teams from the same conference to make the final 4.
We almost made it this past year .A few more quality recruits would add to our depth.
ACC has already said they plan to stay with an 8 game conference schedule. So with an 11 game schedule that would offer (just as an example of ND in the Coastal opposite FSU / Clemson)
North Carolina
PITT
Miami
Duke
VTech
Virginia
GTech
USC
Navy
-- cross conference opponent i.e. Clemson, Louisville, FSU, BC, NC State, Cuse, Wake
Open game
Open game
ACC Conference Championship Game
Semi Final in Playoff
Championship in Playoff
So a potential for 15 game season. 1 shy of a standard NFL regular season schedule. Would still leave 2 open slots every year, still have the USC, Navy game (would most likely have to drop the annual Stanford game)
Plus's
1. Gives annual games in the South East of the country where the highest concentration of high caliber players are coming from to help with recruiting
2. Gives ND the potential for a Conference Championship Game (ask men and women's basketball if they like those or not)
3. Leaves 2 open games a year 1 for a neutral site (shamrock series type) game, and a home and home with Texas, or other marque matchups
Minus
1. Lose Indy status. Something obviously very dear to every true domer
2. Removes many of the additional chances at playing traditional rivals in the B1G, PAC other conferences
3. Lowers the chance to finish every season in California for the recruiting on the west coast
Money wise. The current NBC / ND deal if I remember correctly goes through 2025 and while no one has ever had solid number on the payout it is always rumored in the 12 to 16 million / year range. If ND / NBC could leverage that into an ACC platform for NBC much like CBS does, partnered with the ACC / ESPIN contract and possibly an online Longhorn Network type option. The money could get big, quick. Easily topping what ND is making now. To give an idea. A couple of years ago the B1G paid out to every member school (even Purdue and Indiana) 25.7 million each. No reason this could not create at least 20 million / school. With that money comes coaching upgrades, infrastructure for school upgrades etc.
North Carolina
PITT
Miami
Duke
VTech
Virginia
GTech
USC
Navy
-- cross conference opponent i.e. Clemson, Louisville, FSU, BC, NC State, Cuse, Wake
Open game
Open game
ACC Conference Championship Game
Semi Final in Playoff
Championship in Playoff
So a potential for 15 game season. 1 shy of a standard NFL regular season schedule. Would still leave 2 open slots every year, still have the USC, Navy game (would most likely have to drop the annual Stanford game)
Plus's
1. Gives annual games in the South East of the country where the highest concentration of high caliber players are coming from to help with recruiting
2. Gives ND the potential for a Conference Championship Game (ask men and women's basketball if they like those or not)
3. Leaves 2 open games a year 1 for a neutral site (shamrock series type) game, and a home and home with Texas, or other marque matchups
Minus
1. Lose Indy status. Something obviously very dear to every true domer
2. Removes many of the additional chances at playing traditional rivals in the B1G, PAC other conferences
3. Lowers the chance to finish every season in California for the recruiting on the west coast
Money wise. The current NBC / ND deal if I remember correctly goes through 2025 and while no one has ever had solid number on the payout it is always rumored in the 12 to 16 million / year range. If ND / NBC could leverage that into an ACC platform for NBC much like CBS does, partnered with the ACC / ESPIN contract and possibly an online Longhorn Network type option. The money could get big, quick. Easily topping what ND is making now. To give an idea. A couple of years ago the B1G paid out to every member school (even Purdue and Indiana) 25.7 million each. No reason this could not create at least 20 million / school. With that money comes coaching upgrades, infrastructure for school upgrades etc.
The whole idea of a network is prefaced on the idea of repurchasing the syndication package. The SEC, Big Ten, and Pac 12 all had to repurchase syndication and/or Tier 3 rights before starting a network. It's a normal procedure.
Are you talking from Notre Dame's point of view, or the other schools? The ACC school already make more that $20 million a year.
The ACC has been great for ND. You just aren't happy about it.
Jefferson Pilot/Raycom has already said the will not sell their TV rights to the ACC because it is all they really have left, so the ACC will just have to run out the contract.
In the Raleigh area there have been grumblings for a while that the ACC was looking to get the tv network off the ground with ESPN floundering, they dont want to be locked out, hence the possibility of Fox becoming their partner.
I have long suspected that ND and the ACC have some sort of agreement; assuming the landscape of college football changes (power conferences expand). Swofford is jokingly called the ninja many areas because of his behind the scenes moves (Expansion related especially as he always seems to be ahead of the curve (Getting Miami and VT, quickly replacing Maryland with Louisville etc). I would not be shocked to see the ACC add Navy and some sort of enhanced schedule agreement arranged between the ACC and ND. Something that allows Notre Dame to be technically independent while protecting the ACC. Something like ND keeps their right but plays an 8 game schedule (which always includes Navy) and as such gets a reduced amount from the conference network in exchange for the right to be an "independent" in football only but allowed as a full member of the ACC. While during football season it remains "The ACC and Notre Dame"
Raycom is not an issue. There are loyalties there but they are no longer a really big player as the inevitability of the ACC network gets closer.
