Just be sure to tell them that you will have the game plan down on Wednesday of the following week for last Saturday's game - that will get you the job for sure.
The simple defense
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"I don’t know any form tackling or anything like that,” Lakip admitted. “I just did what I knew how to do, and that’s headbutting the ball.”
With all due respect to Kirk Herbstreit and the ACC Network, I am pretty sure head butting the football is not a prescription for Safer and Surer Tackling, Although it's become very apparent to me that in the world of CGVR the act of lowering your head and head butting balls is a most highly recommended and approved technique
With all due respect to Kirk Herbstreit and the ACC Network, I am pretty sure head butting the football is not a prescription for Safer and Surer Tackling, Although it's become very apparent to me that in the world of CGVR the act of lowering your head and head butting balls is a most highly recommended and approved technique
I never said it was the defense's fault for losing the game. I evenly highlighted the point that four turnovers had a part.
I don't appreciate you getting smart with me either. I don't know anywhere near what these guys know, but I can still look at something and comment that it doesn't look sound or that our guys are confused. I'd be perfectly comfortable talking over it with the ND coaches if they cared what I thought. Just because they're big time doesn't mean they're infaluable and it doesn't mean that players are playing is good as they could be.
I've never said anything about the OL not being aligned properly or being confused about their assignments. Why do you think that it?....because they don't blow assignments the way I've seen ND's back seven do.
Seriously, if you don't know x's and o's, its pretty darn rude to get smart with someone who does and is raising a legitimate concern based on what they've seen after closely analyzing the game. That's not to say you can't have an opinion either. You most certainly can.
I don't appreciate you getting smart with me either. I don't know anywhere near what these guys know, but I can still look at something and comment that it doesn't look sound or that our guys are confused. I'd be perfectly comfortable talking over it with the ND coaches if they cared what I thought. Just because they're big time doesn't mean they're infaluable and it doesn't mean that players are playing is good as they could be.
I've never said anything about the OL not being aligned properly or being confused about their assignments. Why do you think that it?....because they don't blow assignments the way I've seen ND's back seven do.
Seriously, if you don't know x's and o's, its pretty darn rude to get smart with someone who does and is raising a legitimate concern based on what they've seen after closely analyzing the game. That's not to say you can't have an opinion either. You most certainly can.
That pissed me off when Herbstreit said that. So much for player safety if its a kicker and he causes a fumble.
This is a thread started about ND's defense - ok.l You never said anything regarding ND's defense - ok. Wait?!? You said:
Its not about the defense simply being good. They can be better. I counted numerous blown coverages in the first three drives against Massachusetts. These are completely unforced errors that have nothing to do with talent and they shouldn't happen. Against good teams, this could be the difference. Who knows, maybe it even was against Clemson (yes, I'm aware of the four turnovers -- the goal is to the best you can be).
Why settle for solid to good if they can be very good?
Not trying to split hairs here - you are quite clearly stating you know better than the coaching staff. Not just that you know better BUT you could have them play better. You can say all you want the you never said those words - you inferred them in this post. Own up or shut up.
It doesn't matter what one knows, it what's they can get the players to execute. I've never said or implied that I can get the players to execute better than the coaches. I also said that the coaches know more than I do.
You're putting words in my mouth. You're saying that I said 'I never said anything about the defense'. I don't know where you got that from. The above that you quoted has me saying that I never said it was the defense's fault. The next quote has me saying that they can be playing better due to blown assignments (assignments where they didn't simply not get the job done, assignments that were missed because they didn't do/know what they had).
You're twisting what I say. I'm not going to have a conversation with someone whose being this condescending. Have a nice day.
You're putting words in my mouth. You're saying that I said 'I never said anything about the defense'. I don't know where you got that from. The above that you quoted has me saying that I never said it was the defense's fault. The next quote has me saying that they can be playing better due to blown assignments (assignments where they didn't simply not get the job done, assignments that were missed because they didn't do/know what they had).
You're twisting what I say. I'm not going to have a conversation with someone whose being this condescending. Have a nice day.
Also, me pointing out issues isn't me saying "I know better than the coaches." Its me saying, "this is an issue." Simple as that.
Yay, stupid's back!!! How many steroids did you take today?
Did you miss that I wrote,
"I think it's an extremely dangerous thing to do and don't agree with its deployment...."
