Tebow Bible Verses and Kneelers

[IRISHJD98]

,......"22% of African-Americans live below the poverty line according the latest census. The poorest areas of the country tend to have the highest levels of drug usage, alcohol abuse (amazing how many liquor stores are in poor areas), high unemployment, the worst schools, and a lack of consistent after school activities. Considering these issues feed into each other and are compounded by other issues that affect black people that still exist despite contrary beliefs, the problem is far from what you perceive it to be."

And those areas are heavily Democratic.
It's possible that might be the problem there

There's a very well known black leader (headquartered in Chicago) who - right now - is travelling to large cities harshly criticizing black people for thinking Democrats will solve their problems and mocking them for wringing their hands over President Trump. He harshly describes and condemns a broken value system in the black community with terms so direct and politically incorrect even President Trump would be to ashamed to say publicly. He insists that the problems of black communities are a problem for black people to solve, and he demands that black people stop killing young black people. His private organization has more success helping released prisoners integrate back into the community than any other, it even has a ministry of health and human services giving aid in poor communities.

His name is Louis Farrakhan and his organization is the Nation of Islam. He is very gifted speaker. Personally, I'm not a fan. He is enjoying a renewed relevance in many communities by citing both the failures of Democrats and Trump's politically incorrect messages as validation of his anti-government black separatist message. And he see the desperate people of gang ridden neighborhoods as an opportunity to incubate that message.

I know Republicans and the conservative media like the idea of driving a wedge between Democrats and the black portion of their base as a power play. IMO playing the political blame game to struggle for power has the potential for creating some unexpected consequences.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Man I don't even know how or why the break down of the concept of the "family" in the Black community is an area of topics. But referring to kids who do not have a choice of where they are born or what they are born into as bastardos and suggesting that we should just turn our backs on them because it is the job of their local community and not the job of everyone to try and help these people only perpetuates a mindset and belief system that says "As long as I don't have to deal with you I am good and you can stay in the gutter." Lets stop pretending that yall are mad that the protests are misguided because there are real problems that the protesters are not addressing. Yall don't care about those issues, you just don't want to have to deal with the protests and thats cool but it doesn't mean the protests aren't valid.

 

[topdecktiger]

Yall don't care about those issues, you just don't want to have to deal with the protests and thats cool but it doesn't mean the protests aren't valid.

What makes the protests invalid is when they try to protest things like police brutality, and lump into that instances where it wasn't the police who caused the problem.

suggesting that we should just turn our backs on them because it is the job of their local community and not the job of everyone to try and help these people only perpetuates a mindset and belief system that says "As long as I don't have to deal with you I am good and you can stay in the gutter."

It's not the job of everyone. You can say that it should be, and that's a valid opinion, but it's not the "job" of everyone. On top of that, there is only so much you can do to help. At some point society can't fix everything and help everyone. You can only do what's reasonable, and I'd argue we've well reached the point of reasonable.

 

[binhamin]

First, I taught and counseled in an inner city school for a number of year in the 1960's,
Had access to all students records, and the large majority of those records had the father
Listed as " Deceased " . Very odd ! The situation was bad then and has deteriorated since !

" African American Family Structure "
Wikipedia
" Almost 70 % of black children are born to single mothers in 2011"

" The Black Family Today "
Reason. Com, Feb 2, 2015
" The reason there is so much violence and chaos in the Black Precincts is the disintegration of the Black Family "

Also check the writings of Thomas Sowell on that subject if you are interested in facts ?

That's great you taught in the inner city in the 60s. But the 60s ended 47 years ago. Things do change, and your experience makes you an expert on the 60s, not 2017.

Also, your narrative doesn't make sense. If the majority of the students you worked with had their fathers listed as deceased, you were working in a school that had issues with an absentee father issue entirely different than children born out wedlock. If the children were born out of wedlock, the fathers would not have been listed on the birth certificate, and consequently, not listed on school paperwork. Did you ever consider that it was the school's policy to list the father as deceased when no father was on the birth certificate? It doesn't mean the father was dead or not in the kid's life. He just wasn't on the paperwork because he couldn't be there legally. And I highly doubt every student in the school was counseled by you.

I also perused the full reason.com article you referenced. You're quoting the author quoting Bill O'Reilly, who is referencing the D. Patrick Moynihan paper "The Negro Family: The Case for National Action". Obviously you cherry picked this editorial, which goes on to mention how conservatives overlook Moynihan's later statement in the same paper that "Three centuries of injustice have brought about deep-seated structural distortions in the life of the Negro American. ... The cycle can be broken only if these distortions are set right.". News flash...they still haven't been set right.

