2010 ND was the worst big time job in the country

[TheSodFather]

It’s quite rare for a program not to fall apart when a good coach leaves. Look at all the once great programs going through the coaching carousel. Remember, Holtz was the last successful coach before BK. The chances are very low that we will land the right coach. It’s always exciting when someone new gets hired and it doesn’t take long for that excitement to turn into pissed off fans calling for the coach to be fired. Our chances of landing another coach off the bat that will match BKs success are probably less than 5% and that’s looking at the entire nation and Historical precedent. Most likely scenario is we go through 10-20 years talking about the glory days under BK. That is not something anyone wants to hear, but it just is a straight up fact if you look at everything. It will take a lot of luck and a lot of money to maintain this program. It will have to be the right coach at the right time and Brian Kelly is going to have to retire at the exact right time and we are going to have to pay $10 million a year or it just is not going to happen. If it happened today, I see no coach in the country that I would be confident in at this point that would come to ND. The only one I would consider and it would have to be if he maintained the level of success that he currently has had for another year or two would be a Luke fickell. But he’s still a gamble. What Brian Kelly has built at Notre Dame is only matched really by a handful of other coaches in the country. We are in the same conversation as Oklahoma, Ohio State, Georgia, Alabama, and Clemson. I don’t see any other coach in the country that would get us into that same company right now besides BK. Do you have to do it year in and year out and those coaches and Brian Kelly seem to be able to know how to do that. And remember we are doing that in a rebuilding year. There is no proven coach anywhere in the country that I would have any level of confidence in to be able to match Brian Kelly’s success that would have any reason to come to Notre Dame because they are already at a top-five program. Every other coach is a major gamble with less than a 1% chance of being one of those top five coaches like we have. If this isn’t resonating with you look at Texas, Michigan, Stanford, Florida state, Florida, Miami, USC, Nebraska, I could go on for days of the ones great programs that are now going through decades of disaster. So my point is keep Brian Kelly as long as he will possibly stay and I would say keep him until he is determined to retire or just loses a passion for coaching. As long as he has us in the playoffs conversation every year the discussion of who’s the next coach is ridiculous and one that is kind of uncomfortable really. I’m kind of with you on the fact that it can be interesting and exciting, but I do know that always comes with the caveat as it really is never a good thing to lose a good coach. The only two that are doing it with any success right now are Riley and day. Perhaps that blueprint is the right direction for us, I’m not sure. I don’t know who on staff right now could handle it. Not Freeman. Maybe Rees. But that’s a 1/100 shot. I’m sure Jack Jack has noticed the blueprint. The good news is if he wants to he has plenty of time to groom someone and if I’m Jack that’s exactly what I’m hoping for.

BK has done such a tremendous job of reestablishing what a winning culture looks like in the post Holtz environment. I am very hopeful Rees has been identified and is being groomed as the eventual successor. Had Bob Davie not been allowed to infect the decision making process during Holtz final years we would have likely gotten Holtz protege Barry Alvarez who would have kept the 10 win seasons rolling for another decade+.

 

[Ara64]

When you look at ND bowl record it isn't very pretty. Knute Rockne was ND's most successful coach 1-0; Dan Devine 3-1; Lou Holtz 5-4; Ara Parseghian 3-2; BK 5-5 and Jerry Faust 1-1. ND over all bowl record is 18-20. Maybe we are there based on our bowl record. Bob Davie 0-3;Tyrone Willingham 0-1; Kent Baer 0-1; and Charlie Weis 1-2.

 

[savvyandsassier]

I’d go so far as to say if we swapped QBs with Clemson in 2018 we win … we were that close … we have a very good QB and they had an elite one. We matched up well enough everywhere else

Yeah, yeah... I get very touchy on the subject of Ian Book, he's easily my favorite player of the BK era. That kid was just a superstar for us. But maybe Buchner can have that extra something. He's a pretty similar player to Book, but I really like what I see from Buchner, he's got a spring in his step. Book was, admittedly, a bit of a cautious player, which I think served him and us very well. But Buchner has a real go-for-it quality to him it looks like, and while I think he's a step slower than Book, he's still very quick and fast. Should be an RPO stud!

We haven't seen him throw it too much, but I feel like he can throw a gorgeous ball, and it really explodes out of his arm, he can sling it for sure.... If these three seasons coming up represent the last of the BK era before retirement, I could definitely say Buchner will give us a great shot, and he certainly hasn't disappointed or underwhelmed in what we've seen thus far....

The upshot being maybe, hopefully Buchner can be that transcendent QB, if such a thing exists. And that's not just wishful thinking, he looks pretty damn talented. But, it should be said that our recruiting and roster talent is going to be stronger all around, at every position group.

 

[twalsh]

I haven't watched the NFL in about 10 years. How is Lawrence doing there? He was an outstanding player back then. Even Harbaugh could win with him.

Struggling a bit, but so do most rookies. Mac Jones excluded.

 

[twalsh]

When you look at ND bowl record it isn't very pretty. Knute Rockne was ND's most successful coach 1-0; Dan Devine 3-1; Lou Holtz 5-4; Ara Parseghian 3-2; BK 5-5 and Jerry Faust 1-1. ND over all bowl record is 18-20. Maybe we are there based on our bowl record. Bob Davie 0-3;Tyrone Willingham 0-1; Kent Baer 0-1; and Charlie Weis 1-2.

Part of that is, when we started going to bowls again in 1970, the attitude was to play the best opponent possible.

 

[NDinNJ]

Did you just say Dane Christ? That's your clapback to the OP?

Manti Teo of course was an oversight. But Dayne Christ.... Then again BK haters have never had any real ground to stand on. And you find yourself dredging up the name of Dayne Christ - DAYNE CHRIST.... - as some forgotten elite blue-chip recruit that BK had at his disposal, and so of course he sucks as a coach, just look what happened to Dayne Christ!

Speaking of Dayne Christ, no offense to the guy, but I believe he was too much of a hothouse flower for BK's tastes, too much of a young Ned Flanders. And they did not get along, and we were extremely fortunate to have someone as savvy and resilient as Tommy Rees on the roster to salvage things the first couple years. And then after Golson got suspended too...

And so if Tommy Rees actually became ND football coach, in three and a half years time, which I don't think he will.... But if he did, and he kept it in the family and replaced BK upon his well-earned retirment.... that would represent total defeat, complete and utter defeat for the BK haters. That Tommy Rees, in many ways the signature QB of the BK era, or at least the first half of BK's tenure, and a true whipping boy for ND's legions of toxic fans, actually succeeded the hated BK as head coach.

Seriously, that would be existential defeat for them. And all these thug fans want is to get their own way, that's abundantly clear at this point, they don't care about the welfare of ND football..... And that would be defeat on the level of the Romans burning Carthage to the ground never to rise again in the course of human history.

But I don't think he'll end up getting the job.....

You’re a dope.