The Rich Get Richer: When Will Notre Dame Land a Gamebreaking Top 5 Overall Recruit? (#1 overall composite QB Jared Curtis to Georgia)
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The only evidence he sees is the lack of top 10, top 50 recruits, regardless of the evidence and valid points you're providing.
The only evidence he sees is the lack of top 10, top 50 recruits, regardless of the evidence and valid points you're providing
More evidence of ND recruiting elite players.
slapthesign.com
Marcus Freeman strikes again as Notre Dame beats Alabama, Georgia for elite RB
Notre Dame football adds another 4-star RB to its 2026 class during a dominant spring recruiting run.
Might have the best culture / recruiting pitch when it comes to certain things
I think i heard a stat from Pete Sampson (ND beat) that ND has 5 NFL first round draft picks total in the last 10 years. Alabama and OSU have like 25-30+ of them (each) lol
What do you think happens over and over again when going up against juggernaut rosters that have that much more top-percentile talent than you? The last 20 years at ND is a testament: you get completely ran over in one sided stomp after one sided stomp.
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Now do a list of college teams with active players on nfl rosters and players last year that were named in the top 100 nfl players. Time to get life sport.
Despite what it seems, im not posting this to disparage ND. I'm posting this because its reality. And until it gets acknowledged and fixed/corrected ND will perpetually be a tier-2/tier-b/substandard program with only a very remote chance to win a national title.
With ND tying themselves to the ACC for the next 10+ years at least, the program is getting more and more entrenched as a minor league for the super 2 conferences (SEC & BIG10) instead of being viewed as that kind of team themselves.
A lot of watering down of the brand going on while the rest of the league continues to pass ND by.
Does Notre Dame itself even know/acknowledge how bad the ACC has become? Sometimes it feels like the dinosaurs running the operation are totally in the dark on these issues. I don't think I've seen a single entity fail to take less advantage of their power/wealth in a sport than ND has over the last 30 years.
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ND was tied for 2nd with 5 top 100 NFL players
ND is 6th with 51 players in NFL.
The roster has only gotten better since Freeman took over so ill make a educated guess that ND will move up into top 3 in the next 3-5 years.
ChaseHasNoBalls says he's not posting to disparage ND, and until ND fixes it, they'll perpetually be Tier2, blah blah. Yet he's posting his comments and thoughts on an anonymous forum where no one has any authority to make the changes he is requesting.
If ChaseHasNoBalls intentions were authentic, he would write letters to the administration instead of posting on an anonymous forum.
I feel like we are right back where we started both acknowledging a problem but both believing differently as to who's responsible or what is responsible for it. And also what the program's capacity is for improvement. I believe we've been in a debate before on this very same topic and I just don't feel like there's enough new ideas being introduced to rehash it
Did anyone ask Chase balls how a tier 2 team managed to consecutively beat USC, Indiana, Georgia, Penn State and then make it to the national championship game.
How is it possible that the tier 2 team could do that?
You want the measuring stick to be "who ND beat last season" but the real measuring stick is "how far is ND from realistically winning a national title" when you ask yourself that 2nd question, and use the correct tools to assess, that's where the limitations of the program start to surface.
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He wants change but he's using the wrong forum for it. He should be writing letters to the President and Athletic Director, but he's to weak and soft.
My posts are getting thousands of page views .. probably adds up to a significant number over the course of many posts throughout the year. It would be silly to assume that the message isn't getting out loud and clear.
You could ask that question about every college football team and no one knows the answer, not even Vegas.
Your question is just another form of mental masturbation.