Thomas Sowell. Sheesh. So a man who said “How can a President of the United States be re-elected in a landslide after four years when unemployment never fell below 15% for even one month during his first term?”, when failing to mention that a) he's referencing FDR during the Great Depression and b) the unemployment rate was 25% when FDR was first elected, has all of the answers? A man who believes college students shouldn't do community service at homeless shelters because “feeding people who refuse to work”? Sorry...not a completely sane individual there, despite his merits. Also, if your upbringing makes you the person you wind up being as an adult, Sowell is a contradiction, considering he grew up in a non-traditional household.

Again, you're trying to simplify a complex issue.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Louis Farrakhan? You do understand I'm Jewish?

I cannot take anything this cat says seriously

 

[47WimanND]

Let me try to put this in simple terms that you can understand !
First, unless we are talking about the FBI , we have No National Police unless we call in the National
Guard to put down a riot !
Just about all police interaction with a person or community is City or State ! If A policeman commits
A crime, that city or state has the obligation to bring that policeman to trail and punish him or her to the full
Extent of the law.
If people are not happy with their local courts or politicians in the handling of police who commit crimes
Against their citizens, they have the obligation to elect better politicians to run their communities !
Incidentally , most of those communities are now governed and have been governed by DEMOCRATS for
Decades. The Liberals keep electing the same politicians so they get the same results !
In short, the Federal Government Does Not Hire local police, if the Protesting Athletes are so concerned
With their local communities, I think that that should get much more active in their local communities,
If they are still living in those communities , and sending their children to local schools ?
If not they will have to leave their highly priced neighborhoods to help out !
Disrespecting our National Anthem and flag, spitting in the faces of all veterans , those wounded, And killed, all their families, and all other Americans who love our Country, Flag and National Anthem Is counter productive. It is also the wrong target !
Of course, there is another solution: if the police are so evil , just keep them out of those communities Who do not want their presence ! See how that works out !

Local problem, local solution !

Much truth here. Especially the fact the Dems have controlled most major urban areas for decades. Yet the same people protesting keep electing the same Dems who keep doing nothing to fix the issues.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

What makes the protests invalid is when they try to protest things like police brutality, and lump into that instances where it wasn't the police who caused the problem.



It's not the job of everyone. You can say that it should be, and that's a valid opinion, but it's not the "job" of everyone. On top of that, there is only so much you can do to help. At some point society can't fix everything and help everyone. You can only do what's reasonable, and I'd argue we've well reached the point of reasonable.

1. There are a number of things being protested now. Its not just about police brutality, its easy to pick on police brutality because while we all can agree that killing people is not ideal there is grey areas to the instances of police brutality that require nuance and if anything is for sure this board hates nuance. So lets keep saying the protests are just about police brutality because thats the best way to create the strawman using a critque of a system and answering it with anecdotes.

2. It may not be the job of everyone but if its not then lets not pretend like those bible verses about helping our neighbors and the Sunday school lessons about being good Christians are that important either because I am pretty sure those lessons didn't define neighbors in the literal sense. I tend to agree that the the federal government doesn't have to fix everything but I am also not trying to be holier then thou when it comes arbitrary enforcement of moral obligations.

 

[topdecktiger]

1. There are a number of things being protested now. Its not just about police brutality, its easy to pick on police brutality because while we all can agree that killing people is not ideal there is grey areas to the instances of police brutality that require nuance and if anything is for sure this board hates nuance. So lets keep saying the protests are just about police brutality because thats the best way to create the strawman using a critque of a system and answering it with anecdotes.

2. It may not be the job of everyone but if its not then lets not pretend like those bible verses about helping our neighbors and the Sunday school lessons about being good Christians are that important either because I am pretty sure those lessons didn't define neighbors in the literal sense. I tend to agree that the the federal government doesn't have to fix everything but I am also not trying to be holier then thou when it comes arbitrary enforcement of moral obligations.

I know there are a number of issues being protested, and police brutality is one of them. Many of the well publicized police shootings don't require nuance. Police shootings tend to happen when the suspects are fighting with the police. Trying to turn a situation like that into evidence of racism is disingenuous. Along those lines, one problem with the protests is there really isn't a well-defined reason for the protests, which goes to the questions of the intention, sincerity, and validity of the protests and the issues themselves.

