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ND defensive team rankings

Total D = 4th

Scoring D = 2nd

Forced turnovers = 1st

Pass efficiency D = 1st

Red zone D = 5th

3rd down D = 8th

First downs allowed = 4th



I think with the loss of Morrison, Traore, Botelho and Howard Cross also missing time makes this all the more impressive. Freeman has recruited great depth and the defensive team speed really stands out more than I can remember. The speed at which guys like Ausberry, Sneed, Bowen, Gray, etc track and close on the ball and ball carriers is impressive. The good defenses of the past 30 years like 2002 and 2012 were very good units and has good athletes but they didn’t have this much team speed, depth or athleticism.

Is Marcus Freeman already getting fed up with ND brass too?

Common opponents is, but not if they both blew the same team out. 😂 you're a fool. Add in ND has a worse loss than PSU, that's also a factor.
Yes it is

After SC we will have 2 common opponents

Psu went to overtime and won by 3 points. They also beat Purdue by 39 and played their starters almost the whole 3rd quarter

If we show out better against SC and win and look better than psu that will absolutely matter. We beat Purdue by more and pulled our QB at halftime. We played better against Purdue than they did. Simple as that. We dominated them more than PSU

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Why do we snap at each other discussing something as cheerful and positive as what has turned out to be a nice ND season!

:D

Fingers crossed. I'm enjoying this season. I will try to buy tickets and visit South Bend for the 1st time in my life if ND wins next week.

🙏
ND is going to end up hopefully 5th or 6th in the playoff seeding. 6th most likely, which is perfectly fine because they'll get #11 at home and # 3 in round 2 which will be the ACC, B12, champ or Boise State.

This could be ND's best realistic chance to win a championship in a long time because there is no one dominant team. My concern is, ND really hasn't been tested. they haven't played a true top 10-15 team this season, so we don't know how good this team really is. defense is elite, Special Teams is great. Offense, RB's are elite, the rest of the offense is a question mark. If the coaching can exploit the weaknesses of the other teams in the playoffs, that can be an advantage and the deciding factor in how well ND does in the playoffs.

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No, strength of schedule will be talked about. Look up any of the services that rank strength of schedule. They ALL have PSU with a fairly significant better strength of schedule than ND. PSU SoS is in the 30's-40's, ND's is in the 50's-80's. That's what the committee is going to look at, not that ND beat Purdue by 59 and PSU only beat them by 39. that's foolish, but I should expect that from a fool.


Why do we snap at each other discussing something as cheerful and positive as what has turned out to be a nice ND season!

:D

Fingers crossed. I'm enjoying this season. I will try to buy tickets and visit South Bend for the 1st time in my life if ND wins next week.

🙏

Is Marcus Freeman already getting fed up with ND brass too?

They look at everything. They don't just look at 1 thing. Common opponents used to be a bullet point for the committee in every segment when it was 4 teams. I'm sure it still is now.

They use many metrics to rate teams. We beat PSU in pretty much every single metric and a lot of SOS sites have us pretty close to psu except ESPN. Maybe that's your gospel I don't know. Maybe not.

But if you yourself look at their schedule and look at ours, very similar. Not much difference at all. Only difference is they played OSU

If you look at comparable sos, same record, common opponents, data metrics and the eye test we belong ahead of PSU. So does Georgia. They are a good team nothing more. We are playing better than them throughout the year
Common opponents is, but not if they both blew the same team out. 😂 you're a fool. Add in ND has a worse loss than PSU, that's also a factor.

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Miami destroyed Florida by 24 at Florida. Do they get the credit for that?

Old Dominion lost by 4 at South Carolina

This overrating the SEC this year is just wild. They used to be by far the best conf in cfb. Now the gap is very small.

It's somewhere between by far and very small...not to nit pick.

The greater point is that there are a few good SEC teams...and other programs playing in the SEC might suffer 1-2-3 losses...a normalized outcome given the strength of the schedule...as plain as I can say that.

Don't get me wrong, I agree more parity has come. I doubt we see a Saban type Alabama team from anybody...but they were an anchor for other SEC teams evolving to catch up, winning some NCs when Alabama didn't.

