"We shop in a different aisle"

[FLballcoach1]

This was the pregame quote from Brian Kelly before the Stanford game in regards to recruiting. Last I checked if you need to buy milk, you go down the aisle that has the milk, So if ND wants to play football at the level of Ohio State and Alabama, they will need to shop for players in the same aisle as Alabama, Ohio State and soon to be Michigan.

Otherwise ND even with premiere coaching will probably be in the 9 to 10 win zone. Unfortunately it takes 11 to 12 wins to qualify for the Final Four. Message board gurus and wannabe savants whom never stepped foot between the white lines or played or coached a snap of football in their lives, desperately cling to the notion that ND has National Championship talent but can't find the right coach, Well, every "National Championship" coach knows you cannot win a National Title at ND. That's why they don't come to ND. And if the this guy (Brian Kelly) can't get it done, I can assure you no one else will either.

ND has some Pro Prospects but Ohio State and Alabama have more Pro Players, That's why the 2012 National Championship Game and the 2016 Fiesta Bowl Game happen, And I can assure you if Brian Kelly would of switched sidelines with Meyer and Saban, the final scores of the those games would of been the same,

 

[twalsh]

This was the pregame quote from Brian Kelly before the Stanford game in regards to recruiting. Last I checked if you need to buy milk, you go down the aisle that has the milk, So if ND wants to play football at the level of Ohio State and Alabama, they will need to shop for players in the same aisle as Alabama, Ohio State and soon to be Michigan.

Otherwise ND even with premiere coaching will probably be in the 9 to 10 win zone. Unfortunately it takes 11 to 12 wins to qualify for the Final Four. Message board gurus and wannabe savants whom never stepped foot between the white lines or played or coached a snap of football in their lives, desperately cling to the notion that ND has National Championship talent but can't find the right coach, Well, every "National Championship" coach knows you cannot win a National Title at ND. That's why they don't come to ND. And if the this guy (Brian Kelly) can't get it done, I can assure you no one else will either.

ND has some Pro Prospects but Ohio State and Alabama have more Pro Players, That's why the 2012 National Championship Game and the 2016 Fiesta Bowl Game happen, And I can assure you if Brian Kelly would of switched sidelines with Meyer and Saban, the final scores of the those games would of been the same,

Duly noted. Did this just hit you today?

 

[Duo]

Wanna play with the big boys? It takes a big time D. Clemson had the necessary offense to beat Bama but was a couple of players short on D. As a Pro comparison..........look at the Denver Broncos. Their D got to Tom Brady 20...................that's right 20 times and just barely beat the Pats. That's what it takes to win the big ones.

 

[IrishBlooded]

The last time Alabama officially lost to an ACC team was in 1984. Against Boston College.

Fun fact for the day

 

[NDSMC78]

The last time Alabama officially lost to an ACC team was in 1984. Against Boston College.

Fun fact for the day

BC was not in the ACC in 1984.

 

[twalsh]

The last time Alabama officially lost to an ACC team was in 1984. Against Boston College.

Fun fact for the day

Wow. The late 70s until Saban got there was a pretty low period in Alabama football history, minus finding the proverbial acorn in 1992. Amazing that they didn't lose another ACC game over the past 31 years. How many did they play?

I also might mention that I was at that game in 1984, played at Sullivan Stadium in Foxboro in a late fall monsoon. Freezing cold, rain blowing straight sideways. My buds and I made it to halftime and surrendered.

 

[iwish]

This was the pregame quote from Brian Kelly before the Stanford game in regards to recruiting. Last I checked if you need to buy milk, you go down the aisle that has the milk, So if ND wants to play football at the level of Ohio State and Alabama, they will need to shop for players in the same aisle as Alabama, Ohio State and soon to be Michigan.

Otherwise ND even with premiere coaching will probably be in the 9 to 10 win zone. Unfortunately it takes 11 to 12 wins to qualify for the Final Four. Message board gurus and wannabe savants whom never stepped foot between the white lines or played or coached a snap of football in their lives, desperately cling to the notion that ND has National Championship talent but can't find the right coach, Well, every "National Championship" coach knows you cannot win a National Title at ND. That's why they don't come to ND. And if the this guy (Brian Kelly) can't get it done, I can assure you no one else will either.