Well, see there's your problem. You're mixing moral obligation and government policy. It's very hard to make an objective argument in that case. Then it just comes down to personal belief, which can wildly vary. Aside from that, it's pretty tedious when people try to bring up Christian obligation and government policy, because Christianity is about individual action, not collective, government action. Basically, there is the push to align Christianity with a somewhat socialist viewpoint, and that's is simply a misrepresentation of actual Christian doctrine.

 

[ivan brunetti]

I know there are a number of issues being protested, and police brutality is one of them. Many of the well publicized police shootings don't require nuance. Police shootings tend to happen when the suspects are fighting with the police. Trying to turn a situation like that into evidence of racism is disingenuous. Along those lines, one problem with the protests is there really isn't a well-defined reason for the protests, which goes to the questions of the intention, sincerity, and validity of the protests and the issues themselves.

Well, see there's your problem. You're mixing moral obligation and government policy. It's very hard to make an objective argument in that case. Then it just comes down to personal belief, which can wildly vary. Aside from that, it's pretty tedious when people try to bring up Christian obligation and government policy, because Christianity is about individual action, not collective, government action. Basically, there is the push to align Christianity with a somewhat socialist viewpoint, and that's is simply a misrepresentation of actual Christian doctrine.

Take out racism as a root cause and you are still left with a problem than needs to be fixed.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

I know there are a number of issues being protested, and police brutality is one of them. Many of the well publicized police shootings don't require nuance. Police shootings tend to happen when the suspects are fighting with the police. Trying to turn a situation like that into evidence of racism is disingenuous. Along those lines, one problem with the protests is there really isn't a well-defined reason for the protests, which goes to the questions of the intention, sincerity, and validity of the protests and the issues themselves.

Well, see there's your problem. You're mixing moral obligation and government policy. It's very hard to make an objective argument in that case. Then it just comes down to personal belief, which can wildly vary. Aside from that, it's pretty tedious when people try to bring up Christian obligation and government policy, because Christianity is about individual action, not collective, government action. Basically, there is the push to align Christianity with a somewhat socialist viewpoint, and that's is simply a misrepresentation of actual Christian doctrine.

ok

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Take out racism as a root cause and you are still left with a problem than needs to be fixed.

No this is not a problem. He should not have done something to get pulled over. If he hadn't been doing whatever it was that he was doing the police would not have been there in the first place.

 

[deadirishpoet]

That's great you taught in the inner city in the 60s. But the 60s ended 47 years ago. Things do change, and your experience makes you an expert on the 60s, not 2017.

Also, your narrative doesn't make sense. If the majority of the students you worked with had their fathers listed as deceased, you were working in a school that had issues with an absentee father issue entirely different than children born out wedlock. If the children were born out of wedlock, the fathers would not have been listed on the birth certificate, and consequently, not listed on school paperwork. Did you ever consider that it was the school's policy to list the father as deceased when no father was on the birth certificate? It doesn't mean the father was dead or not in the kid's life. He just wasn't on the paperwork because he couldn't be there legally. And I highly doubt every student in the school was counseled by you.

I also perused the full reason.com article you referenced. You're quoting the author quoting Bill O'Reilly, who is referencing the D. Patrick Moynihan paper "The Negro Family: The Case for National Action". Obviously you cherry picked this editorial, which goes on to mention how conservatives overlook Moynihan's later statement in the same paper that "Three centuries of injustice have brought about deep-seated structural distortions in the life of the Negro American. ... The cycle can be broken only if these distortions are set right.". News flash...they still haven't been set right.

Thomas Sowell. Sheesh. So a man who said “How can a President of the United States be re-elected in a landslide after four years when unemployment never fell below 15% for even one month during his first term?”, when failing to mention that a) he's referencing FDR during the Great Depression and b) the unemployment rate was 25% when FDR was first elected, has all of the answers? A man who believes college students shouldn't do community service at homeless shelters because “feeding people who refuse to work”? Sorry...not a completely sane individual there, despite his merits. Also, if your upbringing makes you the person you wind up being as an adult, Sowell is a contradiction, considering he grew up in a non-traditional household.

Again, you're trying to simplify a complex issue.

That was quit an informative post, and it is a complex issue, losing the male head of the household in paramount you would think do you agree?

Democratic, policies have not done the inner-city poor any justice.

Now as for my good fiend rgc please don't short change him. The root causes are still there.

 

[topdecktiger]

Take out racism as a root cause and you are still left with a problem than needs to be fixed.