Comprehension is not a strength of your's.
However, being a numbskull is obviously very easy for you....
My guess is BK and co. can see that for themselves. You want to play Wednesday's coach for (last) Saturday's game reeks of foul-ass stench. You say this defense "can be better". You counted "numerous blown coverages" What are you basing that on? Are you the coach calling the plays or another regular person watching like the rest of us? Maybe you feel a little above us and a little above ND's defensive staff. Now you are speaking "nothing to do with talent and they (mistakes) shouldn't happen" Shouldn't happen? On your watch? Your team never makes a mistake so that should translate to ND - right? Why settle for "solid " when you can be "very good"
This all smacks of "you know better". You spend three or four days re-watching the film and suddenly become Lou Holtz. Why don't you submit your resume to JS and tell him you are the best coach in the country on Wednesday following the game.
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
The Irish need to score more points then their opponents. They did not do this Saturday night.
That is why they lost.
That is why they lost.
"No player shall use his helmet (including the face mask) to butt or ram an opponent or attempt to punish him. There shall be no spearing. No player shall strike a runner with the crown or the top of his helmet...."
It should have been a 15 yard penalty.
Go back to the UMass game. Do you remember that wheel route where there was no ND defender in the area? That was a busted coverage. It was either a Cover 4 call placing Jaylon on the wheel route, or more likely, a Cover 2 putting the corner on the wheel route. Someone messed up. Broken coverage that had nothing to do with talent.
Do you rememeber the pass completed on the crossing route over Cole Luke's head? Look at Jaylon Smith and the safety, they're both covering the TE man to man and leave the RB uncovered (when ND was in a straight man coverage -- everyone locked on a particular defender -- no pattern reading). Blown coverage that had nothing to do with skill.
There was another play where ND was in a 3 deep 3 under zone blitz. Jaylon should have been playing a seam technique on #2 (a TE) but was sinking to the middle leaving the TE uncovered completely. Blown coverage that had nothing to do with talent/skill.
There was another play where UMass ran the WR on jet motion. No one in position to cover that route if it turned into a wheel/play run force. Blown assignment that had nothing to do with skill/talent.
And its not a game of "what if" I'm playing. I'm saying that the errors in assignment have created an unsound defense at times, not simply a defense that may be weaker vs. any particular look (any defensive alignment has its strengths and weaknesses).
There were simply too many blown coverages in my opinion. We didn't see it this often under the Diaco years (2010, 2011, 2013 included, I'm not simply talking about 2012 either). It lends me to think that the D is too complicated.
That's all, man. Me saying that says absolutely nothing about what I think I can do as the Notre Dame coach, which I don't in any way think I'm qualified for. Simple as that.
Do you rememeber the pass completed on the crossing route over Cole Luke's head? Look at Jaylon Smith and the safety, they're both covering the TE man to man and leave the RB uncovered (when ND was in a straight man coverage -- everyone locked on a particular defender -- no pattern reading). Blown coverage that had nothing to do with skill.
There was another play where ND was in a 3 deep 3 under zone blitz. Jaylon should have been playing a seam technique on #2 (a TE) but was sinking to the middle leaving the TE uncovered completely. Blown coverage that had nothing to do with talent/skill.
There was another play where UMass ran the WR on jet motion. No one in position to cover that route if it turned into a wheel/play run force. Blown assignment that had nothing to do with skill/talent.
And its not a game of "what if" I'm playing. I'm saying that the errors in assignment have created an unsound defense at times, not simply a defense that may be weaker vs. any particular look (any defensive alignment has its strengths and weaknesses).
There were simply too many blown coverages in my opinion. We didn't see it this often under the Diaco years (2010, 2011, 2013 included, I'm not simply talking about 2012 either). It lends me to think that the D is too complicated.
That's all, man. Me saying that says absolutely nothing about what I think I can do as the Notre Dame coach, which I don't in any way think I'm qualified for. Simple as that.
no one here can know for certain what assignments were blown at any position without being privy to what was called each specific play. we can all speculate by what we see. only the coaches know for sure hence the grading of the film. a qb can throw a beautiful TD pass and get a failing grade for the play. a lineman can pancake someone and fail on the play. attention to detail in both assignment and technique is my mantra with my players.
