5 years ago. My have the tables turned

[FreedomOfExpression]

Toot your own horn for spouting more nonsense? You have implied in many of your ignorant posts that ND should just drop its academic standards in order to become a football factory and allow in any athlete—- regardless of their academic qualifications. You have been told repeatedly that ND will never do that. Why do you utterly fail to comprehend that? As many others here have said, you’d be better served following another team that meets the football factory standards you’re looking for.

I love this self-righteous holier than though fan base who pulls the football factory card whenever it's convenient.

How cool is it to root for a football team where you always have a built in excuse when your team gets ran over on the field?

Me personally I'm tired and done with the excuses. I'm tired of hearing all the reasons why it's okay for Notre Dame to be less.

It's like letting some retard play basketball with you and your friends and then when you beat him he runs around saying "but hey I'm a retard I'm supposed to get beat" Yeah maybe but it's annoying as f*** to hear it

 

[Classic Irish]

I love this self-righteous holier than though fan base who pulls the football factory card whenever it's convenient.

How cool is it to root for a football team where you always have a built in excuse when your team gets ran over on the field?

Me personally I'm tired and done with the excuses. I'm tired of hearing all the reasons why it's okay for Notre Dame to be less.

It's like letting some retard play basketball with you and your friends and then when you beat him he runs around saying "but hey I'm a retard I'm supposed to get beat" Yeah maybe but it's annoying as f*** to hear it

Again, go root for Alabama. And “retard”? Really? You’re a lowlife.

 

[iwish]

What has ND won in the last 5 years other than a gimped Clemson team?

Brian Kelly has done an incredible job getting the program to its current 10 to 15th ranking but he still has yet to overcome that hump and people are way over praising the program right now for beating up on some pretty bad teams in the ACC the last few weeks

Current 10th to 15th ranking? You're a sad, sad out-of-touch fan, it would seem.

 

[NDSMC78]

Me personally I'm tired and done with the excuses. I'm tired of hearing all the reasons why it's okay for Notre Dame to be less.

It's like letting some retard play basketball with you and your friends and then when you beat him he runs around saying "but hey I'm a retard I'm supposed to get beat" Yeah maybe but it's annoying as f*** to hear it

The idiot running around here is you. I said before, and I will say it again---go find another school to pull for which will satisfy your lofty expectations. You seem to think that ND exists to have a great football team. Learn a little bit about how the reality of Notre Dame. You seem to have almost no concept of what Notre Dame is all about.

 

[iwish]

I love this self-righteous holier than though fan base who pulls the football factory card whenever it's convenient.

How cool is it to root for a football team where you always have a built in excuse when your team gets ran over on the field?

Me personally I'm tired and done with the excuses. I'm tired of hearing all the reasons why it's okay for Notre Dame to be less.

It's like letting some retard play basketball with you and your friends and then when you beat him he runs around saying "but hey I'm a retard I'm supposed to get beat" Yeah maybe but it's annoying as f*** to hear it

Seriously, wtf are you talking about? You are clueless and you're use of "retard" is pathetic, even on an anonymous message board.

 

[FreedomOfExpression]

Current 10th to 15th ranking? You're a sad, sad out-of-touch fan, it would seem.

I'm talking about the aggro ranking of Brian Kelly over the last several years. This year they are ranked 8th (still two more games to go though) last year they finished 12th, the year before was 15th or so.

And I'm referring to F+ rankings, which adjust for strength of schedule and luck.

 

[IrishMike409]

Yes because other programs with Notre Dame's resources move on from coaches who aren't good enough to win national titles and who aren't good enough to move the needle on the recruiting trail.

Notre Dame admins accept mediocrity so Brian Kelly gets a lifetime contract and he turns out mediocre seasons relative to Notre Dame's tradition and history. If Bo pellini was still at Nebraska he would be considered having a top 5 to 10 program as well.

If you look at Brian Kelly's productivity over his tenure at Notre Dame he's never had a national title contending window, he's always had some Cinderella team that lucked into the BCS or playoff game and then predictably gets ran over by the real contrnders.

Until any of that changes Brian Kelly does not deserve this kind of topic imo

You come here strictly looking for trouble. Why?

 

[NDSMC78]

I'm talking about the aggro ranking of Brian Kelly over the last several years. This year they are ranked 8th (still two more games to go though) last year they finished 12th, the year before was 15th or so.