I'm not defending the police in the Philando Castile case. The problem is, you are never going to get rid of every single police shooting. You want everything to be perfect, and you simply aren't going to get that. In these high profile shootings that have been reported in the last few years, most of them were not like the Philando Castile case. You want to take a problem with an individual officer and try to apply that to other issues where the police weren't at fault.

No this is not a problem. He should not have done something to get pulled over. If he hadn't been doing whatever it was that he was doing the police would not have been there in the first place.

No, the problem is you want to lump this case in with others. Philando Castile's situation is nothing like Michael Brown, Eric Garner, or Alton Sterling. In the Castile case, the officer was at fault. IN the latter three, the officers were not at fault.

 

[47WimanND]

There are obviously problems that need to be fixed. But both sides would rather use these tragic incidents to promote an agenda. It happens on both the right and the left. Trump should not have used the "fire the sob" rhetoric. But Obama saying his son could have been Trayvon or his prejudging of the professor dust up early on in his presidency was just as prejudicial.

Race relations in the US suck because people would rather participate in groupthink versus looking each other in the eye and arriving at a solution.

I don't believe I have had "white privilege" in my life. Both my parents had to work (my dad two jobs) and I was a latchkey kid from 1st grade on.

You have to want to succeed and want to make things better. Sitting back and playing the blame game accomplishes nothing.

 

[ivan brunetti]

I'm not defending the police in the Philando Castile case. The problem is, you are never going to get rid of every single police shooting. You want everything to be perfect, and you simply aren't going to get that.

No, I don't expect everything to be perfect. We can should try and be better. So far, we seem afraid to even talk about the problem. And it isn't just fatal shootings. There are videos of police beatings, planting drugs on innocent people, etc. The police who are caught doing these things need to be arrested and charged. The police who are found to have aided them need to be fired and lose all pension benefits.

We need one law for all. There will never be a quick fix, but we can at least start and TRY to move towards "justice for all".

 

[deadirishpoet]

Temporary Memorial for two police officers being assassinated in New York City last year

 

[IRISHJD98]

Louis Farrakhan? You do understand I'm Jewish?

I cannot take anything this cat says seriously

DIP, not sure if you're responding to me or if someone I've got on ignore also mentioned him. But I referenced Farrakhan to suggest that if Republicans want to undermine the leadership influence of Democrats, they need to be prepared to lead and offer better ways to manage the poverty and crime problems or they might not like where the alternate leadership comes from.

 

[deadirishpoet]

DIP, not sure if you're responding to me or if someone I've got on ignore also mentioned him. But I referenced Farrakhan to suggest that if Republicans want to undermine the leadership influence of Democrats, they need to be prepared to lead and offer better ways to manage the poverty and crime problems or they might not like where the alternate leadership comes from.

Yes brother I was referring to you . Sorry for the confusion.
I couldn't agree with you more. What Republicans need to do is have a foot hole in those areas so they can counter anything Democrats are saying to sway them from listening.
I don't know why this hasn't happened there are plenty people of color( gosh I hate that term)who are conservative, but whom have yet to go in there and set something up.
Democrats have the Inner City Lockdown and yet the people there are buying into a false narrative about conservatives.
If there's anybody out there on the board who has a reason why this is I would love to hear it because I have no idea, or any answer.
All my time in the military I have mingled with Americans of every race and treated them and was treated as an individual not a race.

 

[IRISHJD98]

Yes brother I was referring to you . Sorry for the confusion.
I couldn't agree with you more. What Republicans need to do is have a foot hole in those areas so they can counter anything Democrats are saying to sway them from listening.
I don't know why this has it happened there are plenty people of color( gosh I hate that term)who are conservative, but whom has yet to go in there and set something up.
Democrats have the Inner City Lockdown and yet the people there are buying into a false narrative about conservatives.
If there's anybody out there on the board who has a reason why this is I would love to hear it because I have no idea, or any answer.
All my time in the military I have mingled with Americans of every race and treated them and was treated as an individual not a race.

I've got out of town family coming in, so this is my last quick post for the weekend probably. I think if conservatives want to change the narrative, they need to take action that people can see. Part of the reason why you see protests is that people keep getting unfulfilled promises that have made them cynical about all politicians.


And I really posted just to clarify, I wasn't suggesting that you and Farrakhan kindred spirits. Farrakhan is both a racist, an anti-american, and an anti-Semite, and I know you are none of those things.