I have long suspected that ND and the ACC have some sort of agreement; assuming the landscape of college football changes (power conferences expand). Swofford is jokingly called the ninja many areas because of his behind the scenes moves (Expansion related especially as he always seems to be ahead of the curve (Getting Miami and VT, quickly replacing Maryland with Louisville etc). I would not be shocked to see the ACC add Navy and some sort of enhanced schedule agreement arranged between the ACC and ND. Something that allows Notre Dame to be technically independent while protecting the ACC. Something like ND keeps their right but plays an 8 game schedule (which always includes Navy) and as such gets a reduced amount from the conference network in exchange for the right to be an "independent" in football only but allowed as a full member of the ACC. While during football season it remains "The ACC and Notre Dame"
Raycom is not an issue. There are loyalties there but they are no longer a really big player as the inevitability of the ACC network gets closer.
Good post mirer,
Plenty of food for thought. Well thought out. I suspect you are correct in Raycom is not an issue. $$$ talks!
That doesn't really make sense. If Notre Dame plays 8 games vs. the ACC, there simply isn't a reason to be independent. On the flip side, that arrangement doesn't do anything more for the ACC. They already have the agreement with Notre Dame in place, so there isn't more money to be made from the arrangement. The only way it would be any more financially beneficial is for Notre Dame to join as a full member, so that Notre Dame's football rights are part of the ACC contract. Otherwise, adding extra games doesn't do anything more for either side that it does now.
There also isn't any reason for the ACC to take Navy. If Notre Dame isn't going to join the ACC, then it makes no sense to add Navy and go to 15....for what? Notre Dame already plays Navy now. There isn't any reason for Navy to join the ACC to keep playing Notre Dame, when they are doing that anyway.
Swofford is called "The Ninja"..? Is that what they call you when your conference broadcast rights are a distant third/fourth?
Ummm. Ok?
Adding Navy has two advantages... 1. Put the Maryland market in play. 2. Adding Navy to NDs ACC slate means Notre Dame would really be playing a 7 game ACC schedule, freeing up an out of conference game spot.
As far as it not being financially viable you are incorrect. The ACC would reap then benefits of one or two additional ND conference away games to increase the value of the ACCs tv contract and the also the exposure of 1 or 2 additional games being nationally televised by NDs NBC contract.
ND gets access to conference title game and the right to remain independent to negotiate its own tv contract.
Keep in mind I think this would be the nuclear option, only if ND is in danger of being locked out of national title game due to conference realignment.
1. The ACC already gets paid for the D.C. market. Navy would add in the Maryland market, but it wouldn't be worth as much (see Cincinnati, UConn, etc.). 2. That doesn't help the ACC. Sure it helps Notre Dame's scheduling, but it just makes the ACC's harder.
No, you are incorrect about the finances. The conference doesn't get paid for away games. Notre Dame doesn't own the rights to away games. There is nothing to sell to the networks. The rights to those games are owned by the home teams. Well, all those rights have already been sold to ESPN. ESPN is already paying for those games. There isn't anything to add. The only way the ACC would get more money is if Notre Dame joined as a full member, and all Notre Dame's home games came under the ACC's ownership. Then they would have additional inventory to sell to ESPN. Having one or two extra nationally televised games is meaningless if you aren't getting paid for them.
Notre Dame can't play in the conference title game unless they are actually a member of the conference. That's an NCAA rule. Good luck getting the rest of the leagues to vote for that.
Again, if Notre Dame keeps its NBC contract, then the ACC can't make any more money. The reason the ACC's contract went up when Notre Dame joined is because the ACC added Notre Dame's other sports (i.e basketball) to the conference, and thus had more inventory. Notre Dame doesn't own the rights to the away games, so there is no additional inventory to sell to ESPN. I know you think this makes perfect sense in your head, but that's simply not how TV contracts actually work.
Your post is inaccurate.
If notre dame plays two more games a year on the road against an acc team then yes the acc can leverage those two games as part of the tv contract because they are acc home games guaranteed to be facing notre dame. Which will bring an audience. The acc will also have the rights to the ND vs navy game every other year plus the rights to the army navy game every other year.
If you do not think that the acc benefits greatly from their teams playing on NBC for nd homes games you are outta your mind. Adding additional acc games on NBC is a big win for the acc in terms of exposure no they don't make money, but the teams will be playing on a national tv station with no interruption or blackouts. There is an immense value to the schools and to the ACC.
Yes they have and they have made it very clear a number of times that they will not sell the rights unless a company wants to buy out the entire company which is possible. The ACC is over 90% of Raycom/Jefferson business and without the ACC they are no longer in business. Raycom makes a statement every year saying the same thing. Don't be surprised within next month or two they come out and say exactly that.
Sorry, that's simply not true. The ACC rights have already been sold. The ACC has sold all its rights to ESPN. The ACC can't "leverage" more Notre Dame away games, because the TV contract isn't up for renegotiation or renewal. The other thing that you don't get is that these rights are sold, regardless of who is scheduled for these home games. For example, let's just say that next year, Clemson cancels its game with Troy, and instead schedules Alabama. Well, the ACC can't say, "Hey Clemson is playing Alabama now, so ESPN you give us more money." That's because Clemson's home games are already under contract, regardless of who they play. The contract was signed with the knowledge that some games are not yet schedules, and the opponents are not yet known.
No, playing games on NBC is not that big of a deal. Exposure is not the issue. The ACC gets plenty of exposure as it is. What they need is money. Two extra games on national television is not an "immense value."
No, Raycom has not said that. Post a link to Raycom's announcement of that.
