Tommy Rees play calling....

[88ND]

Just because someone holds a title of coach doesn't make it so.

Any "coach" can call a play....

A good coach understands what play to call.

A great coach knows what and especially when to call and equally important whom to use on said called play.

Which one does Mr. Rees fall under?

 

[BGI User 1798]

It's like any job you need experience he still in pull ups. Give him 3 years

 

[SubwaydomerDFW]

STOP.

Play calling doesn't fix the fact our O Line can't block anyone and our QB can't throw.

If any of you guys were calling plays the team would be spent before half time.

3 and outs are hard on your defense and special teams. When the other team gets the ball and scores it puts your team in a hole which stresses the offense.

This isn't madden..

 

[savvyandsassier]

STOP.

Play calling doesn't fix the fact our O Line can't block anyone and our QB can't throw.

If any of you guys were calling plays the team would be spent before half time.

3 and outs are hard on your defense and special teams. When the other team gets the ball and scores it puts your team in a hole which stresses the offense.

This isn't madden..

I don't think anyone was saying this is Madden, just saying that maybe Tommy Rees sucks as a coach. Which is totally a possibility.

I'm open to the idea at least. I'm biased against him, and I wanted MF to replace him when he first was named HC. It only seemed appropriate, in that he's too young for the job. And that he's a BK protege, just absolutely positively is, and if everyone hates BK with such loathing and intensity, then let's just go ahead and get a new OC, which is probably a good idea anyway, and would certainly fit the occasion to do so.

In any case, it was a shitty offensive performance. It's fine, it happens. And hopefully he will redeem himself. Even though it's possible he sucks as a coach.

 

[SubwaydomerDFW]

I don't think anyone was saying this is Madden, just saying that maybe Tommy Rees sucks as a coach. Which is totally a possibility.

I'm open to the idea at least. I'm biased against him, and I wanted MF to replace him when he first was named HC. It only seemed appropriate, in that he's too young for the job. And that he's a BK protege, just absolutely positively is, and if everyone hates BK with such loathing and intensity, then let's just go ahead and get a new OC, which is probably a good idea anyway, and would certainly fit the occasion to do so.

In any case, it was a shitty offensive performance. It's fine, it happens. And hopefully he will redeem himself. Even though it's possible he sucks as a coach.

I totally understand that possibility that TR isn't the man for the job. Perhaps I put too much into his bowl game debut against Iowa State and how creative he was against Oklahoma state with non existant run game to have confidence that he has the smarts to call a good game and be successful enough to win games. To me the evidence is there that he has the creative ability to open it up, so that shouldn't even be discussion..

Can he coach the Xs and Os? Can he recruit well? Time will tell but the offense did wonders last year with a horrible OL and was on the brink of playoffs mostly due to Kyren's playmaking ability.

One could argue any of the aforementioned one way or the other and I'd be happy to discuss.

My rebuttal here is simply that too many people are ready to fire him because he didn't open it up against Ohio State. That's where the madden comment came in. I think people think you just go 4wr1back and start dialing up cover 6 and quarter beating concepts and let'r rip. It's pretty old already.

 

[Pennick4]

I don't think anyone was saying this is Madden, just saying that maybe Tommy Rees sucks as a coach. Which is totally a possibility.

I'm open to the idea at least. I'm biased against him, and I wanted MF to replace him when he first was named HC. It only seemed appropriate, in that he's too young for the job. And that he's a BK protege, just absolutely positively is, and if everyone hates BK with such loathing and intensity, then let's just go ahead and get a new OC, which is probably a good idea anyway, and would certainly fit the occasion to do so.

In any case, it was a shitty offensive performance. It's fine, it happens. And hopefully he will redeem himself. Even though it's possible he sucks as a coach.

Very possible that you suck as a poster.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Very possible that you suck as a poster.

It's possible....

 

[savvyandsassier]

I totally understand that possibility that TR isn't the man for the job. Perhaps I put too much into his bowl game debut against Iowa State and how creative he was against Oklahoma state with non existant run game to have confidence that he has the smarts to call a good game and be successful enough to win games. To me the evidence is there that he has the creative ability to open it up, so that shouldn't even be discussion..

Can he coach the Xs and Os? Can he recruit well? Time will tell but the offense did wonders last year with a horrible OL and was on the brink of playoffs mostly due to Kyren's playmaking ability.

One could argue any of the aforementioned one way or the other and I'd be happy to discuss.

My rebuttal here is simply that too many people are ready to fire him because he didn't open it up against Ohio State. That's where the madden comment came in. I think people think you just go 4wr1back and start dialing up cover 6 and quarter beating concepts and let'r rip. It's pretty old already.

I wouldn't let it get to you, it's just fans being lame. I guess myself included. For me was it just my little pet thing, that we ought to wipe the slate clean, and get a new OC, and turn the page. It didn't seem like it made sense to keep him, and it's more of a sentimental thing because he's a ND graduate, which is not a good enough reason and that's not how you run a business, so to speak.... I mean if he was not a ND alum, do you think he would have kept the job? I don't.....