 

[deadirishpoet]

I've got out of town family coming in, so this is my last quick post for the weekend probably. I think if conservatives want to change the narrative, they need to take action that people can see. Part of the reason why you see protests is that people keep getting unfulfilled promises that have made them cynical about all politicians.


And I really posted just to clarify, I wasn't suggesting that you and Farrakhan kindred spirits. Farrakhan is both a racist, an anti-american, and an anti-Semite, and I know you are none of those things.

It's all good brother enjoy the family and go Irish

 

[topdecktiger]

No, I don't expect everything to be perfect. We can should try and be better. So far, we seem afraid to even talk about the problem. And it isn't just fatal shootings. There are videos of police beatings, planting drugs on innocent people, etc. The police who are caught doing these things need to be arrested and charged. The police who are found to have aided them need to be fired and lose all pension benefits.

We need one law for all. There will never be a quick fix, but we can at least start and TRY to move towards "justice for all".

Nobody is afraid to talk about anything. There isn't a problem with punishing officers who break the law. The problem is, critics want punishment when cops don't break the law. That's why I brought up cases like Michael Brown and Alton Sterling. The police didn't break the law in those instances. It's not "justice for all" to demand arrest or conviction for those officers (as many critics have demanded) when they didn't break the law.

The problem with "trying" to be better is you have to take reasonable steps. For example, you brought up the case of Philando Castile. I want you to tell me what you think the failure was with the police department, and what you think would be reasonable to try and do better. I have not seen any evidence presented that would have given that police department any prior indication that the officer would act improperly. I'm not aware of any issues of inadequate training, performance issues, or personal issues that would have indicated to the department this officer might act improperly. From everything I have seen, the police department did everything reasonable to train and equip the officer to properly do his job. The officer just flat out overreacted and made a bad decision.

 

[ivan brunetti]

Nobody is afraid to talk about anything. There isn't a problem with punishing officers who break the law. The problem is, critics want punishment when cops don't break the law. That's why I brought up cases like Michael Brown and Alton Sterling. The police didn't break the law in those instances. It's not "justice for all" to demand arrest or conviction for those officers (as many critics have demanded) when they didn't break the law.

The problem with "trying" to be better is you have to take reasonable steps. For example, you brought up the case of Philando Castile. I want you to tell me what you think the failure was with the police department, and what you think would be reasonable to try and do better. I have not seen any evidence presented that would have given that police department any prior indication that the officer would act improperly. I'm not aware of any issues of inadequate training, performance issues, or personal issues that would have indicated to the department this officer might act improperly. From everything I have seen, the police department did everything reasonable to train and equip the officer to properly do his job. The officer just flat out overreacted and made a bad decision.

The failure of the police department was not charging the officer who made "a bad decision". The driver was guilty of nothing more than being black. With his girlfriend and her four year old daughter in the car, they didn't even match who the police were looking for.

 

[topdecktiger]

The failure of the police department was not charging the officer who made "a bad decision". The driver was guilty of nothing more than being black. With his girlfriend and her four year old daughter in the car, they didn't even match who the police were looking for.

I don't know what rock you've been living under, but the officer who shot Philando Castile was ARRESTED AND CHARGED WITH MURDER. He was tried in June of this year, and the jury found him not guilty. He was also acquitted of additional firearms charges.

See, this is the EXACT problem I have with people like you and the protesters. You are completely uninformed, and then you make grossly inaccurate claims of racism, when you in fact are completely clueless as to the facts of these situations.

 

[rgc7]

That's great you taught in the inner city in the 60s. But the 60s ended 47 years ago. Things do change, and your experience makes you an expert on the 60s, not 2017.

Also, your narrative doesn't make sense. If the majority of the students you worked with had their fathers listed as deceased, you were working in a school that had issues with an absentee father issue entirely different than children born out wedlock. If the children were born out of wedlock, the fathers would not have been listed on the birth certificate, and consequently, not listed on school paperwork. Did you ever consider that it was the school's policy to list the father as deceased when no father was on the birth certificate? It doesn't mean the father was dead or not in the kid's life. He just wasn't on the paperwork because he couldn't be there legally. And I highly doubt every student in the school was counseled by you.

I also perused the full reason.com article you referenced. You're quoting the author quoting Bill O'Reilly, who is referencing the D. Patrick Moynihan paper "The Negro Family: The Case for National Action". Obviously you cherry picked this editorial, which goes on to mention how conservatives overlook Moynihan's later statement in the same paper that "Three centuries of injustice have brought about deep-seated structural distortions in the life of the Negro American. ... The cycle can be broken only if these distortions are set right.". News flash...they still haven't been set right.

