State of the Group of 5: The challenges facing smaller conferences
While Boise State made this year's playoff, the challenges the Group of 5 faces are bigger than ever.
A good Read On College Football and money, NIL and the Portal
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I'm going to read the whole article. I'm several paragraphs in and it's a fear mongering sensationalist hit piece, from a hack writer. The highlight so far being that among the many existential threats to the continued well being of the precious and beloved 'G5' informal bunch of D-1A CFB conferences, is the possible looming loss of the chance at getting a first round bye, without which - gasp! - Boise St. might have had to play on the road in the 1st round!
The G5's enemies are all around them, lurking, skulking, circling.....
The G5's enemies are all around them, lurking, skulking, circling.....
and the defender of money money no matter who you stab in the back strikes again
I would have been shocked if you had posted anything else
You don't give a shit about the G5. You mock them with contempt when it suits you. But you got that 'master morality' in you. And whatever you think, whatever you want, that's what's good. Your will be done....
It was a decent article with some stats to back it up. Calling it a hit piece seems a little dismissive.
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I wish I could call it worse than that. It was pure propaganda. The financial circumstances are what they are, and they certainly mean little or nothing to me. I'm not worried that Jerry Kill had his salary cut in half, and he no longer gets to make six hundred thousand, and only makes 350 thousand instead, because sorry ass NMSU has less revenue for some reason, which was never really explained. And so he quits in disgust, coaches' exorbitant salaries being one of the worst excesses of the CFB racket, and NIL doesn't cost the schools anything anyway.
Nor do I care about the plight of G5 programs in the bigger picture, as the article falsely and misleadingly romanticized their situation with an almost insultingly tendentious piece like that. Nobody cares about New Mexico St. or even Boise St. The so-called P5 conferences have always had huge advantages over them, and nothing has changed, in spite of that article distinctly portraying matters as if only on account of these new circumstances, the twin evils of NIL and the transfer portal, that such a dark cloud now looms over them. And clearly the main purpose of this article was to undermine the legitimacy of NIL and the transfer portal more generally, using the exaggerated fate of the sorry-ass, nobody cares about them anyway G5 leagues as a sob story to generate sentiment against NIL and the portal. And they had to borderline lie to do it. Because the powers that be want to railroad them both NIL and the portal out of existence, and they need more public support before they try something so audacious like that.
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Article is a long way of saying that CFB has too much disparity and is inequitable. I don't disagree, but what's the solution?
Isn't it obvious? Get rid of NIL and the transfer portal! Nobody gives a shit about New Mexico St., Boise St., nothing. The schools are viewed as contemptible interlopers by regular CFB fans who have no business even being in the playoff at all. It's an insult! And they are indeed regarded with disdain and contempt and that they suck. But hey, let's wait a minute, if we suddenly start supporting them, and pitying them, even though we've never done that before as P5 school fans, could that help us get rid of NIL and the portal? Because if so then hell yeah, I love New Mexico St., and I feel their pain and we need to take action. They deserve to have their shot at elite recruits just like Bama and ND. And they need better amenities in their coaches' lounge. Somebody get that boy a Mr. Coffee machine!
I'm pretty sure in the era before NIL and transfer portal, G5 schools still struggled like they do today. Who is regarding those schools w/ disdain and contempt?
If a player from a small school is good he will get poached. And no year to sit out. You can now build a bear your team. Kentucky in basketball has an entirely new team after losing their coach.
I don't like the transfer portal being what it is today. And yeah it's disappointing to see a coaching staff identify a 2 star kid recruit him and turn him into a 4 star type player only to see him transfer for his last 2 years of eligibility. However, as the article stated the transfer portal works both ways. You see your players leave, but you can also get the 4 and even 5 star recruits that are not playing at the P5 school to come to your program. Again, do I like seeing this? No. But my point is I don't think the transfer portal has that much of an impact on the performance of schools today. ND loses kids every year. Who here says ND lost to NIU because of transfer portal? LSU is 8-4 because of transfer portal?