While we might like to think so, I doubt anything on this message board gets out to the general public or even the Notre Dame fan base
Just a little full of yourself chase. You and your army of handles are not getting any message out. The only message getting out is how psychotic, and misinformed you are. That's what gets views to your posts, since you pay attention to such useless information.
there's a lot of active users here and a lot of hardcore active users that use many other sites and services and their forums and comment sections. word spreads on the internet easily there are only so many places to go these days in the ND communities and most people know all the popular destinations including this one.
i'm certain my content/ideas are being read and spread and at least opening the dialogue for a perspective that seems to be on nobody else's radar.
i'm certain my content/ideas are being read and spread and at least opening the dialogue for a perspective that seems to be on nobody else's radar.
There's NOTHING NEW to introduce.
Your debate is with the U of ND. I'm merely trying to COURSE-CORRECT YOU IN THAT DIRECTION.
If you're so convinced that this can be "FIXED," TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHO CAN FIX IT.
Do you see anyone in the BROADER ND COMMUNITY who is pushing this issue?
I DON'T THINK SO.
So, what I would be doing if I were you is finding out if your ARGUMEMT is either a DEAD LETTER among those who have the power to implement it, or if, in fact, you are MUCH CLEVERER than any of these people, in which case you might see yourself as owing them the benefit of YOUR SUPERIOR INSIGHTS by contacting them directly and telling them how to run ND'S FOOTBALL PROGRAM.
WHY NOT? YOU HAVE ALL THE DATA AND ZEAL IMAGINABLE.
My own view -- AND IT'S SHARED BY MANY HERE -- is that ND will NEVER approach football the same way as OSU, OU or Bama.
If you have EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY, LET'S SEE IT.
I could talk ALL DAY to rocket enthusiasts about the flaws I perceive in Elon Musk's rocketry technology, but unless I talk to him or someone at his company, of what value are my insights.
OF NO VALUE.
Do you want to EFFECT CHANGE or just keep posting like some GABBER AT THE END OF THE BAR who thinks he can forumlate foreign policy between SHOTS and BEERS?
Honestly, if everyone on this board agreed with you tomorrow, WHAT DIFFERENCE WOULD IT MAKE as nothing would change.
Why is that SO DIFFICULT for you to UNDERSTAND?
I'm not debating you so much as INFORMING YOU that you have NOTHING TO DEBATE unless you take it RIGHT TO THE SOURCE.
Until you do, you're just a BYSTANDER.
The same as the REST OF US.
People have been saying the same shit about ND for decades.
ND will never ____________________
redshirt
pay players
send out uncommittable offers
accept transfers/have one-and-dones
accept early enrollees
training table (this was a massively controversial issue during the Weis era)
make academic concessions (BK got more concessions than anybody according to Pete Sampson)
and on and on it goes
its like a lot of you old school alums don't follow the news or just hear what you want to hear because ND has caved on everything everybody has said they would never cave on for decades now. They cave because the financial incentive is simply too high not to. They are great at balancing the books and min-maxing dollars and cents from a business operations standpoint but have been terrible at the football operations side of things that spans over 3 decades now.
ND ALWAYS ends up adjusting/evolving to the times (or in your words "operate like osu, alabama, etc.") -- they are just doing it too slowly with no foresight or vision (which again has nothing to do with academics and is just bad leadership)
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And it will CONTINUE to do it "TOO SLOWLY" as it isn't a PRIORITY. And it will only do what it ABSOLUTELY has to. But it will never be the kind of university that OSU is, and that will affect how it manages its sports programs.
For all of the changes you cite, there has been no ascendance in ALMOST THIRTY YEARS to the kind of PERENNIAL TIER-ONE STATUS you crave. That's because certain MORE FUNDAMENTAL guidelines have remained in place, having to do MORE with remaining principally a UNIVERSITY rather than an OPEN-ADMISSIONS football factory.
So, what does that tell you?
And how are you suggesting that this evolutionary process you've described will SPEED UP? By you CLAMORING for it on a message board?
You keep CONFUSING your OWN WISH LIST with ND's MISSION STATEMENT. You have a VISION for the place it doesn't share. Or else it would have gone WHOLE HOG a long time ago in ways you think it should.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST NOT AS STUPID OVER THERE AS YOU THINK. And they're running the place, NOT YOU.