Aggro ranking= Chase's personal ranking of coaches.

 

[FreedomOfExpression]

You come here strictly looking for trouble. Why?

Why does having a dissenting opinion from the consensus mean that I'm a troublemaker? Why can't I freely express my view, provide data and research with which to back it up, and then debate people who disagree with the points I'm making about ND Football; why isn't that a thing? Why do I have to be pegged as some ND hating BK hating irrational board villain?

But I digress.

I don't like the inaccurate narrative of the program.

We are not any closer to winning a national title right now then we were back in 2010 that's what the data shows and the data goes counter to the narrative that BK is some Notre Dame legend who we should all be jubilating over

 

[NDSMC78]

Why does having a dissenting opinion from the consensus mean that I'm a troublemaker? Why can't I freely express my view provide data and research with which to back it up and then debate people who disagree with the points I'm making why isn't that a thing? Why do I have to be pegged as some ND hating BK hating irrational board villain?

You don't provide data and research. Calling ND and Kelly "mediocre" is opinion, not fact. And that opinion is not supported by ND's performance on the field or its record. ND has now won 10 games in five straight seasons, an accomplishment only a handful of schools can claim. ND has gone to the playoffs twice in the past three seasons, which is, again, an accomplishment few schools can match. Referring to these things as mediocre flies in the face of reality.

 

[thehellyousay]

Well what you basically say in the results is true. But who got us at 4-7? It was Brian Kelly who hired Brian Van Gorder and kept them way too long. That was a hiring that should never have happened. It took that debacle for Kelly to understand that you can't just hire your close buddies. You have to go out and hire the best out there, something which she still hasn't done, and I'm not talkin about Quinn or Rees. Kelly also made some blunders as far back as his first year when he went for a freshman quarterback throwing to Michael Floyd, instead of kicking the winning field goal which was in the kickers distance so to speak. And also there's a North Carolina game, which was a downpour where he incessantly Call Cass place, instead of running the damn ball. And then there's the fact that we make the college playoffs but always get blown out. Now I'm not saying he's not a bad coach, he's a very good coach, and probably the best coach that we can get. But something is still missing, and it's the hump so to speak that he can't get over to win a National Championship. And that is he lacks the Killer Instinct, doesn't like to play a lot of freshmen although he's doing it this year, and his speeches but you never should be broadcast are horrendous. Sorry for any syntax errors but I don't have time to correct everything

and Nick Saban kicked a 57 yard FG against Auburn and had it returned for a TD to lose the game. It probably cost them a NC.

 

[tkirish]

Ok so what changed ? When Kelly came here he was young (er) and cocky and brash. His first year they lose to Tulsa at home. He was questioned why he went for a TD with under a minute to play when they only needed a FG to win and were in range to kick. His answer was revealing. “ Get use to it” is what he said at the press conference. That in essence was everything that was wrong up to and including the 2016 season. He didn’t get what Notre Dame was all about. He basically was forcing a square peg into a round hole for 6 years. He was in charge and as he stated many times, he’s been coaching for over 20 years and it’s not like he didn’t know how to all of a sudden. The issue wasn’t that he couldn’t coach . The issue was , does his style and philosophy of coaching work at ND? Well the results spoke loudly. The answer was a resounding NO!!

Enter Jack Swarbrick. After the 2016/season it was obvious something had to change . It was fire the head coach , which was very popular among the the Irish faithful. The other was to revamp how the football program operated from top to bottom. It turns out the latter was the plan going forward. This was not popular with many fans, myself included. Swarbrick had a vision and a strategy. Instead of going for a new coach, he recognized that Kelly needed to change and adjust. He needed to find the type of player that ND should be recruiting and how changing the culture could turn things around. Swarbrick didn’t doubt Kelly’s ability to coach. Kelly himself had to step back and take his own inventory. After meeting with coaches players and other staff, a plan came about and was put into action. New coaches were brought in. Strength and conditioning became equally important. Recruiting philosophy changed and over time all the pieces slowly came together. There were still some bumps in the road but everyone could see by the play on the field things were changing for the better. When ND beat LSU in the Citrus bowl in January 2018, that was the turning point. Ian Book, the backup led the Irish to an incredible comeback win. That win carried over into the 2018 season and beyond. Recruiting has been better as well as player development and coaching. It is no accident ND has won so many games over the last 5 years . They have beaten teams they should beat. Some say, big deal. Well it is a big deal . For many many years they were losing to the “ inferior “ teams. NDs talent and depth hasn’t been more evident than this year. Not only was this a transition year, to complicate things, injuries to star players forced younger players into starting or contributing roles. Kelly and company have done a tremendous job turning Notre Dame into a yearly contender over the last five years. The journey this year still isn’t done. They have to take care of Stanford and see what happens bowl wise after that. This has been a fun year and a heck of a five year run. Let’s hope they can keep things going in the right direction. I am more optimistic now than ever that at some point they can win another national championship. Go Irish!!!

