On Classic now. Just watched Ty's halftime comments coming off the field. Basically said we need to score more points and limit USC's scoring. My, how far we have come. Regardless of what you think of Kelly, he is better that we have had in quite some time.
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I think its a perfect answer. Those sideline halftime interviews are about as useful as tits on a boar...or however that saying goes.
i would add that Ty never dealt w/ a starting QB being kicked off the team, losing 3 starters to academic suspension and another 1/2 the defense to injury either.
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I've posted how many times?
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
Yeah, thank God we had Kelly and his deep roster when that happened. Can you imagine Ty dealing with that? Yikes.
That game was the turning point for USC football in the 2000's. They outscored us 27-0 in the 2nd half and then proceeded to rape Iowa in the Orange Bowl. After that, they were riding that high til Oregon killed them in 2009 and Stanford buried them a week later. Amazing run. Terrible decade to be a Notre Dame fan.
That is because they hired Pete Carroll. He had not coached in 17 years and the uSC fans were pissed when he was hired because he was not well known but no one wanted to coach USC during their decade of irrelevance in the 90's. So the Pro Kelly supporters who argue that there is no one out there better than Kelly...this is proof that there is and their argument for keeping a perennial 8-5 coach based on this is inane.
It isn't "proof" of anything. There's just as many examples going the other way. Nebraska, for instance.
Sure it is proof because it has been done at USC. There is also proof that sometimes it works out differently as you pointed out.
Not claiming to be a math expert or a Kelly drum beater, but I believe Kelly is at a pace to have a 9.09 games won per year average up to this point, compared to Lou's 9.18 games won per year average in his eleven years.
Just saying, ND has a coach now with a .704 win percentage, which is a level not seen since Lou and often times not seen throughout ND's history. It's easy to not appreciate what you have in front of you when looking through a filter of the past. Again, not claiming to be a Kelly drum beater at all, but I don't have any problems recognizing ND football is in a much better place now than some believe.
You add absolutely no value to this board. You know nothing about football or sports in general. Your sole agenda is to criticize other posters for grammatical mistakes or attempt to discredit something that you no nothing about. When was the last time you started a thread about football with an original thought or observation?
In regards to your last ignorant statement, if USC can hire a coach who is an unknown such as Pete Carroll and Pete Carroll turns the team into a Powerhouse, than proof exists that the same thing can be done at any school including ND. The argument has been made that there are no qualified coaches to take the team to the next level other than Kelly. Obviously, this has proven to be untru based on the USC example. There is also proof that a school can hire an unknown who turn out to be a worse coach than the one previous. It is about how well the school does in hiring the right coach. Is that so hard for you to understand?
I may be mistaken, but wasn't Carroll the head coach of TWO DIFFERENT NFL TEAMS before taking the USC job? They didn't exactly take a flyer on a guy from Arkansas-Pine Bluff.
And you are still struggling with the concept of "proof". If there are examples of something working, and examples of the same thing not working, all that proves is that either result is possible, i.e. it really proves pretty much nothing at all. Could ND dump Kelly and find someone better? Sure. They could just as easily dump Kelly and not find anyone better and send the program into freefall. Both results are very much possible. There are real life examples of both in college football.
Get off your high horse. Your sole purpose on this board is to criticize Brian Kelly. Yet every time you do, posters (and not just me) shoot holes in your argument. Your claims don't hold water. For instance, your Pete Carroll example is proof only that something happened once--yeah, you are really going out on a limb with that one. And one more thing. I know the difference between "know" and "no." I suggest you learn the difference before you post here again.
calling Pete Carroll an unknown shows that you sir, don't know a thing about football. Pete was very known and had been mentioned for several college jobs -- he was the Jets head coach for god sake.... Kelly is our coach, deal with it. he is doing a better job than anyone since Holtz and if he ever takes us back to a Natty and wins he will retire with a better record than Holtz who coached when our NBC deal helped with recruiting and ND was one of the only games in town... those days are gone, it's harder to get kids into ND and keep them there these days... Kelly is doing a solid job. If you had told me we'd lose Jones, Folston, Zaire and Durham for the season and still be in the running, I'd have said you are crazy.
Holtz never lost half his defense and three starters to academics in one yr -
ND goes 11-1 last yr sans injuries + Daniels - Ishaq - Russell being ineligible -- and all this 8-4 bull shit would be just that bull shit
The same old argument from the guy with either 3 Aliases or new usernames because he is constantly banned. If Kelly can't keep his players healthy year after year then he needs to be replaced. And maybe if he build some depth after 5 years, we would not have collapsed last year. No more excuses.
Pete Carrols College Resume:
1973–1976 Pacific Graduate Assistant
1977 Arkansas Graduate Assistant
1978 Iowa State(= Secondary Coach
1979 Ohio State Secondary Coach
1980–1982 North Carolina State Defensive Coordinator
1983 Pacific Offensive Coordinator
Never was a college head coach, anywhere, before USC.
pazuzu - purse - DIP - TOM - Cvgr
All hoping for an ND loss on Sat so they can indulge in Sunday morning melodrama re Kelly being a 8-4 coach
rank characterless rabble
All hoping for an ND loss on Sat so they can indulge in Sunday morning melodrama re Kelly being a 8-4 coach
rank characterless rabble
Head coach - New York Jets
Head coach - New England Patriots
Do you seriously want to go down this path of reasoning?
His record in the NFL was 33-31. He was out of college coaching for 17 years. He was never a head coach in college. Maybe the word "unkown" is not accurate". How about unknown as a college head coach and a average to below average NFL coach up to that point? Would you have been happy at first if ND hired him with that pedigree?
Yes, I agree with you completely. I am just pointing out that the argument that some posters make that we cannot do better than Kelly is flawed. We could do better or we could do worse. Hopefully, we get a guy who can take the team to the next level. I think Kelly did a good job making ND relevant again, but I don't think he is a guy that can get us to the promised land.
Sorry Stu4don, I meant to reply to you but responded to the new Argus by accident. See my comments above but to summarize:
Pete Carrols College Resume:
1973–1976 Pacific Graduate Assistant
1977 Arkansas Graduate Assistant
1978 Iowa State(= Secondary Coach
1979 Ohio State Secondary Coach
1980–1982 North Carolina State Defensive Coordinator
1983 Pacific Offensive Coordinator
Never was a college head coach, anywhere, before USC. NFL record was 33-31 over 4 seasons
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
Sal, you're a lawyer. You can't figure it out?
Continually, continually changes his username so he can get under Purse's craw. Purse keeps putting Continually's handles on ignore so he changes it so Purse reads his posts under his new handle. Purse can't hide. It is a brilliant tactic.
Holtz had 11 games scheduled every year but the 2 he had 12..... So, kelly is benefiting from the annual 12 game schedule seasons...
Wrong. Also, you are a disgusting poster..... isn't it amazing that everyone still has their handles, but you.... ? Quite frankly, their are plenty of ND fans with good ,cause to not like kelly.
Have you noticed that in the last 5 years Stanford has been to 4 BCS games winning 2? We're pinstripe, music city blah blah blah champs....ridiculous....
True. I guess I was just recognizing ND now has a coach above that .700 win rate mark again and that is not an easy thing to do.
Continually is not very intelligent so I doubt this is the scenario. It is just a simple matter of repeatedly being banned.
calling pete carroll an "unknown" when usc hired him is further proof that you continue to be the least informed, most illogical poster here.
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