But whatever, they kept him on, and at a minimum he's got a year to strut his stuff. I'm not sure how it's possible that the evidence is there already, of his creative coaching chops, given that he's had really only one game truly on his own as OC sans BK, and that game was this egg we just laid against tOSU.

In any event next up we have Marshall and Cal, and I figure we should be able to move the ball against both of them pretty good, and we'll see where we're at. Maybe we'll put up over 40 on both and we'll be right back on track.....

 

[ftnfan62]

I’n 21, if I read it correctly, he finished in the top 20 for overall offense. In 20 he was 14th but it was Covid.

Regardless, 2 years 2 top 20’s. Seems decent for their schedule.

Just a data point. No positive or negative position.

 

[Irishjohn68]

I think in time tommy will be a good or even a great coach/play caller. It’s just he has not had much outside experience calling plays and ND IMO is not the place for OJT.

 

[savvyandsassier]

These last two or three seasons our offense rocked. It really did. For all the shit and blinding negativity from the fans, or at least a nice noisy chunk of the fans, we were a machine on offense. Ian Book was the absolute man, and all those teams we were supposed to beat, we beat 'em good, and very comfortably. Not every single game, but many times.....

And Tommy Rees was right at the heart of all of that. So his time at ND up to now, has certainly been nothing but successful. But that was with BK, and it was BK's show. Anyway, I'm sure we'll have a good game this Saturday....

 

[88ND]

He's had exactly two games without Brian Kelly.
I'm certainly hoping..or was hoping that going into game #1 with an entire off season to work on your product...study film...consult with any respected peer....hell even his own Dad...

That we would've seen a different ND offense against OSU.
Sadly it looked eerily similar to the countless of Brian Kelly games of timid and tentative and playing to not get beat by too much.

If that's how you play it's a sure fire way to not win anything.

I'd have much more respect for him if Buchner threw a few interceptions or even a pick 6 or two provided we're trying to change and get it right which takes time.
Instead every pass play was extremely low risk which again results in nothing. Low risk equals low scoring.

We didn't need to change the passing only...but a change in a total approach. Either power football or become Air Coryell part 2 ...

Instead we are stuck in a groove. A rut with no identity.

#7 on Saturday was punishing the OSU back 7.
The secondary was starting to pray with tackling. Meaning kissing the ground and going after his ankles. They wanted no part of #7.
So you keep working him and pretty soon those DB's are going...aaahhh I just couldn't get there coach. They start hooking toward him instead of an aggressive pursuit angle.
The 3 yard average becomes 6 or 7 yards come 4th quarter.

Everyone ( those with a keen eye anyway) could see #7 could have a big day. Punishing runner with nifty footwork.

Instead we completely go away from him and give all these unnecessary touches to Tyree. He's quick...but so is OSU defense. Big deal. They were happy he was toting the ball and not #7.
Rees if he had any sense of feel would've ran #7 until his tongue was dragging.

I must ask...if you were an elite RB why on earth would you choose ND? So you can get a handful of touches and promptly removed for another back and his handful of touches?

Maybe Rees doesn't really understand the importance of power football and a special back like #7

Sure we'll clobber most of the daisies on the schedule but the next big game when we need to impose OURSELVES on the defense we won't but they'll certainly impose it on us.

 

[sjb75]

He's had exactly two games without Brian Kelly.
I'm certainly hoping..or was hoping that going into game #1 with an entire off season to work on your product...study film...consult with any respected peer....hell even his own Dad...

That we would've seen a different ND offense against OSU.
Sadly it looked eerily similar to the countless of Brian Kelly games of timid and tentative and playing to not get beat by too much.

If that's how you play it's a sure fire way to not win anything.

I'd have much more respect for him if Buchner threw a few interceptions or even a pick 6 or two provided we're trying to change and get it right which takes time.
Instead every pass play was extremely low risk which again results in nothing. Low risk equals low scoring.

We didn't need to change the passing only...but a change in a total approach. Either power football or become Air Coryell part 2 ...

Instead we are stuck in a groove. A rut with no identity.

#7 on Saturday was punishing the OSU back 7.
The secondary was starting to pray with tackling. Meaning kissing the ground and going after his ankles. They wanted no part of #7.
So you keep working him and pretty soon those DB's are going...aaahhh I just couldn't get there coach. They start hooking toward him instead of an aggressive pursuit angle.
The 3 yard average becomes 6 or 7 yards come 4th quarter.

Everyone ( those with a keen eye anyway) could see #7 could have a big day. Punishing runner with nifty footwork.

Instead we completely go away from him and give all these unnecessary touches to Tyree. He's quick...but so is OSU defense. Big deal. They were happy he was toting the ball and not #7.
Rees if he had any sense of feel would've ran #7 until his tongue was dragging.

I must ask...if you were an elite RB why on earth would you choose ND? So you can get a handful of touches and promptly removed for another back and his handful of touches?

Maybe Rees doesn't really understand the importance of power football and a special back like #7

Sure we'll clobber most of the daisies on the schedule but the next big game when we need to impose OURSELVES on the defense we won't but they'll certainly impose it on us.