 

[Pennick4]

He doesn't actually. But you don't really count as a hater. You're just a general psycho creep. Like a Jeffrey Dahmer type. I don't even know why you're here. Just an internet weirdo who's attached himself to this message board, and to being a toxic ND fan. It's somewhere online you can go and not get kicked off, I suppose....

There's a few of your ilk on this board. And they don't ban you. But I'm talking about actual ND football fans.

Very well said. He has been off his meds for years.

 

[Pennick4]

I love this self-righteous holier than though fan base who pulls the football factory card whenever it's convenient.

How cool is it to root for a football team where you always have a built in excuse when your team gets ran over on the field?

Me personally I'm tired and done with the excuses. I'm tired of hearing all the reasons why it's okay for Notre Dame to be less.

It's like letting some retard play basketball with you and your friends and then when you beat him he runs around saying "but hey I'm a retard I'm supposed to get beat" Yeah maybe but it's annoying as f*** to hear it

Nice language.. If you only had a fraction of the standards in your life that you have for the ND program.

 

[savvyandsassier]

I consider this must be God testing me. He knows how much I adore BK, and that's what I have to endure as my lot in life, these clueless and ungrateful ND fans who have made it their mission to instead of pinching themselves that all this success is actually happening, when ND's football fortunes could be in a very different, worse place right now, rather they insist on belittling and minimizing BK as much as the facts might possibly allow. Apparently it's just my cross to bear. Though I could be a starving kid in China...

As the great Scott Skiles once said, in offering some explanation for the timeless, eternal stupidity and bizarre arrogance of hardcore sports fans...

Many are called, but few are chosen..... Which is sort of an odd biblical quote for him to have invoked, but it's true enough.

Okay I just googled it, and what he actually said was, "basketball is like religion, many attend but few understand."

Amen to that....

 

[FreedomOfExpression]

Very well said. He has been off his meds for years.

I don't get why these types of posts seem to be okay but someone writing a 700 word article with factual information charted data and other s*** of actual value gets frowned on and shamed.

A lot of you guys are nothing but tribal hacks and it sucks to see how far this board has declined over the years. Where is the critical thinking skills and independent thought of the average poster here? Where is the intellectual honesty? Where has it gone have they all been banned?

 

[Golson5]

I love this self-righteous holier than though fan base who pulls the football factory card whenever it's convenient.

How cool is it to root for a football team where you always have a built in excuse when your team gets ran over on the field?

Me personally I'm tired and done with the excuses. I'm tired of hearing all the reasons why it's okay for Notre Dame to be less.

It's like letting some retard play basketball with you and your friends and then when you beat him he runs around saying "but hey I'm a retard I'm supposed to get beat" Yeah maybe but it's annoying as f*** to hear it

Your a piece of garbage with that comment. Trash

 

[Pennick4]

I don't get why these types of posts seem to be okay but someone writing a 700 word article with factual information charted data and other s*** of actual value gets frowned on and shamed.

A lot of you guys are nothing but tribal hacks and it sucks to see how far this board has declined over the years. Where is the critical thinking skills and independent thought of the average poster here? Where has it gone have they all been banned?

Post less and read more.

 

[Golson5]

I'm talking about the aggro ranking of Brian Kelly over the last several years. This year they are ranked 8th (still two more games to go though) last year they finished 12th, the year before was 15th or so.

And I'm referring to F+ rankings, which adjust for strength of schedule and luck.

F+ is a joke just like you

 

[NDSMC78]

A lot of you guys are nothing but tribal hacks and it sucks to see how far this board has declined over the years. Where is the critical thinking skills and independent thought of the average poster here? Where is the intellectual honesty? Where has it gone have they all been banned?

Feel free to go to another board anytime you like.