I wouldn't say this any time a pass is completed or for every single snap. Many times though, you can tell what the coverage/assignment is simply by looking at the alignments and the post-snap movement, especially when you've watched multiple games and you get a feel for what they're doing.
sometimes yes, but not always. we'll never know what each players assignment was supposed to be. no one watches more film than me. the only things I know for certain is when I'm watching film of my players.
Simplicity of scheme allows for maximum practice repetition and repetition is the mother of learning.
Also it is a much easier learning curve for reserves and young players to transition into the lineup. ND had fewer fronts, fewer blitzes, and fewer coverages under Diaco. But they also had fewer busts No scheme is a be all end all.
Also it is a much easier learning curve for reserves and young players to transition into the lineup. ND had fewer fronts, fewer blitzes, and fewer coverages under Diaco. But they also had fewer busts No scheme is a be all end all.
Wow...you need help. More child talk ....
Yes the shoulder is used. it's always been used.
Face mask up....right or left shoulder.....wrap behind knees...lift if possible and finish.
This has been tge tackling standard for a century.
So in other words since comprehension is a problem for you.....
The SHOULDER IS USED.....but is only one part of it. Lazy players make the shoulder the only part of with no wrap.
Now I'm done discussing anything with you.
Btw....that was not me who criticized diaco sooooooo not sure what to tell ya but there has to be a children's room on the Notre Dame forum somewhere.
Really this is the last one. There is a difference ..then I'm done!!!
If you play with your face mask up....you will NOT get hurt. Moreover if you take your face mask which happens to be part of the helmet ....and drive or through the ball again you are not getting hurt nor inflicting injury on other player.
You are exactly the reason why people look at football in the negative light. You have no God Damn clue how the proper way and correct way to play the game.....hard yet in a safe way.
If you put your face mask down ....and hit with the crown you risk everything from neck and spine injury to injuring other player because you just became a weapon.
If you turn to the side and take a crown shot to your side of the head bad things happen. But again the hitter is using his crown. If his face mask is up.....it does not happen like that.
Bell ringing can happen. Headaches are going to happen if you play right.
Concussions and serious head injuries can be avoided with just the simple face mask up message.
Bull your neck....Get your face mask up ....and you can hit as hard as you want with no ramifications.
Now I'm done. Thanks.
My problems with the defense is 1) they don't create turnovers and 2) they rarely come up with the shut down possession when you really need it.
"No player shall use his helmet (including the face mask) to butt or ram an opponent or attempt to punish him."
Apparently the 88 in 88 ND, does not represent the 88 National Championship team, It represents 88 ND and CGVR's combined IQ. You do realize that comes straight out of a rule book right?
You must realize that the profoundly stupid statement of "Bull your neck....Get your face mask up ....and you can hit as hard as you want with no ramifications.". if repeated to player who subsequently suffered a neck injury, paralysis or death, Could get a coach...A. Fired for Incompetence. B. Sued in a civil court for damages. C. Criminally charged for involuntary manslaughter. It's clear you and your buddy have not walked in between the lines of football field for a long,long time, if you ever did, But for the safety of football players and the love of god, Keep it that way
Apparently the 88 in 88 ND, does not represent the 88 National Championship team, It represents 88 ND and CGVR's combined IQ. You do realize that comes straight out of a rule book right?
You must realize that the profoundly stupid statement of "Bull your neck....Get your face mask up ....and you can hit as hard as you want with no ramifications.". if repeated to player who subsequently suffered a neck injury, paralysis or death, Could get a coach...A. Fired for Incompetence. B. Sued in a civil court for damages. C. Criminally charged for involuntary manslaughter. It's clear you and your buddy have not walked in between the lines of football field for a long,long time, if you ever did, But for the safety of football players and the love of god, Keep it that way
I think its a shame the rule is presented that way.
As long as one's facemask is up when tackling high, and they're not deliberating hitting the guy in the head, that's clean football IMO. Head contact is going to happen and it shouldn't be the responsibility of the defender to increase the chance of an arm tackle by making sure his helmet doesn't hit the other guy. This is especially an issue for me when the offensive guys always lower their shoulder/head and even use the crown of their helmet.
As long as one's facemask is up when tackling high, and they're not deliberating hitting the guy in the head, that's clean football IMO. Head contact is going to happen and it shouldn't be the responsibility of the defender to increase the chance of an arm tackle by making sure his helmet doesn't hit the other guy. This is especially an issue for me when the offensive guys always lower their shoulder/head and even use the crown of their helmet.