If I have to guess right now, I'd guess Ohio State or Oregon win in the playoffs...not an SEC team...but Georgia could, Texas less likely.

Again, ND stands to compete well...we will see...again, I admit I wouldn't mind Alabama and as many SEC teams not making it...as I think it raises the odds of ND perhaps pulling it all off.

Is Marcus Freeman already getting fed up with ND brass too?

I didn't realize you were on the committee. Does ND deserve to be ranked ahead of PSU? I believe ND is a better team.

If you look at what the committee looks at which is strength of schedule and NOT margin of victory between common opponents, you would see that no matter which service you look at, PSU has a fairly significant better strength of schedule than ND. Therefore there is no reason for the committee to place ND ahead of PSU, unless PSU loses to Maryland this week, that's the reality.
They look at everything. They don't just look at 1 thing. Common opponents used to be a bullet point for the committee in every segment when it was 4 teams. I'm sure it still is now.

They use many metrics to rate teams. We beat PSU in pretty much every single metric and a lot of SOS sites have us pretty close to psu except ESPN. Maybe that's your gospel I don't know. Maybe not.

But if you yourself look at their schedule and look at ours, very similar. Not much difference at all. Only difference is they played OSU

If you look at comparable sos, same record, common opponents, data metrics and the eye test we belong ahead of PSU. So does Georgia. They are a good team nothing more. We are playing better than them throughout the year

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It will be talked about when this 2 teams are battling for position.

How teams played against common opponents is always a factor

And if we played better against Purdue and SC there's a good chance that puts us above PSU

Use your head
No, strength of schedule will be talked about. Look up any of the services that rank strength of schedule. They ALL have PSU with a fairly significant better strength of schedule than ND. PSU SoS is in the 30's-40's, ND's is in the 50's-80's. That's what the committee is going to look at, not that ND beat Purdue by 59 and PSU only beat them by 39. that's foolish, but I should expect that from a fool.

Marcus Freeman Has This Team Playing Hard

Nothing comes easy to the opponent. Few if any big plays and having to drive the length of the field against this defense is not a recipe for success. The rehashing of NIU is just noise. It happened. Can't change it. They've been as impressive as any team in the country since then regardless of schedule. It's wide open this year and ND has as good a chance as any to win it all.
Agreed about rehashing NIU. Jesus, let it go, people! I guess I do it too, but mainly to emphasize how insignificant and ancient history it is. Or to fuss over how it affects our ranking, which is irrelevant to anything substantive and just idle talk. And maybe a blessing in disguise if it totally galvanized the team and staff for the rest of the season, which it seemingly has. We absolutely have been dominant, pretty much is the word for it, since then, and will be a force to be reckoned with in the playoff. I'll go so far as to say we can win it. With this team, the way we're playing right now. And we don't need to do anything different or better, just keep rolling.
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Where do you think we're weak on the OL? Are there any spots where we'll flat-out get pounded and overwhelmed vs better comp?

Yesterday the OL failed to push in power up the middle situations against a smaller Army. Some argued numbers. But a jumbo package should still get push.

I'm not saying flat out overwhelmed...but if Army can make a stand against the ND OL, you'd think this might be a margin of difference against a really good team.

It's a legitimate question and concern. Again, maybe things get corrected by then?

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ND might be able to hang with favored Ohio State, Oregon, Texas, and Georgia to beat them.

ND can hang with the rest of a tight pack, as others have described it, to be 50:50.

I saw the Wisconsin and Oregon game. Just like with ND, take it in holistic across the season context. Oregon pulled it out when they were lackluster...and have hit heights and consistency in a tough schedule ND hasn't.

And even with Georgia, play their schedule. You seem to think the SEC has severely declined, but I disagree. Any team would find it tough to play Florida and South Carolina in their homes...teams capable of a surge game to beat other decent teams.

All good, everybody has their opinion. I tune my based on these discussions. I posted overall where I stand. A top 4 with a tight pack after that...where ND is fully justified.
Miami destroyed Florida by 24 at Florida. Do they get the credit for that?

