Van Gorder

[deadmanramsey]

there's your first mistake. using recruiting rankings to determine how good a team should be. unprepared ? what do you think they do in practice all week ? because the opponent has some success the coaches aren't doing their jobs ? just silly.

I use recruiting rankings to determine overall talent. Talent level to determine if there is a proper correlation and translation to the field.

Look : I'm not gonna sit here and try to defend some strawman argument you are erecting, but how about we just compare our defense to the other defenses around the country.

Where does ND rank and are you satisfied? If so, you just have lower expectations than me and are simply much easier to please. Enjoy settling for mediocrity.

 

[deadmanramsey]

Again. Never post during a game . You are liable to make an a** out of yourself.

Like that performance, did ya?

Yeah, he really showed me. Gave up 6.5 yards a carry with Navy's backup QB in there around half the game. Or did you think we were playing Tommy Frazier's Nebraska team?

Enjoy mediocrity. You're probably the kind of guy who would go to Applebee's for your anniversary.

 

[floridairish]

5-1 isn't mediocre. 50-21 isn't mediocre. 5.5 years in BK is averaging 9 wins and 3 losses per season. This team appears poised to win at least 9 could win as many as 13.

The 8 win argument is fake, the mediocre argument is a lie and as far as Applebee's goes. You should want people to eat there. It will give you plenty of dishes to wash and job security.

 

[88ND]

Like that performance, did ya?

Yeah, he really showed me. Gave up 6.5 yards a carry with Navy's backup QB in there around half the game. Or did you think we were playing Tommy Frazier's Nebraska team?

Enjoy mediocrity. You're probably the kind of guy who would go to Applebee's for your anniversary.

Listen....my problem with BVG is not against tech or navy.....he did a good job having them play assignment football albeit the most simple of schemes....he did do a good job with that. Check my thread out regarding the tackling of Saud defense. If we tackled better those runs would have been minimal. Those tackles weren't broken because those backs are high Sunday picks, they were broken because we are atrocious at open field tackling. Just horrible.
I don't know who is teaching tackling, ...probably collectively the whole defensive staff should be chiming in about it ...either way we are terrible at one on one tackling. And if the back gets in space we are in even more trouble.

Yes I shred BVG for how he handles Jaylon but his scheme against the option was perfect. Our tackling is garbage.....which might still be on him. The defense is his baby. We tackle like shit. ! Period

 

[kellyirish35]

I stand by what I said and my opinion was not formed based on one half of football. He's proven to be an average defensive coordinator at best. With the talent we have, is it really too much to ask for a top 20 defense?

Yeah, let's just ignore the 250 yards rushing in the first half like it never happened. He appears to redeem himself because when you look so horrible for 30 minutes and play competent for the next, you look good in contrast. Also, let's not forget that we faced Navy's BACKUP QB for most of the last 30 minutes.

You feel good about our defense next week? Sorry for expecting championship caliber football in year SIX of a coach's tenure.

So in year six

Like that performance, did ya?

Yeah, he really showed me. Gave up 6.5 yards a carry with Navy's backup QB in there around half the game. Or did you think we were playing Tommy Frazier's Nebraska team?

Enjoy mediocrity. You're probably the kind of guy who would go to Applebee's for your anniversary.

You mentioned Navy's back up QB -- why no mention of ND playing the # 5 team in the country on the road in a monsoon with a freshman backup QB and only losing by 2 pts in spite of the fact that the team turned it over 4 times ---oh I forgot Kelly called for a 2 pt conversion - sorry my bad -- sorry ..

If ND were poorly coached and if Kelly hadn't done a great job with recruiting we lose to Clemson by 28 pts

 

[kellyirish35]

5-1 isn't mediocre. 50-21 isn't mediocre. 5.5 years in BK is averaging 9 wins and 3 losses per season. This team appears poised to win at least 9 could win as many as 13.

The 8 win argument is fake, the mediocre argument is a lie and as far as Applebee's goes. You should want people to eat there. It will give you plenty of dishes to wash and job security.

