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Where does kelly's record rank historically at ND?

Oh, so the reason Ara, Leahy, Rockne...others had success was because the deck was stacked in their favor. That's about as disgraceful an insult as it gets when it comes to these ND football legends/masterminds. kelly isn't capable of understanding fundamental football math. He's an idiot. Keep up the excuse making. It's what kelly does too.....

Here's a list of coaches from the college ranks (some may have retired moved on). I'd take just about all over our underwhelming pork chop. There are plenty of other HC prospects in the NFL/retired/other leagues also....

Steve Addazio
Gary Andersen
Blake Anderson
Dino Babers

David Bailiff
Frank Beamer

David Beaty
Todd Berry

Bret Bielema
Mike Bobo
Craig Bohl
John Bonamego
Terry Bowden
Art Briles
Jeff Brohm
Neal Brown
Troy Calhoun
Matt Campbell
Ron Caragher
Rod Carey
Norm Chow
Paul Chryst
Dave Clawson
Larry Coker
Chris Creighton
Bill Cubit
David Cutcliffe
Mark Dantonio
Bob Davie
Tim DeRuyter
Bob Diaco
Dave Doeren
Sonny Dykes
Randy Edsall
Larry Fedora
Kirk Ferentz
Jimbo Fisher
Pat Fitzgerald
P.J. Fleck
Kyle Flood
Dennis Franchione
James Franklin
Hugh Freeze
Willie Fritz
Justin Fuente
Al Golden
Todd Graham
Mike Gundy
Jim Harbaugh
Bryan Harsin
Paul Haynes
Darrell Hazell
Mark Helfrich
Tom Herman
Dana Holgorsen
Doc Holliday
Skip Holtz
Mark Hudspeth
Paul Johnson
Curtis Johnson
Butch Jones
Joey Jones
Jerry Kill
Kliff Kingsbury
Sean Kugler
Brad Lambert
Mike Leach
Lance Leipold
Pete Lembo
Mike London
Rocky Long
Mike MacIntyre
Gus Malzahn
Chuck Martin
Doug Martin
Derek Mason
Dan McCarney
Jim McElwain
Ruffin McNeill
Bronco Mendenhall
Urban Meyer
Les Miles
Trent Miles
Jeff Monken
Todd Monken
Philip Montgomery
Jim Mora
Chad Morris
Dan Mullen
Pat Narduzzi
Ken Niumatalolo
George O'Leary
Charlie Partridge
Gary Patterson
Chris Petersen
Bobby Petrino
Paul Petrino
Gary Pinkel
Brian Polian
Paul Rhoads
Matt Rhule
Mark Richt
Mike Riley
Rich Rodriguez
Nick Saban
Tony Sanchez
Steve Sarkisian
Scott Satterfield
Scott Shafer
David Shaw
Bill Snyder
Frank Solich
Steve Spurrier
Rick Stockstill
Bob Stoops
Mark Stoops
Charlie Strong
Kevin Sumlin
Dabo Swinney
Willie Taggart
Tommy Tuberville
Ron Turner
Matt Wells
Mark Whipple
Kyle Whittingham
Bobby Wilder
Kevin Wilson
this just shows how stupid you are when it comes to any knowledge of the game whatsoever. i nominate that as the "most stupid post in message board history ". a new low, even for you.
 
this just shows how stupid you are when it comes to any knowledge of the game whatsoever. i nominate that as the "most stupid post in message board history ". a new low, even for you.

Yep, kelly is at a terrible disadvantage when it come to the college football landscape. Let's discuss a few of them.

The following is not meant to be all inclusive. For starters, there's no advantage to our players being on national television weekly for 4 years. What other school can say that? There's no advantage to being the best known catholic university in the world. Our facilities are superior and being upgraded. There's no advantage to us being # 1 in placing players in the NFL. There's no advantage to being in the top 10 for current NFL players. There's no advantage to us having the most members in the NFL Hall of Fame. We are tied with players, but DeBartolo puts us at 13. There's no advantage to us having the second most NFL pro bowlers. There's no advantage to having the most Heisman's. There's no advantage to being co-ed and having an all girls school up the road. Our national championship record and tradition speaks for itself. Our commitment to off field academic excellence is an advantage.

