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- Thread starter Patrish
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Some programs are going to go the portal route more than others. And everything in between.
I personally believe the transfer portal has been very good for us.
I personally believe the transfer portal has been very good for us.
HS recruiting is more important than ever because it's the best -- maybe only -- place to find star players and if you miss on a lot of top guys on the recruiting trail, you can fill holes easily/quickly in the transfer portal.
The portal = endless list of JAGS/org depth.
HS recruiting = top prospects in the game
But Notre Dame doesn't recruit the top prospects in the game so the roster is just going to be full of guys who don't really separate in terms of their individual impact which has been the case since the Swarbrick era started
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I’d like to see how it plays out
Let’s see in 5 yrs the data shows.
All I know is since the transfer portal became available we have gotten better as a program.
I really do appreciate your optimism because I'm having a hard time conjuring any up myself
We got like 20 years of track record up to this point including the last class that just signed on the 5th of February
No matter how deep you dig there's just not a whole lot of evidence that suggests there is something greater on the horizon
I believe ND will continue to use the portal as they have, to fill in the gaps.
Your point is to High school recruiting.
My point is HS recruiting AND the transfer portal. ND had so many seasons where the defense was great but offense was terrible and vise versa.
Too many seasons where a specific position group lacked the talent and depth.
The transfer portal at least gives us a chance to shore up those areas instead of no option at all .
In addition
I firmly believe that a fifth year senior type transfer portal player who has emerged as a key contributor is more effective than a freshman 5 star player who has proven nothing other than he’s considered a elite player. Second , They still need to be developed and pan out.
Third the 5 th year guy is around 23-24 years old compared to 18-19. The physical and mental maturity is significant .
Blending both tactics is the winning formula in my opinion.
Good post. I always appreciate an on topic spirited discussion about the content of the post.
1. A 5 star FR isn't considered an elite player, he's considered an elite prospect. It is an important distinction. Elite prospects have elite tools that can be developed into an elite player.
2. These elite FBS players are usually 3 & done (they stick with the same school that originally signed and developed them) and then leave early for NFL, and the ones that stay for 4th or 5th years are those rare elite players in college whose games dont translate that well to the NFL, or they are back end draft prospects/UDFA types who might as well finish their education and play football 1 more year. Point being: there aren't a bunch of elite players in college that are 4th and 5th year guys.
3. Kind of continuing the point from #1. The reasons that make a top percentile prospect a top percentile prospect is because they have top percentile size, strength, speed, agility, etc. even at 16-18 years old. They are so skilled so young that they step foot onto campus day 1 with the potential to be one of the best players in the nation (even at the D1 level amongst dudes 5+ years older than them). Skill > Experience.
So bringing in a bunch of 4th or 5th year guys usually means you are bringing in lesser talented players to fill holes than you could bring in on the recruiting trail otherwise. But ND recruits a lot of 3 & 4 star players, so when they bring guys in from the portal, the opportunity cost that they are paying isn't as high as some other teams who mostly sign 4 & 5 star players.
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I dont think the current transfer portal era is vastly different than how ND was utilizing 5th year incoming transfer seniors prior to the transfer portal era. A lot of hole-patching going on on the roster but not a whole lot of difference making (if you will)
ND has tons of JAGS/org depth on their 85 man roster already though by way of virtually ignoring most of the composite top 100 prospects in the game on the recruiting trail (FOR SOME GOD FORSAKEN REASON!?!). As a result, it's the elite players (vis-à-vis recruiting elite prospects) that Notre Dame DESPERATELY needs on their 85-man roster in SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER NUMBERS
Also, the reason why ND has been good on offense and not on defense--and visa versa--or have had stars at different position groups over the years, but not all at the same time on one team, is EXACTLY WHY recruiting needs to improve in a dramatic way.
The teams that win national titles are teams that have top offenses and defenses at the same time (OSU 2024 is a perfect example) typically made possible by recruiting the top offensive and defensive prospects in the greatest numbers (essentially what the recruiting rankings like the 247 composite are showing us every year) leading up to their national title victory.
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The portal now is a free for all free agency type operation. Way more players available to potentially sign. Way more players entering it because they don’t have to sit out anymore either.
As far as recruiting I agree we need to sign more higher rated players. I think that goes without saying really. Every program should strive to recruit and sign the very best class they can possibly get.
Like it or not Notre Dame is not for everyone and even IF ND did sign all of the composite five stars many if not most would flunk out before ever seeing the field. Then what ? You have a major roster deficiency that’s what.
Again just my opinion.
I can agree for the most part except the transfer portal being like 5th year transfers.
The portal now is a free for all free agency type operation. Way more players available to potentially sign. Way more players entering it because they don’t have to sit out anymore either.
As far as recruiting I agree we need to sign more higher rated players. I think that goes without saying really. Every program should strive to recruit and sign the very best class they can possibly get.
Like it or not Notre Dame is not for everyone and even IF ND did sign all of the composite five stars many if not most would flunk out before ever seeing the field. Then what ? You have a major roster deficiency that’s what.
Again just my opinion.