Old Dominion lost by 4 at South Carolina

This overrating the SEC this year is just wild. They used to be by far the best conf in cfb. Now the gap is very small.
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Is Marcus Freeman already getting fed up with ND brass too?

Along with us if we play better against SC, yes it will be a factor. Absolutely
I didn't realize you were on the committee. Does ND deserve to be ranked ahead of PSU? I believe ND is a better team.

If you look at what the committee looks at which is strength of schedule and NOT margin of victory between common opponents, you would see that no matter which service you look at, PSU has a fairly significant better strength of schedule than ND. Therefore there is no reason for the committee to place ND ahead of PSU, unless PSU loses to Maryland this week, that's the reality.

Marcus Freeman Has This Team Playing Hard

Nothing comes easy to the opponent. Few if any big plays and having to drive the length of the field against this defense is not a recipe for success. The rehashing of NIU is just noise. It happened. Can't change it. They've been as impressive as any team in the country since then regardless of schedule. It's wide open this year and ND has as good a chance as any to win it all.

Ohio st vs indiana

A bad call that would’ve kept an IU drive going (already up 7-0) instead resulting in a 3rd and 6 sack, along w/ a fumbled snap on a punt that gave osu the ball at the IU five yd line and an 80 yd punt return propelled the osu win. The game was way closer than the score. Three plays defined the game. All went osu’s way and the one that opened the floodgates was the horrendous call that should’ve kept that drive going. Osu can be had and Indiana is pretty good, imo.

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It was that egregiously bad, and EVERYBODY acknowledges this! But it is one game of 11 played by ND, and ND has not only won the other 10, but has increasingly looked very good doing so. My stated concern coming into this season was the play of the OL; and frankly, that is still my concern when we go up against better competition. As for whether we should be ranked ahead or behind Penn St., I have no opinion as I’ve only seen Penn St play once. But you’ve watched every ND game, and you refuse to marginalize their one shitty second game of a highly successful season to date.
Telx-

Where do you think we're weak on the OL? Are there any spots where we'll flat-out get pounded and overwhelmed vs better comp?

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Can ND hang with the top 4....

Has anyone watched the top 4 this year?

There are no great teams this year. Wisconsin had Oregon on the ropes. Nebraska had OSU on the ropes. Arkansas had Texas on the ropes. Psu lol

Who are you talking about?

ND might be able to hang with favored Ohio State, Oregon, Texas, and Georgia to beat them.

ND can hang with the rest of a tight pack, as others have described it, to be 50:50.

I saw the Wisconsin and Oregon game. Just like with ND, take it in holistic across the season context. Oregon pulled it out when they were lackluster...and have hit heights and consistency in a tough schedule ND hasn't.

And even with Georgia, play their schedule. You seem to think the SEC has severely declined, but I disagree. Any team would find it tough to play Florida and South Carolina in their homes...teams capable of a surge game to beat other decent teams.

All good, everybody has their opinion. I tune my based on these discussions. I posted overall where I stand. A top 4 with a tight pack after that...where ND is fully justified.

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It was that egregiously bad, and EVERYBODY acknowledges this! But it is one game of 11 played by ND, and ND has not only won the other 10, but has increasingly looked very good doing so. My stated concern coming into this season was the play of the OL; and frankly, that is still my concern when we go up against better competition. As for whether we should be ranked ahead or behind Penn St., I have no opinion as I’ve only seen Penn St play once. But you’ve watched every ND game, and you refuse to marginalize their one shitty second game of a highly successful season to date.


Solid points. I highlighted a specific one you made. Throw on RL and Denbrock.

Against, like you said...better competition!

That is my focus and concern.

Again, ND can go in any game in my book with any opponent 50:50 by now...with those specific concerns that might make the margin of difference...but would not be favored vs Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia, and Texas.

I'll keep beating the dead horse: I weight things like this because of the NIU loss and schedule. I will champion ND, my team...but as a long suffering fan since 1988, I've seen various situations. The burden of proof is on The Irish.

I'm seeing crystal sparkles of hope...praying they materialize. Maybe this is the year?
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