 

[Classic Irish]

I don't get why these types of posts seem to be okay but someone writing a 700 word article with factual information charted data and other s*** of actual value gets frowned on and shamed.

A lot of you guys are nothing but tribal hacks and it sucks to see how far this board has declined over the years. Where is the critical thinking skills and independent thought of the average poster here? Where is the intellectual honesty? Where has it gone have they all been banned?

More nonsense from the buffoon who doesn’t deny that he wants ND to lower its academic standards to become Alabama.

 

[NDinNJ]

I'm just hoping we can win a championship sometime in the next four years including this season. Then he'll get the statue that he will truly deserve at that point if he doesn't already.....

ND can win the championship the next 3 years and Kelly won’t get a statue, that train left the station.

 

[savvyandsassier]

ND can win the championship the next 3 years and Kelly won’t get a statue, that train left the station.

Oh yeah? Is that so?? When did that happen.....

 

[Pennick4]

ND can win the championship the next 3 years and Kelly won’t get a statue, that train left the station.

Stop blaming Kelly for all your failures.

 

[Goirish5]

Stop blaming Kelly for all your failures.

Kelly will win 2 championships at LSU in the next 6 years and deserves to. Great coach.
I agree ND is ok with mediocrity, just look at men’s basketball.
They will soon be as avg as Boston College in football, mediocre like the early 2000’s.

 

[NDSMC78]

Kelly will win 2 championships at LSU in the next 6 years and deserves to. Great coach.
I agree ND is ok with mediocrity, just look at men’s basketball.
They will soon be as avg as Boston College in football, mediocre like the early 2000’s.

Get off the sauce, man. This is crazy talk.

 

[NDinNJ]

Stop blaming Kelly for all your failures.

You must have taken the short bus to school when you were younger. Why don’t you take your lover boy man crush you have for Kelly and become an LSU fan

 

[NDinNJ]

Kelly will win 2 championships at LSU in the next 6 years and deserves to. Great coach.
I agree ND is ok with mediocrity, just look at men’s basketball.
They will soon be as avg as Boston College in football, mediocre like the early 2000’s.

Then go cheer for Kelly and LSU. Bye loser.

 

[NDinNJ]

Get off the sauce, man. This is crazy talk.

They have greater allegiance to Kelly than they do the university, it’s absurd.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Kelly will win 2 championships at LSU in the next 6 years and deserves to. Great coach.
I agree ND is ok with mediocrity, just look at men’s basketball.
They will soon be as avg as Boston College in football, mediocre like the early 2000’s.

I don't know if I'd go that far. But I admire your pluck! And appreciate the kind words for BK. Hope he does well.

I'm sure Freeman's also going to do well....

 

[lukeirish]

5 years ago this week, ND was 4-7, BVG was fired and the team was heading to play their greatest rival USC. The Trojans went on to beat ND 45-27, they had a budding superstar in Sam Darnold. And by virtue of UW going to the CFP. the Trojans would go on to the Rose Bowl and defeat #5 Penn State. Finishing a 10-3 season

Meanwhile, the other Califonia team synonymous with Thanksgiving week, is Stanford. The Cardinal defeated ND in 2016, and were also on their way to completing a 10-3 season. Let us also not forget many posters on here like (DeadIrishPoet / DIP) were holding up David Shaw and The Cardinal as the blueprint, for what the ND program needed to look like in the future.

And the last thing i remember was the "Kelly Critics" preening around like peacocks, literally salivating at the prospects of Brian Kelly's firing. Well, thank god Jack Swarbrick is much, much, much, much, smarter than the average message board crank. Brian Kelly a lifetime winner, was allowed to reset the culture, reset the coaching staff, reset the football program

The Results
55-9 over 5 years
2 CFP appearances in 2018 & 2021
And knocking on the door of #3 in 2021
5 consectutive 10+ win season
Brian Kelly with most wins of any Head Coach in ND history

The only pin left to knock over is the National Championship. Why not 2021?

And....I think you are one of the few people on this board who seem to be shedding tears over Kelly's departure. Look at the reaction from the players, the coaches, former players, etc. They seem glad to see him go. He would not even look his players in the eye as he walked out. That says all you need to know about him. It's a like a weight has been lifted off the shoulders of all of those close to the program. The enthusiasm has returned. They will get it done under Freeman.