Thomas Sowell. Sheesh. So a man who said “How can a President of the United States be re-elected in a landslide after four years when unemployment never fell below 15% for even one month during his first term?”, when failing to mention that a) he's referencing FDR during the Great Depression and b) the unemployment rate was 25% when FDR was first elected, has all of the answers? A man who believes college students shouldn't do community service at homeless shelters because “feeding people who refuse to work”? Sorry...not a completely sane individual there, despite his merits. Also, if your upbringing makes you the person you wind up being as an adult, Sowell is a contradiction, considering he grew up in a non-traditional household.

Again, you're trying to simplify a complex issue.

1. No birth certificates were require by the school. A parent simply filled out the form. They were not not questioned on The veracity of what they wrote on the form nor asked to provide documentation!
2. wherever the father was, he was listed as dead ! Which I found apquestionable ?
3. Never said I counseled every student in the school. So stop putting in things that I never said !
4. There were three other counselors, so my sample was 1/4 of all the students , a good reflection of the general school population in any sampling !
5. Since you do not believe my statistics, where are yours ? I see none , so you talk a lot but but don't
Present facts.
Question : my Wikipedia quotes the 70 % figure ! Where are your figures ? I see none ! I have always found Wikipedia to be be very factual and accurate !
6. Damm right that the issue is complex. People who blame other people for their problems Create a very complex problem for society, and no amount of federal money is going to solve it ! If they believe that they are helpless victims, then they will never succeed !
Each and every individual must solve his own problems. That is the solution and the only solution.
That is how every other racial and ethnic group over came poverty and prejudice ! Pick any group you
Like Jewish, Irish, Italian , Asian, Hispanic, polish, you name it , including an ever increasing number of black people !

1. Self motivation, 2 study, 3 hard work , and taking personal responsibility for ever success and failure. That is not only my view, but my personal experience as well !
Louis Armstrong's quote : " Born poor, died rich, and never hurt anyone along the way "
Fits my experience perfectly as well, of course with the exception of the fact that I hope I have a few years left ?
So I can at this time say: " I was born POOR ( Extremely poor, you can most likely never even begin to imagine how poor ) faced adversity, worked hard , studied hard, got rich, and never hurt anyone along the way "
Agree or disagree ! Makes no difference to me ! I'll give you the last word !

 

[deadirishpoet]

1. No birth certificates were require by the school. A parent simply filled out the form. They were not not questioned on The veracity of what they wrote on the form nor asked to provide documentation!
2. wherever the father was, he was listed as dead ! Which I found apquestionable ?
3. Never said I counseled every student in the school. So stop putting in things that I never said !
4. There were three other counselors, so my sample was 1/4 of all the students , a good reflection of the general school population in any sampling !
5. Since you do not believe my statistics, where are yours ? I see none , so you talk a lot but but don't
Present facts.
Question : my Wikipedia quotes the 70 % figure ! Where are your figures ? I see none ! I have always found Wikipedia to be be very factual and accurate !
6. Damm right that the issue is complex. People who blame other people for their problems Create a very complex problem for society, and no amount of federal money is going to solve it ! If they believe that they are helpless victims, then they will never succeed !
Each and every individual must solve his own problems. That is the solution and the only solution.
That is how every other racial and ethnic group over came poverty and prejudice ! Pick any group you
Like Jewish, Irish, Italian , Asian, Hispanic, polish, you name it , including an ever increasing number of black people !

1. Self motivation, 2 study, 3 hard work , and taking personal responsibility for ever success and failure. That is not only my view, but my personal experience as well !
Louis Armstrong's quote : " Born poor, died rich, and never hurt anyone along the way "
Fits my experience perfectly as well, of course with the exception of the fact that I hope I have a few years left ?
So I can at this time say: " I was born POOR ( Extremely poor, you can most likely never even begin to imagine how poor ) faced adversity, worked hard , studied hard, got rich, and never hurt anyone along the way "
Agree or disagree ! Makes no difference to me ! I'll give you the last word !

Freaking be self-reliant.

 

[Pennick44]

Temporary Memorial for two police officers being assassinated in New York City last year

I was just thinking that nobody has mentioned the 5 cops shot in Dallas in 2016. People don't realize how difficult and dangerous that job is.