There is a disconnect with you. What I said IS the proper way to teach tackling you effing child.
I said nothing of leading with your head. NOTHING. You are on a path of collision in football. When the collision happens, your face mask MUST be up. You are relying on the other coach that he has taught his guys the same....you never lead with your head. Ever. But in the dynamics of football, helmets strike one another. Period. If your facemask is up, and taking or giving any hit straight on....you will NOT injure yourself.
Now you will twist what I said and make it like I'm saying for player to launch himself head first and as long as his face mask is up its all good. NO!!! But your experience with tackle football is non existent.
You act like there should be no contact with heads on football. How dare that happen huh. It is a fast moving dynamic game. And when you have no idea what the other player is doing with moves and blocking, helmets will collide. Get your ****ing face mask up and things will be fine!!!!!
Again it's people like you that want to ban real football.
Soooo. WTF are you doing on a TACKLE football message board?
Shouldn't you be on a flag football forum!?
It's not presented that way. That quote is not in the NCAA rule book. Please note, you're dealing with a self proclaimed laundry attendant.
From the NCAA manual:
Targeting and Initiating Contact With the Crown of the Helmet
ARTICLE 3. No player shall target and initiate contact against an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul. (Rule 9-6) (A.R. 9-1-3-I)
PS The helmet makes contact in tons of tackles. It's a judgement call by the refs....
"No player shall use his helmet (including the face mask) to butt or ram an opponent or attempt to punish him."
That quote is not in the 2015 NCAA Football Rules and Interpretations......
Here's how the rule reads and please note that the refs use their judgement as to whether targeting took place....
Targeting and Making Forcible Contact With the Crown of the Helmet
ARTICLE 3. No player shall target and make forcible contact against an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.
(Rule 9-6) (A.R. 9-1-3-I)
Lastly as I stated, "I think it's an extremely dangerous thing to do and don't agree with its deployment...."
It's not hard to believe that your bowling ball size head has nothing in it. Thanks for the continued comedy.
Invariably, throughout a football game the helmet and head are going to come into play during tackles. You are correct in what you are saying and have said.
Please look at this poster as a daily comedic gift into what most people know to be completely wrong about youth sports. It's free entertainment. No one can possibly be this stupid....oh wait....
I heard a great story about John Ray, who was Ara's defensive coordinator from '64 - 68. One year, USC tried lining OJ up as a wide receiver just to mess with opposing defenses. Coach Ray told one of his linebackers to track OJ and to hit him hard regardless of whether or not the ball was anywhere near him. The point was that if OJ was going to beat us, he was going to do it from the backfield. It didn't take long for Coach McKay to figure things out and put OJ back in the backfield.
Wrong again....
"Repetition is the mother of learning" hahaha.....
What if the thing you are repeating is incorrect to begin with?
For example: Go to a golf driving range and you'll see some of the worst repetition in the world.
If you are involved in teaching anything I am sure it's a disaster. Give those poor kids a break and quit.
Lastly, Jim Harbaugh showed up in Michigan, took nothing for granted and went right to square one.... What he found wasn't pretty and he immediately set out to correct poor technique across the board.... He was mystified that a lot of guys didn't know how to do a basic 3 point stance among other things....such is the poor coaching at the HS level....
no shutdown possessions in the 4th qtr against Clemson ? what game were you watching ?
I was not talking specifically about Clemson; the ND defense in recent years has not been a defense that gets three and outs after we score. (We did do this in Q4 at Clemson, but that was not typical in my opinion). Typical is "no lead is safe" - as we let North Carolina, Northwestern, Navy, UMass in the first half, Virginia, Arizona State, etc. go up and down the field - and we have to match score for score.
You aren't allowed to "shush" anyone unless you exist in the crucible that is HS football.
How dare you!
In fact, you get extra credibility if you admit to being the team's laundry attendant.
kelly is a combination of Rockne, Leahy, Holtz, Devine, Walsh, Dungy, Lombardi, Madden.....
He is God's gift to college football.
He is flawless and has never won a BCS game in 5 years of sitting at the helm of the most storied program in CFB history....
His only BCS appearance was with a backbone of Weis' recruits.... WE'RE # 1 !!!!!!!!!!