Our biggest disadvantage is having a head coach that is basically a zero when it comes to personality and someone who can't cut it on the field. In addition, recruits know he is someone that lacks loyalty and openly lies. His behavior has been lambasted/vilified by many media sources and there are plenty of recruits/parents/families that are turned off by him. He has been involved in scandalous/ignorant behavior since his days at cmu. In addition, we have had scandal after scandal under his watch. His behavior, that behavior and our inability to deliver consistent winning big game performances are examples of detriments/hindrances to our recruiting. Fortunately, the historic long term Notre Dame tradition/reputation of excellence can overcome plenty of warts.

You are so far over your skis about DII and lower tier coaching as validation it's laughable. Your admitting to taking 'roids while in school tells me all I need to know about your integrity, moral compass and sportsmanship. Talk about "stupid".....
 
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Yep, kelly is at a terrible disadvantage when it come to the college football landscape. Let's discuss a few of them.

The following is not meant to be all inclusive. For starters, there's no advantage to our players being on national television weekly for 4 years. What other school can say that? There's no advantage to being the best known catholic university in the world. Our facilities are superior and being upgraded. There's no advantage to us being # 1 in placing players in the NFL. There's no advantage to being in the top 10 for current NFL players. There's no advantage to us having the most members in the NFL Hall of Fame. We are tied with players, but DeBartolo puts us at 13. There's no advantage to us having the second most NFL pro bowlers. There's no advantage to having the most Heisman's. There's no advantage to being co-ed and having an all girls school up the road. Our national championship record and tradition speaks for itself. Our commitment to off field academic excellence is an advantage.

Our biggest disadvantage is having a head coach that is basically a zero when it comes to personality and someone who can't cut it on the field. In addition, recruits know he is someone that lacks loyalty and openly lies. His behavior has been lambasted/vilified by many media sources and there are plenty of recruits/parents/families that are turned off by him. He has been involved in scandalous/ignorant behavior since his days at cmu. In addition, we have had scandal after scandal under his watch. His behavior, that behavior and our inability to deliver consistent winning big game performances are examples of detriments/hindrances to our recruiting. Fortunately, the historic long term Notre Dame tradition/reputation of excellence can overcome plenty of warts.

You are so far over your skis about DII and lower tier coaching as validation it's laughable. Your admitting to taking 'roids while in school tells me all I need to know about your integrity, moral compass and sportsmanship. Talk about "stupid".....
that list of yours is amusing i'll give you that. that said there are a handful on there that i think are better coaches than kelly. not sure anyone of them though are a better fit given the program parameters at notre dame.
 
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Oh, so the reason Ara, Leahy, Rockne...others had success was because the deck was stacked in their favor. That's about as disgraceful an insult as it gets when it comes to these ND football legends/masterminds. kelly isn't capable of understanding fundamental football math. He's an idiot. Keep up the excuse making. It's what kelly does too.....

Here's a list of coaches from the college ranks (some may have retired moved on). I'd take just about all over our underwhelming pork chop. There are plenty of other HC prospects in the NFL/retired/other leagues also....

Steve Addazio
Gary Andersen
Blake Anderson
Dino Babers

David Bailiff
Frank Beamer

David Beaty
Todd Berry

Bret Bielema
Mike Bobo
Craig Bohl
John Bonamego
Terry Bowden
Art Briles
Jeff Brohm
Neal Brown
Troy Calhoun
Matt Campbell
Ron Caragher
Rod Carey
Norm Chow
Paul Chryst
Dave Clawson
Larry Coker
Chris Creighton
Bill Cubit
David Cutcliffe
Mark Dantonio
Bob Davie
Tim DeRuyter
Bob Diaco
Dave Doeren
Sonny Dykes
Randy Edsall
Larry Fedora
Kirk Ferentz
Jimbo Fisher
Pat Fitzgerald
P.J. Fleck
Kyle Flood
Dennis Franchione
James Franklin
Hugh Freeze
Willie Fritz
Justin Fuente
Al Golden
Todd Graham
Mike Gundy
Jim Harbaugh
Bryan Harsin
Paul Haynes
Darrell Hazell
Mark Helfrich
Tom Herman
Dana Holgorsen
Doc Holliday
Skip Holtz
Mark Hudspeth
Paul Johnson
Curtis Johnson
Butch Jones
Joey Jones
Jerry Kill
Kliff Kingsbury
Sean Kugler
Brad Lambert
Mike Leach
Lance Leipold
Pete Lembo
Mike London
Rocky Long
Mike MacIntyre
Gus Malzahn
Chuck Martin
Doug Martin
Derek Mason
Dan McCarney
Jim McElwain
Ruffin McNeill
Bronco Mendenhall
Urban Meyer
Les Miles
Trent Miles
Jeff Monken
Todd Monken
Philip Montgomery
Jim Mora
Chad Morris
Dan Mullen
Pat Narduzzi
Ken Niumatalolo
George O'Leary
Charlie Partridge
Gary Patterson
Chris Petersen
Bobby Petrino
Paul Petrino
Gary Pinkel
Brian Polian
Paul Rhoads
Matt Rhule
Mark Richt
Mike Riley
Rich Rodriguez
Nick Saban
Tony Sanchez
Steve Sarkisian
Scott Satterfield
Scott Shafer
David Shaw
Bill Snyder
Frank Solich
Steve Spurrier
Rick Stockstill
Bob Stoops
Mark Stoops
Charlie Strong
Kevin Sumlin
Dabo Swinney
Willie Taggart
Tommy Tuberville
Ron Turner
Matt Wells
Mark Whipple
Kyle Whittingham
Bobby Wilder
Kevin Wilson