 

[NotreDomer1]

I was just thinking that nobody has mentioned the 5 cops shot in Dallas in 2016. People don't realize how difficult and dangerous that job is.

It's funny you mention this. I was discussing these posts with my wife last weekend and I asked her why nobody ever talks about Dallas. How could something so tragic be forgotten so quickly. Or how about the cops that were lured to places only to be shot dead? Nobody talks about them.

Now that's tragic.

 

[binhamin]

1. No birth certificates were require by the school. A parent simply filled out the form. They were not not questioned on The veracity of what they wrote on the form nor asked to provide documentation!
2. wherever the father was, he was listed as dead ! Which I found apquestionable ?
3. Never said I counseled every student in the school. So stop putting in things that I never said !
4. There were three other counselors, so my sample was 1/4 of all the students , a good reflection of the general school population in any sampling !
5. Since you do not believe my statistics, where are yours ? I see none , so you talk a lot but but don't
Present facts.
Question : my Wikipedia quotes the 70 % figure ! Where are your figures ? I see none ! I have always found Wikipedia to be be very factual and accurate !
6. Damm right that the issue is complex. People who blame other people for their problems Create a very complex problem for society, and no amount of federal money is going to solve it ! If they believe that they are helpless victims, then they will never succeed !
Each and every individual must solve his own problems. That is the solution and the only solution.
That is how every other racial and ethnic group over came poverty and prejudice ! Pick any group you
Like Jewish, Irish, Italian , Asian, Hispanic, polish, you name it , including an ever increasing number of black people !

1. Self motivation, 2 study, 3 hard work , and taking personal responsibility for ever success and failure. That is not only my view, but my personal experience as well !
Louis Armstrong's quote : " Born poor, died rich, and never hurt anyone along the way "
Fits my experience perfectly as well, of course with the exception of the fact that I hope I have a few years left ?
So I can at this time say: " I was born POOR ( Extremely poor, you can most likely never even begin to imagine how poor ) faced adversity, worked hard , studied hard, got rich, and never hurt anyone along the way "
Agree or disagree ! Makes no difference to me ! I'll give you the last word !

If you were a counselor in charge of 1/4th of the school population, and didn't see every student in that 1/4th of the population, as is usually the case with school counselors, your sample size is too small to draw a broad sweeping conclusion like you have. And you invalidated any assumption on data by stating that the mother wasn't required to prove anything about the father. They all put deceased? Then you don't know who was lying and who was telling the truth. You didn't state if you bothered to find out if the parent wrote that on the forms you had or if that was put on later due to a district policy. Sorry, but you have bad data.

I haven't provided any data? All I've done is torn apart your flawed data. You haven't presented a single valid fact. Your whole basis of knowledge is that you know what's wrong with the black community because you read some facts on Wikipedia and taught and counseled a few kids in an inner city school.

That's great that you find Wikipedia is to be factual and accurate.You do know ANYONE can edit Wikipedia, and that it is not allowed as a reference source for any credible research work, right? Click the edit link on any wiki. Boom. You can edit it.

But let's address that 70% total you're focusing on. The data is pulled from an ongoing CDC study that covers a very specific question: was the child born to a married parent? If the answer is no, the child is included in the total. That leave a lot of gray area in the data. If the parents are co-habitating and not married, still included. If the parent later marries the father or someone else, the statistics don't change. Mother is financially well to do and chooses to get inseminated or is a lesbian living with a partner? Included. So that 70% you got from the CDC via Wikipedia isn't quite as solid as you think.

Since you want to point out what I missed, why not mention that the other article you quoted? The one you halfway read to find something to validate your point, when I pointed out where your quote came from and a bigger contradictory revelation in the same article? Is it now invalid because it doesn't support your facts?

Regarding your statement 6th statement...so ongoing systematic racism is the fault of the people experiencing it? Fewer opportunities to escape poverty than someone born around when you were are their fault? Crappy schools that don't adequately prepare them for college or the workforce are their fault? You can take responsibility for all of that, work harder than anyone else to get ahead, and still fail. It's a simple fact that everyone cannot be successful. But we as a society can make sure that those who don't succeed aren't destitute. And if you were coding people to mean black, well, do you really think that 50 years is long enough for the effects of redlining to fully go away? For job discrimination in hiring and promotion opportunities to completely cease? For predatory credit practices to end?

"That is how every other racial and ethnic group over came poverty and prejudice ! Pick any group you
Like Jewish, Irish, Italian , Asian, Hispanic, polish, you name it , including an ever increasing number of black people !"