STILL, YOU SHOULD TALK TO THEM. SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY, instead of proposing something to a kind of THIN AIR AUDIENCE that is as POWERLESS AS YOU ARE to effect ACTUAL CHANGE.
Because unless you do, you're just playing PROPHET IN THE WILDERNESS, AS WOE-AS-ME-MESSENGER to those poor fools WHO IF THEY'D ONLY HAD LISTENED TO ME, yada, yada, yada.
After a while, it's merely BAR ROOM PHILOSOPHIZING if you don't actually PUT YOURSELF OUT THERE.
Talking to people here about that kind of CHANGE in the kind of INSISTENT way you do is MEANINGLESS.
Notice ChaseHasNoBalls did not respond to the main point of your comment, that he should take his argument to those that can actually implement his ideas. He's simply a troll who is too soft and weak to take it to the source.
This is a great class, but Singer said a few days ago this very likely will end up in the 6-10 range when all is said and done. Great class, but Chase isn’t necessarily wrong. Both can be right. I think what Freeman is doing right is building enough consecutive classes to compete for a title. Doesn’t really have to be top 5. I’d take 4 consecutive top 10 classes any day over 1 top 5. Freeman is clearly about the process. He’s quickly turned himself and ND into a top tier program that kids now view as a Georgia or Bama level program.
Also missed in this class ranking obsession is retention rate. Would be curious about those statistics. ND seems to retain top talent at a high level. Likely bc kids choose ND for the right reasons. Is a top 5 class that sees 10 transfers in the first two seasons really a top 5 class?
Also missed in this class ranking obsession is retention rate. Would be curious about those statistics. ND seems to retain top talent at a high level. Likely bc kids choose ND for the right reasons. Is a top 5 class that sees 10 transfers in the first two seasons really a top 5 class?
Last season chase, ND wasn't far off from winning it all. Was within 1 possession of the buckeyes on 3rd down with 2 minutes left...
However, I think the data you are really looking into is the longterm data.
You aren't wrong here. Against prime Clemson....prime Saban tide....prime pete carroll SC.....ND got curb stomped. But basically everyone got curb stomped.
Remember, in 2018, Clemson beat ohio state by more than us... the talent heavy buckeyes you are referring to
In 2020, Alabama beat ( Clemson or ohio state ) by more than they beat us.
Even extremely talented teams get curb stomped... its just ND got curb stomped for a long duration. I blame it on willingham/ weis defense.
Whenever you get coaches like that it can set you back for a LONG time. Kelly did a great job at getting ND back to relevance. But he can only do so much. Getting us back was his monumental achievement.
It seems freeman is using kellys foundation to his advantage, taking the next step. ( beating texas AM on the road, beating SEC champ....etc etc
Your long term data on ND vs big time opponents is valid in my opinion for the most part.
What we honestly don't know, including you I believe is how close freeman is to coaching immortality . In only 3 years, he made some magic happen. More to come this year I believe.
I think retention rate is an overrated concept, especially if the guys you are retaining aren't good enough to win a national title with.
So you'd rather count recruiting rankings from years past yet a lot of guys from said recruiting class aren't on the team. Got it. Makes sense 🤣
Retention/development is huge bro....
It's probably one of freeman's best traits. At least on the defensive side, development has been excellent. ( Leonard Moore)
It's interesting you think this, because a couple years ago texas AM had a monster recruiting class. Beat everyone i think. A recruiting class that you chase, dream of and wish ND would do.
Guess what that recruiting class got them due to lack of retention?
A fat L at home to the fighting irish of notre dame. Got them nothing but wasted money ( NIL ) bad team chemistry and players transferring out.
Gotta look at the whole picture and not ignore certain components. Retention / development basically just as important as recruiting.
Coach Harbaugh would most likely agree i would think.
Hardballs had to turn to cheating to get over the top….