Hilarious comedy bits at this point. Not worth responding to other than to reply so everyone can get a good look at either the stupidity or hilarity in your viewpoint.
 
Yep, kelly is at a terrible disadvantage when it come to the college football landscape. Let's discuss a few of them.

The following is not meant to be all inclusive. For starters, there's no advantage to our players being on national television weekly for 4 years. What other school can say that? There's no advantage to being the best known catholic university in the world. Our facilities are superior and being upgraded. There's no advantage to us being # 1 in placing players in the NFL. There's no advantage to being in the top 10 for current NFL players. There's no advantage to us having the most members in the NFL Hall of Fame. We are tied with players, but DeBartolo puts us at 13. There's no advantage to us having the second most NFL pro bowlers. There's no advantage to having the most Heisman's. There's no advantage to being co-ed and having an all girls school up the road. Our national championship record and tradition speaks for itself. Our commitment to off field academic excellence is an advantage.

Our biggest disadvantage is having a head coach that is basically a zero when it comes to personality and someone who can't cut it on the field. In addition, recruits know he is someone that lacks loyalty and openly lies. His behavior has been lambasted/vilified by many media sources and there are plenty of recruits/parents/families that are turned off by him. He has been involved in scandalous/ignorant behavior since his days at cmu. In addition, we have had scandal after scandal under his watch. His behavior, that behavior and our inability to deliver consistent winning big game performances are examples of detriments/hindrances to our recruiting. Fortunately, the historic long term Notre Dame tradition/reputation of excellence can overcome plenty of warts.

You are so far over your skis about DII and lower tier coaching as validation it's laughable. Your admitting to taking 'roids while in school tells me all I need to know about your integrity, moral compass and sportsmanship. Talk about "stupid".....
wow, citing my experimenting with the juice is the best you can come up with ? your continued uneducated assault on the lower divisions of college football just further illustrates your ignorance. your one man crusade is much like vaudeville......dead.
 
wow, citing my experimenting with the juice is the best you can come up with ? your continued uneducated assault on the lower divisions of college football just further illustrates your ignorance. your one man crusade is much like vaudeville......dead.

What you call "experimenting" most call cheating...... well done....
 
Never did it during the season. I did experiment with it in the winter and spring of 88-89. Nice try though.

Got it. You believe off season cheating is okay....

Again, "What you call "experimenting" most call cheating...... well done...."
 
Hilarious comedy bits at this point. Not worth responding to other than to reply so everyone can get a good look at either the stupidity or hilarity in your viewpoint.

In other words, what I have written is irrefutable and you have no cogent reply.

"Fact of the matter is bk is the best coach at ND since holtz by about any measure."

What a yardstick....
 
Have you all realized again why cgvr is such an asshole? My God, his family must hate him!
 
You are really foolish attributing me to being Argusman. I suppose I should take it as a compliment, but I have never seen his first post, yet he is legendary here.
 
that list of yours is amusing i'll give you that. that said there are a handful on there that i think are better coaches than kelly. not sure anyone of them though are a better fit given the program parameters at notre dame.
I do like the fact each and every year coach Kelly has implemented more of the running game. I think the back field this season can carry the team if the online stays healthy
 
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