 

[deadirishpoet]

5 years ago this week, ND was 4-7, BVG was fired and the team was heading to play their greatest rival USC. The Trojans went on to beat ND 45-27, they had a budding superstar in Sam Darnold. And by virtue of UW going to the CFP. the Trojans would go on to the Rose Bowl and defeat #5 Penn State. Finishing a 10-3 season

Meanwhile, the other Califonia team synonymous with Thanksgiving week, is Stanford. The Cardinal defeated ND in 2016, and were also on their way to completing a 10-3 season. Let us also not forget many posters on here like (DeadIrishPoet / DIP) were holding up David Shaw and The Cardinal as the blueprint, for what the ND program needed to look like in the future.

And the last thing i remember was the "Kelly Critics" preening around like peacocks, literally salivating at the prospects of Brian Kelly's firing. Well, thank god Jack Swarbrick is much, much, much, much, smarter than the average message board crank. Brian Kelly a lifetime winner, was allowed to reset the culture, reset the coaching staff, reset the football program

The Results
55-9 over 5 years
2 CFP appearances in 2018 & 2021
And knocking on the door of #3 in 2021
5 consectutive 10+ win season
Brian Kelly with most wins of any Head Coach in ND history

The only pin left to knock over is the National Championship. Why not 2021?

Well now
Kelly is 5 and 5 against Shaw, but aside from that he has no major bowl win pins
He has no playoff win pins (and with him walking away will not be awarded a win if the Irish do get into the playoffs and win
In fact Kelly wasn't even in the big games after the half
Kelly does not believe he can win an NC here his actions prove that
So you are basically stating Kelly won a bunch of games only to loss the big ones

Tell us something g we don't know

 

[deadirishpoet]

And....I think you are one of the few people on this board who seem to be shedding tears over Kelly's departure. Look at the reaction from the players, the coaches, former players, etc. They seem glad to see him go. He would not even look his players in the eye as he walked out. That says all you need to know about him. It's a like a weight has been lifted off the shoulders of all of those close to the program. The enthusiasm has returned. They will get it done under Freeman.

Think University of Cincinnati 2009

 

[lukeirish]

One thing about the BK years, which is obviously hard on me as a fan and ardent BK admirer, are the vast oceans of haters BK has within the ND fanbase. And he really truly does. BK is a first-ballot HOF coach, one of the great coaches of his era and possibly of all time, and yet ND fans in large, large numbers truly hate him, or find him unlikeable, or somehow harbor some malice and/or contempt for him. For reasons completely unknown. And I have a hard time coping with that.

I've pondered it, I've tried to understand it, and I certainly have my theories, but it will ultimately remain a mystery to me. Why a coach so awesome, and so successful, and so perfect for ND, is so intensely hated by so many ND fans.

We all know about the ND Nation board largely full of alums who have hated from the moment he was hired, and I mean real hatred in almost the literal sense. I don't know maybe Bama fans are the same way about Nick Saban and OU fans were the same with Bob Stoops. But there's a serious, vicious aggressiveness with legions of ND fans and their loathing for BK, and how shameless they are at publicly expressing it, that you can't help but be appalled by it. No matter how much we win. They just keep moving the goalposts, to the point that it's painfully obvious that all they want to do is bash the guy. And it doesn't matter about anything else...

It's definitely a thing, and I'm going to guess well above and beyond the typical toxic fandom that's the nature of the beast with everyday CFB fans.

What do you have to say about the players' reactions to him departing? How come all of those assistant coaches stayed? What about the reaction to his departure from former players in the program? People in the media? No one is shedding a tear over losing him except you and IrishFlorida and a few other die hards. He wasn't well liked not only on this board, but apparently by those in the program and close to the program.

 

[IrishMike409]

What do you have to say about the players' reactions to him departing? How come all of those assistant coaches stayed? What about the reaction to his departure from former players in the program? People in the media? No one is shedding a tear over losing him except you and IrishFlorida and a few other die hards. He wasn't well liked not only on this board, but apparently by those in the program and close to the program.

Kelly was generally liked on the board. You had extremists on both sides, but he was 54-9 during the past 5 years. Most fans recognized and appreciated that. Good, reasonable fans.

BK, ND, and the fans, were all probably ready for a change. Simply put, it was time.

The board is optimistic that Freeman can/will deliver. I think at this moment, we’re a top 4 team. Would love to get into the playoffs. Full speed ahead these next 4 weeks, and into the 22 season.