I am impressed with your CFB knowledge. Have your agent keep an eye on the Nebraska job. You could do big things there.

 

[REMND]

As OC his offenses have averaged about 33 a game. I think OSU's defense earned my respect against us and this year's offense is a work in progress that was very unlikely to score 33 against OSU with our OL and receiver early season challenges. Plus, I have read that Rees was handcuffed possibly with CMF holding to a run run run theme in the hope of keeping OSU off the field.

 

[savvyandsassier]

As OC his offenses have averaged about 33 a game. I think OSU's defense earned my respect against us and this year's offense is a work in progress that was very unlikely to score 33 against OSU with our OL and receiver early season challenges. Plus, I have read that Rees was handcuffed possibly with CMF holding to a run run run theme in the hope of keeping OSU off the field.

Where have 'heard' that? Something legit, or just total made-up bullshit?

 

[88ND]

As OC his offenses have averaged about 33 a game. I think OSU's defense earned my respect against us and this year's offense is a work in progress that was very unlikely to score 33 against OSU with our OL and receiver early season challenges. Plus, I have read that Rees was handcuffed possibly with CMF holding to a run run run theme in the hope of keeping OSU off the field.

33 points average is skewed massively

He hasn't exactly had a murderous row type of schedule.

The biggest games with Rees as the OC are...
2020 covid year..
47 points against Clemson
I don't know who was missing or were they at full strength?

2020 rematch with Clemson
10 points

2020 against Bama in playoff
14 points

2021 Cincinnati
13 points

2021 OkSt
35 points
Did they have anyone important sit out? We had a couple important players that sat out.

2022
OSU
10 points

If we're counting all the games above that's a 21.5 points average.

If we exclude the Covid game against Clemson and the possible short handed game (by both parties) in the bowl last year that average goes to...

11.75 points per game

 

[Golson5]

33 points average is skewed massively

He hasn't exactly had a murderous row type of schedule.

The biggest games with Rees as the OC are...
2020 covid year..
47 points against Clemson
I don't know who was missing or were they at full strength?

2020 rematch with Clemson
10 points

2020 against Bama in playoff
14 points

2021 Cincinnati
13 points

2021 OkSt
35 points
Did they have anyone important sit out? We had a couple important players that sat out.

2022
OSU
10 points

If we're counting all the games above that's a 21.5 points average.

If we exclude the Covid game against Clemson and the possible short handed game (by both parties) in the bowl last year that average goes to...

11.75 points per game

They didn't have anyone sit out

 

[NDskins]

I wish he went to a lower tier team to get more experience at the college level. maybe 5 to 10 years before getting to sniff at a big program like ND. Look at Alabama with their OC and DC...

 

[tbonesays]

They didn't have anyone sit out

Clemson part 1 was missing more than one starter on the D line. Combined they were a bigger difference than the change in quarterback.

 

[mirer03]

STOP.

Play calling doesn't fix the fact our O Line can't block anyone and our QB can't throw.

If any of you guys were calling plays the team would be spent before half time.

3 and outs are hard on your defense and special teams. When the other team gets the ball and scores it puts your team in a hole which stresses the offense.

This isn't madden..

I think the QB can throw fine, it was more a lack of faith by the oc to let him.

The three and outs in the third resulted in the d wearing out.

 

[Kelso86]

I think the QB can throw fine, it was more a lack of faith by the oc to let him.

The three and outs in the third resulted in the d wearing out.

"I think the QB can throw fine, it was more a lack of faith by the oc to let him."

Not sure it was a lack of faith, but a lack of protection -- when a QB cannot even get off a screen pass because the defender is in his face is an issue. And, OSU knew ND was weak at WR, so, why not dare a new QB to throw it -- their pressure was on all night long.

"The three and outs in the third resulted in the d wearing out"

Absolutely

 

[Golson5]

Clemson part 1 was missing more than one starter on the D line. Combined they were a bigger difference than the change in quarterback.

Talking ok st

 

[Irishjohn68]

I wish he went to a lower tier team to get more experience at the college level. maybe 5 to 10 years before getting to sniff at a big program like ND. Look at Alabama with their OC and DC...

This

 

[NDinNJ]

I wish he went to a lower tier team to get more experience at the college level. maybe 5 to 10 years before getting to sniff at a big program like ND. Look at Alabama with their OC and DC...

Agree, his first stop should have been with a MAC team. It would have done two things for him. He would have expanded his knowledge of different offenses, and given him OJT without being in a pressure cooker.

All he knows is BK's Offense He played in it and has coached it. Had he gone elsewhere he would have been exposed different coaching styles.

 

[Pennick4]

Agree, his first stop should have been with a MAC team. It would have done two things for him. He would have expanded his knowledge of different offenses, and given him OJT without being in a pressure cooker.

All he knows is BK's Offense He played in it and has coached it. Had he gone elsewhere he would have been exposed different coaching styles.

You still blaming BK for your misery?

 

[Irishjohn68]

You still blaming BK for your misery?

What did he say that was wrong?

 

[NDinNJ]

You still blaming BK for your misery?

You're still on the ND forum? I thought you left for the LSU forum months ago.