ND has some Pro Prospects but Ohio State and Alabama have more Pro Players, That's why the 2012 National Championship Game and the 2016 Fiesta Bowl Game happen, And I can assure you if Brian Kelly would of switched sidelines with Meyer and Saban, the final scores of the those games would of been the same,

Perspective on his quote: "If they want to come here just to hang their hat to play football and go to the NFL, we passed on some pretty good players, because I don't want guys to come here and not finish their degree," Kelly said. "I want guys to come to Notre Dame, get their degree, help us win a national championship, and be the No.1 pick in the NFL Draft. That's what I want, if that's what they want."

 

[cgvr]

This was the pregame quote from Brian Kelly before the Stanford game in regards to recruiting. Last I checked if you need to buy milk, you go down the aisle that has the milk, So if ND wants to play football at the level of Ohio State and Alabama, they will need to shop for players in the same aisle as Alabama, Ohio State and soon to be Michigan.

Otherwise ND even with premiere coaching will probably be in the 9 to 10 win zone. Unfortunately it takes 11 to 12 wins to qualify for the Final Four. Message board gurus and wannabe savants whom never stepped foot between the white lines or played or coached a snap of football in their lives, desperately cling to the notion that ND has National Championship talent but can't find the right coach, Well, every "National Championship" coach knows you cannot win a National Title at ND. That's why they don't come to ND. And if the this guy (Brian Kelly) can't get it done, I can assure you no one else will either.

ND has some Pro Prospects but Ohio State and Alabama have more Pro Players, That's why the 2012 National Championship Game and the 2016 Fiesta Bowl Game happen, And I can assure you if Brian Kelly would of switched sidelines with Meyer and Saban, the final scores of the those games would of been the same,

In the last 4 years ohio state has had 18 guys selected in the NFL draft.

2012 4
2013 3
2014 6
2015 5

In the last 4 years ND has had 19 guys selected on the draft. So, even with the handicap of having only Koyack selected last year we outproduced the NFL draft picks of ohio state.

2012 4
2013 6
2014 8
2015 1

In addition. kelly is no where close to saban or meyer..... He has established zero identity on either side of the ball in 6 years. Our special teams are underwhelming. He's a crappy head coach. Right now if Shaw and his staff switched to ND we'd be in the hunt annually.... If we had Harbaugh we'd move towards domination....

 

[pant_load]

Is Stanford out of that aisle? I guess Stanford is more of a 40 year decision that ND per Robertson.

 

[michigaNDer#1]

Wanna play with the big boys? It takes a big time D. Clemson had the necessary offense to beat Bama but was a couple of players short on D. As a Pro comparison..........look at the Denver Broncos. Their D got to Tom Brady 20...................that's right 20 times and just barely beat the Pats. That's what it takes to win the big ones.

Disagree. Clemson's D was good enough. Offense was good enough. Special teams and a very savvy onside kick call were the difference. Didn't help that one of the best DBs was injured and out of most of the game for Clemson.

 

[twalsh]

Disagree. Clemson's D was good enough. Offense was good enough. Special teams and a very savvy onside kick call were the difference. Didn't help that one of the best DBs was injured and out of most of the game for Clemson.

Wasn't Bama the team that gave up over 500 yards?

 

[michigaNDer#1]

Wasn't Bama the team that gave up over 500 yards?

Shhh!

 

[john0gaunt]

Message board gurus and wannabe savants whom never stepped foot between the white lines or played or coached a snap of football in their lives

I'm sure I am in there somewhere, but I have to tell you, the more things change the more they stay the same. I remember when Lou was here he never had the talent that the convicts had or the OSU teams had. It was said then that only 2 or 3 of those ND guys would have started for the other teams. But Lou usually gave them a pretty good fight. If it's all right with you, I'm gonna keep my expectations right where they are. Coach Kelly is keeping us in it until the last play of the game against the best in the game. I'll take it.