That's what I just said. This article made it seem like these G5 programs are under particular existential threat, on account of the advent of NIL and the portal, when they are not, and nothing has changed for them. And the fact that New Mexico's star QB has transferred to Utah, to take financial and career advantage of his rising fortunes, does not doom New Mexico football in any way such that they should feel entitled, in any way, to lament it or seek to prevent it. If Devon Dampier wants to transfer to Utah to get paid and play in the P4, then that's what he's going to do. And New Mexico's just going to have to live with it. And every G5 program is going to have to accept it.
And this article is merely trying to create sympathy where none previously existed. Not because fans give a shit about G5 programs, which they don't, but because they don't like NIL and the portal messing with their favorite P4 programs, the teams people actually care about.
And if they unionized, and strike during the season (you know thats going to happen) what fun this board will be
Okay. But you didn't answer the question. Who is regarding those schools w/ disdain and contempt?
I'm not sure the prospect of Boise St., being in the playoff, the old playoff, when they were having one of their awesome seasons beating every team on their schedule by 40 points or more, and even beating UGA or Vtech OOC, has ever been mentioned without them immediately being pissed on as totally unworthy and having no business among the top four teams in the country. Because they're G5, they don't play anybody and they're not even in the conversation. I would call that disdain and contempt. No big deal, just fans being fans, but let's not pretend that anyone's heart is bleeding for the G5.
don't you love the morally bankrupt defending the big money types?
Morally bankrupt... that's me. And the big money types? I guess that means the athletes. College football players, big money types!
College football is not going back to the 1970's, when schools such as ND, USC, Bama, Ohio State, etc, could hoard 90% of the best talent coming out of high school. Those schools were "the big money types".
And what fo you believe is the percentage of the big money types in the top 100 teams.....honest question...just curious
Nothing is ever quite the same. But you might be dead wrong about concentrating talent...as big $$$ afford this.
And who will have more $$$ than the bigger schools with the biggest fan bases, many with blue blood branding. Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Notre Dame, Oregon, USC, Georgia, Texas...these stand out to me. Some combination of wealth and numerous alumni who can donate to NIL funds.
I agree that they cannot hoard. Good players won't languish on a bench. Preferring to be paid and play elsewhere.
But an Ohio State can get the best across the board with sufficient depth. No need to hoard talent that rots on the bench. The starters and rotating support, with reasonable backups, will be good enough.
Notice I didn't include Alabama. I'm not sure they have the alumni to keep up. However, Georgia and Texas are big enough SEC schools. This is going to get interesting...back to the future with an evolutionary twist.
I would put Bama ahead of both USC and Oregon. USC has history, but they don't have as many hard core fans as any you listed. When they contending for a NC, they pack their stadium. But when they lose 3-5 games in a year, they are lucky to be 50% full. They are similar to Miami. Oregon is hitting a program peak. Phil Knight is a billionaire, but he isn't going to live forever. Unless Phil has made provisions to fund Oregon football after he dies, the Ducks' money may fall back to average in the Big Ten.
Bama is the biggest name in the SEC. Arguably, the biggest brand in all of college football. They have fans spread all throughout the South. They won't fall far.
Phil Knight has twin sons. Travis Knight will carry on Phil Knight’s legacy at Oregon. 40 Billion goes far.
I haven't deep dived this. Just going by fuzzy memory of school size and fan bases. My guess was that Alabama isn't a big nor deep pocketed school...not like Ohio State or Michigan. But you might be right about the Tide...as a quick google check shows 40k students currently enrolled!
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I don't think it will take too much to ignite USC. Rich CA talent base. Tradition. Monied alumni. 50k students. It will take the correct program management...but is well positioned.
This is going to be interesting.
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Maybe. But maybe at only 10% of what Phil was giving. People who inherit money often select their own charities to support.