Fl Irish if Golson had his shit together --- ND goes 11-2 last year maybe 14-0 barring injuries
If Golson has his shit together ND Goes 11-2 in 2013
If Kizer is legit ( jury still out ) ND wins minimum 10 games this year

you have accurately identified the syndrome on this board -- internet rangers think winning 3/4 of your games isn't good enough -- bunch of frustrated non jocks who's closet connection to sports is an HP lap top ...sickening pussies .

 

[deadmanramsey]

5-1 isn't mediocre. 50-21 isn't mediocre. 5.5 years in BK is averaging 9 wins and 3 losses per season. This team appears poised to win at least 9 could win as many as 13.

The 8 win argument is fake, the mediocre argument is a lie and as far as Applebee's goes. You should want people to eat there. It will give you plenty of dishes to wash and job security.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

We are clearly not confronting the same issue. I'm actually a Brian Kelly fan overall. He's done a good job. Why BVG is relevant to Kelly's overall record when he only accounts for 1.5/5.5 seasons is beyond me.

 

[deadmanramsey]

So in year six


You mentioned Navy's back up QB -- why no mention of ND playing the # 5 team in the country on the road in a monsoon with a freshman backup QB and only losing by 2 pts in spite of the fact that the team turned it over 4 times ---oh I forgot Kelly called for a 2 pt conversion - sorry my bad -- sorry ..

If ND were poorly coached and if Kelly hadn't done a great job with recruiting we lose to Clemson by 28 pts

Because I wasn't talking about the offense?

 

[Pennick4]

Like that performance, did ya?

Yeah, he really showed me. Gave up 6.5 yards a carry with Navy's backup QB in there around half the game. Or did you think we were playing Tommy Frazier's Nebraska team?

Enjoy mediocrity. You're probably the kind of guy who would go to Applebee's for your anniversary.

Again never post during a game. Your liable to make an a** out of yourself.

 

[Johnnie82]

I don't see a well coached defense out there. Well coached defenses don't let Umass and Navy take take halfback dives for 50-60 yard TD runs. In four years of Diaco, I don't ever remember defensive breakdowns like that.

in 2010 Navy beat us 35-17. their running backs had at least two runs of over 50 yards (if i remember correctly). one of their backs had over 200 yards rushing. You act like every play should be stopped for no gain or a loss. No defense does that, but you expect ND's to do it. Many of you should only post after the game and spend some time actually watching some football so you can learn a little about the game.

 

[deadmanramsey]

BUMP

 

[deadmanramsey]

367 yards in the first half. Van Garbage strikes again!

 

[perseverare]

at seasons end BVG should be job hunting!

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

A lot if y'all don't get it man. How many of you guys have actually gone through a season of college football as a defensive coach or a defensive coordinator and spend the countless hours breaking down film of different offenses week in and week out and attempt to create a game plan that will shut down or limit a offense? How many of you have honestly done that? If you haven't, then you have no idea what you're talking about. In my opinion, the most difficult job in all of college athletics, other than being a head coach, is being a college football defensive coordinator. It's rare in this day of college football to hear fans calling for the head of an offensive coordinator, but not for a defensive coordinator. Just think about that for a second...

 

[michigaNDer#1]

A lot if y'all don't get it man. How many of you guys have actually gone through a season of college football as a defensive coach or a defensive coordinator and spend the countless hours breaking down film of different offenses week in and week out and attempt to create a game plan that will shut down or limit a offense? How many of you have honestly done that? If you haven't, then you have no idea what you're talking about. In my opinion, the most difficult job in all of college athletics, other than being a head coach, is being a college football defensive coordinator. It's rare in this day of college football to hear fans calling for the head of an offensive coordinator, but not for a defensive coordinator. Just think about that for a second...

Never been my job, but if it was, I'd have 40+ hrs to study film. I think I'd do better than allowing what we have to open the Clemson and USC games.