 

[irish4life888]

I'm sure I am in there somewhere, but I have to tell you, the more things change the more they stay the same. I remember when Lou was here he never had the talent that the convicts had or the OSU teams had. It was said then that only 2 or 3 of those ND guys would have started for the other teams. But Lou usually gave them a pretty good fight. If it's all right with you, I'm gonna keep my expectations right where they are. Coach Kelly is keeping us in it until the last play of the game against the best in the game. I'll take it.

Not sure that I totally agree with this statement. ND had a LOT of great players during Lou. I would say that if they had star rankings back then, they would look more like the Alabama and OSU teams of today. I mean from 88 to 92 ND had over thirty players drafted into the NFL. The 88 team had six All Americans. If Kelly had that defense, forget about it!

 

[IrishBlessings]

In the last 4 years ohio state has had 18 guys selected in the NFL draft.

2012 4
2013 3
2014 6
2015 5

In the last 4 years ND has had 19 guys selected on the draft. So, even with the handicap of having only Koyack selected last year we outproduced the NFL draft picks of ohio state.

2012 4
2013 6
2014 8
2015 1

In addition. kelly is no where close to saban or meyer..... He has established zero identity on either side of the ball in 6 years. Our special teams are underwhelming. He's a crappy head coach. Right now if Shaw and his staff switched to ND we'd be in the hunt annually.... If we had Harbaugh we'd move towards domination....

As much as CVGR dislikes BK and is many times tough to stomach - I agree pretty much w/ the above assessment. Although Harbaugh antics would make him a short timer at ND and let's see how long Harbaugh lasts at UM. And as a side note = Jimmy is prone to in game coaching blunders - look at his teams play calling at the 5 yard line w/ a chance to win a Super Bowl. He and his O coordinator called some of the worst plays a coach can call. JH has an ego as big as the big house - he loves being in the limelight and pulling his charades - he knows dam well the spotlight is always on him and he fuels the flames w/ his bull shit antics and quips.

 

[cgvr]

As much as CVGR dislikes BK and is many times tough to stomach - I agree pretty much w/ the above assessment. Although Harbaugh antics would make him a short timer at ND and let's see how long Harbaugh lasts at UM. And as a side note = Jimmy is prone to in game coaching blunders - look at his teams play calling at the 5 yard line w/ a chance to win a Super Bowl. He and his O coordinator called some of the worst plays a coach can call. JH has an ego as big as the big house - he loves being in the limelight and pulling his charades - he knows dam well the spotlight is always on him and he fuels the flames w/ his bull shit antics and quips.

Imo If they hand it to Gore they win it....

 

[Bodizephax]

Imo If they hand it to Gore they win it....

Excuses !! Excuses !!

 

[cgvr]

Excuses !! Excuses !!

I think you need a dictionary.

 

[twalsh]

I think you need a dictionary.

Yeah, an odd use of the word "excuse".

 

[FightingIrish44]

ND had a ton of injuries but still finished 10-3 with three losses to teams #2-#4. Two of them in heart breaking fashion. I'll take it.

It would be great to have USC talent from 2002-2009, but few teams have that luxury. ND can win a title with the talent they're getting. 2012 was because of poor preparation rather than a lack of talent.

 

[BGI User 1596]

Is Stanford out of that aisle? I guess Stanford is more of a 40 year decision that ND per Robertson.

Stanford is first tier like Oxford and Cambridge.

 

[FLballcoach1]

Wasn't Bama the team that gave up over 500 yards?

I'll tell you what if you were a coach of team and we had equal offensive personnel and I had Alabama;s defensive personnel and you had ND's defensive personnel I would beat you 9 times out of 10. Easy,

ND does not play elite defense, because ND does not have elite defensive personnel. All this blathering on about coaching is nonsense, The "Board Guru's" determined that Bob Diaco was too "Vanilla" too "Bend but Don't Break" did not "Attack" or "Confuse" the opponent. As if 99.99% of you knew how to coordinate defense at any level,

Now, this DC is too "Complex" and the players are "Fundamentally Unsound" and "Confused" yadda, yadda yadda. The reality is you can scheme up an offense, cover up athletic deficiencies and score points. Systems like the Run & Shoot, Air Raid, and Flexbone prove that every week, Or you can have a player like DeShone Watson or Johnny Manziel that can drive an Alabama crazy. But on defense you have to physically and consistently win 1 on 1 match ups at every level DL, LB and DB, That takes talent. ND doesn't have enough. And that's why they do not and have not played elite defense since the late 80's. Bob Davie, Greg Mattison, Bob Diaco and BVG are elite coaches, But you can't make chicken salad out of chicken crap.

