Hopefully ND does the same some year. Fire Brian Kelly. Not tomorrow, not next week, not after another8-4 season next year, do it today for crying out loud.
This is what hiring a good coach will accomplish
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Lol. Get over it. Saban did exactly what Kelly gets crucified on this board for after the gAme. Held players accountable said they didn't make plays and cost them with the late penalty. Kelly does the exact same thing and you guys throw him under the bus. Swinney is an example of what happens when an administration backs their coach in concert with the fan base.
Heard it the same way, especially the closing reference to the penalty.
And do we want to discuss the play calls of throwing rubs in the red zone... seems Kelly gets crucified for that too... Clemson did it twice for td's....
Yea, but the Clemson players, especially the TE, really sold the impression they were being a receiver and not a blocker. Not saying the ND call didn't suck, but we didn't sell the play as well as Clemson did tonight.
Agreed regarding execution...but from a play call perspective I think it is a vindication of the validity of the calls to run those pass plays so close to the end zone.
ABSOLUTELY! But don't recall many people criticizing the call by Kelly, just the call by the official.
ND has had bad coaching hire after bad coaching hire for 20 YEARS!
Think about this - 20 years of repeated bad coaching hires - which is the #1 reason ND has become a run-of-the-mill College Football program!
You would think that even the delusional powers-that-be at ND - with repeated attempts at hiring coaches, that 'blind luck' might lead to at least 1 good hire.
So....whatever happened to "The Luck of the Irish" ?
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the official made a vindictive call; that pick play is pretty common in both college and NFL; it is almost a legal illegal play now.
Did the players not 'sell' it as well as possible? maybe. But execution has never been a strong point for Kelly ND teams!
Did the players not 'sell' it as well as possible? maybe. But execution has never been a strong point for Kelly ND teams!
Dude -- at some point, you need to let it go and come to the realization that KELLY WILL BE THE HC AT ND in 2017.
If you are still that pissed off in September, simply don't watch or attend any games.
Yeah I mean Kelly took over the dumpster fire from Charlie and was ranked #1 within a few years and also minus 20 injuries fielded a top 10 team.
The winning TD was very similar to the ND-FSU game. Did you notice the DB basically tackled the receiver. Prosise was never able to "sell" being a receiver in 2014 because the FSU DB was holding him.
Herbie was quick to defend the ref when he called it against ND, not so quick to demand it be called against Clemson.
I personally thought Clemson executed the pick perfectly and thought ND did as well.
Agree, my reference to the TE was on the first pick, although I thought the DB tackle of the so-called receiver on the winning TD was much more blatant that the FSU play on Prosise.
This really is a revisionist take on the ND vs. FSU play. First of all, there was confusion as to who the referee called the penalty on. At first, most thought it was called on CJ Prosise but it took the ACC more than 24 hours to claim that the call was actually against Will Fuller. Either way "selling the play" really wasn't an option for either Fuller or Prosise since the CB's that covered each initiated contact in both instances. In Fuller's case Fuller actually made a quick out then in move that got Ronald Darby off balance causing him to over-react by then trying to jump Fuller's route to the inside. The collision that occurred was initiated by Darby because he was somewhat out of control at that point. The collision meant that Fuller really didn't have an opportunity to get his hands up. Darin Pritchet of WSBT AM radio actually had an excellent video breakdown of that play which definitively showed Darby trying to jump the route. Unfortunately, that video is no longer available and the only other video is the broadcast video that everyone saw and is another reason why most people thought the call was made against Prosise.
But even in Prosise's case, selling the play wasn't an option for Prosise either as he was immediately engaged by the CB after the snap. From there the CB actually grabbed Prosise's jersey with a downward motion causing Prosise to hunch downward and forward which may have looked like Prosise was blocking the whole time to someone who didn't have a good angle on the play. He had no chance whatsoever to look like a receiver because the CB initiated the contact and held Prosise from the start of the play.
Either way it was a bad call no matter who they called it on and it wasn't nearly as obvious as what happened in last night's game.
Here's a frame by frame account of what happened on that play from the Prosise perspective for those who have forgotten. Again, the penalty was called on Fuller (24 hours later) not Prosise but it's still a good look at what happened on that play:
http://ndnation.com/archives/4896
Arguably, Kelly is an above average coach who is capable of having a good season every once-in-awhile.
Kelly had a 12-1 season at ND (with many of Charlie's recruits that Weis' staff had at least partially developed).
When he brought ND to the big dance Kelly's 2012 team was EXPOSED (Kelly and his team were not up to the challenge of competing with the BIG-BOYS)
Good coaches.....
- don't go 4-8 in their 7th year of a program
- don't typically play down to the level of their competition
- often get their teams into MAJOR bowls and WIN their share (and/or play a competitive game).
Except for the anomaly of the 2012 regular season - Kelly has struck-out in too many major areas - even with his 2015 regular season record of 10 - 2 ........his team got whipped in a major bowl game vs OSU.
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Bump...you read way too much into my comment. A slide by slide comparison of the first pick last night to our FSU pick will show the Clemson TE making contact and then immediately turning around back to the QB with hands up in the air as though he is looking for the ball. He sold it! Not saying ND could have done the same or differently, just saying Clemson was able to sell the charade better than we did. Of course, FSU had something to do with this! And as stated, the FSU call was terrible and out of sync with how this play is officiated in college.
Some of us have jobs.
I've made my feelings on Kelly clear. He can build a program every two to three years and compete nationally.
It's also clear to most anyone about the depth lost from retention of players over the past three years. IIO did a great breakdown of the losses to the Jr and Sr classes last year specifically the defensive secondary necessitating all the young players this year.
Let me also be clear. Kelly's big mistake is big and he paid for it this year. He's replaced multiple coordinators before to great success. There is no one on the board that'd could take to come in right now and make a difference. Competing every two to three years is the temporary norm. Ideally in two to three years Kelly and the new coordinators will again be a top ten team and Kelly will move on.
The point of my original comments is that many of his traits that Kelly haters consistently deride him for were displayed by both national title coaches.
That is the ONLY thing you could compare those two.
Notice though how Saban said WE didn't wake some plays and Clemson did. WE had a crucial penalty at the end.
That is the ONLY thing one can compare those two.
NO...Kelly gets crucified because our players didn't do a good enough job selling the pick as a real passing route.
Probably because instead of telling the receivers fifteen times at practice and showing them they must sell the route as a legit route...he probably moved onto more fun things at practice. Like ball security, red zone efficiency, deep pass coverage, and tackling.
It's little details like that in which elude Brian Kelly.
Nothing of those coaches can be compared. That's a massive insult to those coaches. Massive.
As far as more excuses for our lousy season or stagnate progress under Kelly...that's all this is. Excuses. Everyone else deals with graduation and early exits for the pros but apparently our cupboard is more bare because of the different aisle thing. I don't know.
Actually I do know.
The elite programs give proper time to the backups because they know they are one play away from entering.
We don't spend any time on those players and when they have to enter the game Its a disaster
does ND have more elite players in 2017 than ND 2009 or 2010?
Go through the rosters and find the 'elite'players; increasing? decreasing? little change or improvement?
Who are the 2017 elite players?
Go through the rosters and find the 'elite'players; increasing? decreasing? little change or improvement?
Who are the 2017 elite players?
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ND should have a coach up to the job, task, challenge. If it was easy everyone would be great, at the end of the day, when all is said and done, for what it's worth......
To quote John McKay's I'd be in favor of your execution. It would increase the football IQ of this forum by 20 points at a minimum.
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