 

[FightingIrish44]

A lot if y'all don't get it man. How many of you guys have actually gone through a season of college football as a defensive coach or a defensive coordinator and spend the countless hours breaking down film of different offenses week in and week out and attempt to create a game plan that will shut down or limit a offense? How many of you have honestly done that? If you haven't, then you have no idea what you're talking about. In my opinion, the most difficult job in all of college athletics, other than being a head coach, is being a college football defensive coordinator. It's rare in this day of college football to hear fans calling for the head of an offensive coordinator, but not for a defensive coordinator. Just think about that for a second...

What are you talking about? Who cares if we've been a D1 coach or spent 30 hours breaking down film? ND is a poor defesnive team. No one needs to have coached to see that...am I'm someone who has coached.

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

Then by all means, go and coach the defense at ND and come back and tell me how easy it is.

 

[ND/Steel 36 Bus]

VG was a coach under Rex Ryan. they play a gambling D. and when it gets home it does some damage. but when it is hit with the right plays vs this style of D. they make this style of D look bad. how do you think SC fans feel about their D after this game. they have all the horses and the speed and what not. and Kizer and the ND O made them look just as bad or worse WHEN IT MATTERED MOST in the 4th qtr.

we are never going to have the kind of DL of thugs that you need to win it all like the football factories do. but as you look over the landscape of college football even the DL of thugs get beat too. that is the beauty of the game of football. just because you have the biggest and the baddest doesn't mean you can't get beat.

 

[deadmanramsey]

A lot if y'all don't get it man. How many of you guys have actually gone through a season of college football as a defensive coach or a defensive coordinator and spend the countless hours breaking down film of different offenses week in and week out and attempt to create a game plan that will shut down or limit a offense? How many of you have honestly done that? If you haven't, then you have no idea what you're talking about. In my opinion, the most difficult job in all of college athletics, other than being a head coach, is being a college football defensive coordinator. It's rare in this day of college football to hear fans calling for the head of an offensive coordinator, but not for a defensive coordinator. Just think about that for a second...

We don't need to compare what BVG does to what we do for a living. We don't even need to understand the pressure and difficulty of his role as DC, because you can say that about every DC around the nation. All we need to understand is that relative to other defenses both in the history of the program, and to his peers around the nation, he does not do a good job.

Using what metric is Van Gorder's defense good? He does well in the second half but that is only because it is in contrast to his first half defense, which is putrid.

In my opinion this team wins despite the defense not because of it. That is my indictment against BVG. Does his defense look good to great at times? Yes. But his defense is a blind squirrel looking for an acorn. The sad part about it is that we will not likely see improvement as the talent, depth, and experience is there, and that will not always be the case. His defense does not translate well to the college game, and if 20 games ain't enough for you to see that, I can't help you.

 

[perseverare]

What are you talking about? Who cares if we've been a D1 coach or spent 30 hours breaking down film? ND is a poor defesnive team. No one needs to have coached to see that...am I'm someone who has coached.

exactly:

we know 'bad', when seeing it; the technicalities are not necessary!

 

[deadmanramsey]

exactly:

we know 'bad', when seeing it; the technicalities are not necessary!

You are only allowed to post if you can do better than the coaches or players. Time to close down the site!

 

[sshulk]

A lot if y'all don't get it man. How many of you guys have actually gone through a season of college football as a defensive coach or a defensive coordinator and spend the countless hours breaking down film of different offenses week in and week out and attempt to create a game plan that will shut down or limit a offense? How many of you have honestly done that? If you haven't, then you have no idea what you're talking about. In my opinion, the most difficult job in all of college athletics, other than being a head coach, is being a college football defensive coordinator. It's rare in this day of college football to hear fans calling for the head of an offensive coordinator, but not for a defensive coordinator. Just think about that for a second...

My job is hard too, in its own way, but like everyone else, I just get measured on results. Wonderful thing about it, easy jobs pay sh*t and have lazy and incompetent people do them, hard jobs pay well and demand performance.