 

[cgvr]

As much as CVGR dislikes BK and is many times tough to stomach - I agree pretty much w/ the above assessment. Although Harbaugh antics would make him a short timer at ND and let's see how long Harbaugh lasts at UM. And as a side note = Jimmy is prone to in game coaching blunders - look at his teams play calling at the 5 yard line w/ a chance to win a Super Bowl. He and his O coordinator called some of the worst plays a coach can call. JH has an ego as big as the big house - he loves being in the limelight and pulling his charades - he knows dam well the spotlight is always on him and he fuels the flames w/ his bull shit antics and quips.

"College programs with the most alums on NFL Week 1 rosters"

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ams-with-the-most-alums-on-nfl-week-1-rosters

Total NFL players by school....

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/schools/

 

[FLballcoach1]

ND had a ton of injuries but still finished 10-3 with three losses to teams #2-#4. Two of them in heart breaking fashion. I'll take it.

It would be great to have USC talent from 2002-2009, but few teams have that luxury. ND can win a title with the talent they're getting. 2012 was because of poor preparation rather than a lack of talent.

2012 happened because NFL players like DJ Fluker, Chance Warmack, Amari Cooper, Eddie Lacy, Dee Milliner, CJ Mosely, Ha Ha Clinton Dix, Landon Collins, TJ Yeldon, Barrett Jones and AJ McCarron ran over a ND team that featured what?

Teo, Eifert and Z Martin? Outside of those 3 guys who on the ND 2 deep could match up with what Alabama had to offer? Preparation? Please! There's not enough preparation in the world to overcome that much disparity in NFL Talent.

 

[BGI User 1596]

Even B&G Senior Editor Lou Spluge & his expert Brian Driskell have a podcast rant saying that the BVG "D" is a load of crap and needs to be simplified.

 

[twalsh]

Even B&G Senior Editor Lou Spluge & his expert Brian Driskell have a podcast rant saying that the BVG "D" is a load of crap and needs to be simplified.

Austin Collingsworth just said the same thing recently. And that not being exactly sure of what you're supposed to be doing leads to players being tentative.

 

[cgvr]

2012 happened because NFL players like DJ Fluker, Chance Warmack, Amari Cooper, Eddie Lacy, Dee Milliner, CJ Mosely, Ha Ha Clinton Dix, Landon Collins, TJ Yeldon, Barrett Jones and AJ McCarron ran over a ND team that featured what?

Teo, Eifert and Z Martin? Outside of those 3 guys who on the ND 2 deep could match up with what Alabama had to offer? Preparation? Please! There's not enough preparation in the world to overcome that much disparity in NFL Talent.

Huh?

Zack Martin T Dallas Cowboys
Stephon Tuitt DT Pittsburgh Steelers
Troy Niklas TE Arizona Cardinals
Louis Nix DT Houston Texans
Chris Watt G San Diego Chargers
Prince Shembo OLB Atlanta Falcons
Bennett Jackson DB New York Giants
T.J. Jones WR Detroit Lions
Tyler Eifert TE Cincinnati Bengals
Manti Te'o ILB San Diego Chargers
Jamoris Slaughter SS Cleveland Browns
Theo Riddick RB Detroit Lions
Kapron Lewis-Moore DE Baltimore Ravens
Zeke Motta FS Atlanta Falcons



















Zeke Motta

FS

Atlanta Falcons

 

[FightingIrish44]

2012 happened because NFL players like DJ Fluker, Chance Warmack, Amari Cooper, Eddie Lacy, Dee Milliner, CJ Mosely, Ha Ha Clinton Dix, Landon Collins, TJ Yeldon, Barrett Jones and AJ McCarron ran over a ND team that featured what?