Oh boy.

Irish, Italian, and Polish people can claim to be white unless it suits them to do otherwise, and they did not have laws written to keep them separate but not even close to equal until less than 50 years ago. Jewish and Asian people still experience racism, but it's more subtle and frequently dismissed as racism, even though it really is. Hispanics...are you kidding me? Joe Arpaio. Latinos being questioned if they're here legally. I could go on and on. Even rich black people experience prejudice. And there are still poor people in all of those ethnicities, especially Latinos. The 2nd highest percentage of people living in poverty in correlation to their population in this country are Latinos. Prejudice and poverty still exist in both of those groups.

See, now I get your thought process. You feel that since you succeeded, why can't everyone else? You can't fathom that everyone isn't given the same chance to succeed. You've never experienced racism, so in your mind, it's this lame excuse that people have to explain why they can't succeed. Unfortunately, the America you think exists isn't the same America a nice portion of America experiences.

 

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I was just thinking that nobody has mentioned the 5 cops shot in Dallas in 2016. People don't realize how difficult and dangerous that job is.

If you were a counselor in charge of 1/4th of the school population up, and didn't see every student in that 1/4th of the population, as is usually the case with school counselors, your sample size is too small to draw a broad sweeping conclusion like you have. And you invalidated any assumption on data by stating that the mother wasn't required to prove anything about the father. They all put deceased? Then you don't know who was lying and who was telling the truth. You didn't state if you bothered to find out if the parent wrote that on the forms you had or if that was put on later due to a district policy. Sorry, but you have bad data.

I haven't provided any data? All I've done is torn apart your flawed data. You haven't presented a single valid fact. Your whole basis of knowledge is that you know what's wrong with the black community because you read some facts on Wikipedia and taught and counseled a few kids in an inner city school.

That's great that you find Wikipedia is to be factual and accurate.You do know ANYONE can edit Wikipedia, and that it is not allowed as a reference source for any credible research work, right? Click the edit link on any wiki. Boom. You can edit it.

But let's address that 70% total you're focusing on. The data is pulled from an ongoing CDC study that covers a very specific question: was the child born to a married parent? If the answer is no, the child is included in the total. That leave a lot of gray area in the data. If the parents are co-habitating and not married, still included. If the parent later marries the father or someone else, the statistics don't change. Mother is financially well to do and chooses to get inseminated or is a lesbian living with a partner? Included. So that 70% you got from the CDC via Wikipedia isn't quite as solid as you think.

Since you want to point out what I missed, why not mention that the other article you quoted? The one you halfway read to find something to validate your point, when I pointed out where your quote came from and a bigger contradictory revelation in the same article? Is it now invalid because it doesn't support your facts?

Regarding your statement 6th statement...so ongoing systematic racism is the fault of the people experiencing it? Fewer opportunities to escape poverty than someone born around when you were are their fault? Crappy schools that don't adequately prepare them for college or the workforce are their fault? You can take responsibility for all of that, work harder than anyone else to get ahead, and still fail. It's a simple fact that everyone cannot be successful. But we as a society can make sure that those who don't succeed aren't destitute. And if you were coding people to mean black, well, do you really think that 50 years is long enough for the effects of redlining to fully go away? For job discrimination in hiring and promotion opportunities to completely cease? For predatory credit practices to end?

"That is how every other racial and ethnic group over came poverty and prejudice ! Pick any group you
Like Jewish, Irish, Italian , Asian, Hispanic, polish, you name it , including an ever increasing number of black people !"

Oh boy.

Irish, Italian, and Polish people can claim to be white unless it suits them to do otherwise, and they did not have laws written to keep them separate but not even close to equal until less than 50 years ago. Jewish and Asian people still experience racism, but it's more subtle and frequently dismissed as racism, even though it really is. Hispanics...are you kidding me? Joe Arpaio. Latinos being questioned if they're here legally. I could go on and on. Even rich black people experience prejudice. And there are still poor people in all of those ethnicities, especially Latinos. The 2nd highest percentage of people living in poverty in correlation to their population in this country are Latinos. Prejudice and poverty still exist in both of those groups.

See, now I get your thought process. You feel that since you succeeded, why can't everyone else? You can't fathom that everyone isn't given the same chance to succeed. You've never experienced racism, so in your mind, it's this lame excuse that people have to explain why they can't succeed. Unfortunately, the America you think exists isn't the same America a nice portion of America experiences.

I imagine Jason Riley would dispute a lot of your talking points.