Teo, Eifert and Z Martin? Outside of those 3 guys who on the ND 2 deep could match up with what Alabama had to offer? Preparation? Please! There's not enough preparation in the world to overcome that much disparity in NFL Talent.

What's with the condescension all the time? Seriously, no one likes someone who acts like a prick all the time for no reason.

You said you coach right? As the 2012 season was playing out, did you evaluate the games from a coaches perspective?

I did evaluate and it was easy for me to see that the team that showed up vs. Bama was not the same team from all year. Simple as that.

 

[Pennick4]

Even B&G Senior Editor Lou Spluge & his expert Brian Driskell have a podcast rant saying that the BVG "D" is a load of crap and needs to be simplified.

Well if they say so than it has to be true.

 

[McIlhennyIrish]

We shop in the aisle of 3-4 star discounts. 8-5, 9-4, maybe 10-3 seasons. Players are not NC caliber. Even when they ove-rperform, Kelly blows the game with a ridiculous call.

 

[BGI User 1596]

Well if they say so than it has to be true.

Yeah - they get paid to look at it - you wish you had a job other than flipping burgers.

 

[South Bender]

Even B&G Senior Editor Lou Spluge & his expert Brian Driskell have a podcast rant saying that the BVG "D" is a load of crap and needs to be simplified.

Wait, wait, wait. Is this guy's last name actually "Spluge"??? Is that a typo?

 

[HuddleBurger]

This thread is another with high entertainment value IMO. This Florida coach dude comes on here with his smug pronouncements, insinuating that he knows more about ND's talent level and coaching ability than other posters based on his own real-world coaching experience, then gets proven completely wrong by other posters based on factual evidence. Truly a classic whooping.

 

[cgvr]

This thread is another with high entertainment value IMO. This Florida coach dude comes on here with his smug pronouncements, insinuating that he knows more about ND's talent level and coaching ability than other posters based on his own real-world coaching experience, then gets proven completely wrong by other posters based on factual evidence. Truly a classic whooping.

There was a song years ago called "Bette Davis Eyes".

The FL towel boy's song would be "Barry Bonds Head"....

 

[HuddleBurger]

 

[cgvr]

He's having a rough off season....

 

[Bodizephax]

There was a song years ago called "Bette Davis Eyes".

The FL towel boy's song would be "Barry Bonds Head"....

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[FLballcoach1]

This thread is another with high entertainment value IMO. This Florida coach dude comes on here with his smug pronouncements, insinuating that he knows more about ND's talent level and coaching ability than other posters based on his own real-world coaching experience, then gets proven completely wrong by other posters based on factual evidence. Truly a classic whooping.

You've proven yourself to not only be football illiterate but a liar on top of it, I never insinuated I was more knowledgeable, I am flat out stating it as fact,. But even the barely functional special needs poster like you and brethren on this thread should be able to ascertain that the 2012 Alabama team had VASTLY better players, You would think anyway? But I have learned to never underestimate the sheer ignorance and utter incompetence of this puppet show.

 

[twalsh]

You've proven yourself to not only be football illiterate but a liar on top of it, I never insinuated I was more knowledgeable, I am flat out stating it as fact,. But even the barely functional special needs poster like you and brethren on this thread should be able to ascertain that the 2012 Alabama team had VASTLY better players, You would think anyway? But I have learned to never underestimate the sheer ignorance and utter incompetence of this puppet show.

Yup, salt of the earth humility right there.

 

[cgvr]

You've proven yourself to not only be football illiterate but a liar on top of it, I never insinuated I was more knowledgeable, I am flat out stating it as fact,. But even the barely functional special needs poster like you and brethren on this thread should be able to ascertain that the 2012 Alabama team had VASTLY better players, You would think anyway? But I have learned to never underestimate the sheer ignorance and utter incompetence of this puppet show.

They understood the moment better and won the Championship in the tunnel pre-game. While saban drafted his plan of destruction zeroing in on the only task that mattered kelly was awestruck by the pageantry. His mind also raced with "sugar plum NFL dreams dancing in his head".... We were ill prepared on the biggest stage.... That's on kelly and his staff....

'bama knew every move before kelly made it. It was among the crappiest game preparation ever on top of our star linebacker being demoralized, humiliated by scandal....