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Tebow Bible Verses and Kneelers

I don't understand people who are upset with the kneeling but are okay with this kind of thing happening repeatedly:

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"Hartford, CT — Last year, police released dash camera footage of a controversial arrest — showing an officer in street clothes walk up to a handcuffed suspect sitting on the curb, and kick his head into the ground — it hit so hard, it bounced. Several other officers were also involved in attacking two restrained suspects. They admitted to doing it and covering it up, and now, two of them are being promoted while another gets a golden parachute.

Officers Steven Barone and Detective Christopher Mastroianni, who were recently punished for excessive force and lying on police reports, were just promoted to sergeant last week. What’s more, the officer seen on video stomping a suspect’s head, Sean Spell, who was arrested for his role in the attack, was allowed to quietly retire and avoid all accountability.

On June 4, officers pursued Ricardo Perez and Emilio Diaz through the streets of Hartford and West Hartford in a vehicle police suspected to be stolen. When the chase ended, officers arrested the pair — but the details of those arrests became the subject of multiple investigations when supervisors saw the bloody mugshots of the suspects.

The concerns over excessive force intensified in October, after Hartford police released dash camera footage of a controversial arrest — showing former Sgt. Sean Spell, 46, in street clothes walk up to a handcuffed suspect sitting on the curb, and kick his head into the ground.

Spell retired from the force amid the probe and now, this 46-year-old will draw an annual pension of $129,977 from Hartford, paid out in monthly installments of $10,831—for the rest of his life—for stomping a handcuffed man’s head.

Receiving only a slap on the wrist for their role in the case, however, Mastroianni and Barone will go on to receive higher pay and continue to police the citizens of Hartford as they get rewarded with a promotion. "

That kind of stuff is not happening regularly but you know what it is?

Look at the murder rate in Chicago!
 
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Let me try to put this in simple terms that you can understand !
First, unless we are talking about the FBI , we have No National Police unless we call in the National
Guard to put down a riot !
Just about all police interaction with a person or community is City or State ! If A policeman commits
A crime, that city or state has the obligation to bring that policeman to trail and punish him or her to the full
Extent of the law.
If people are not happy with their local courts or politicians in the handling of police who commit crimes
Against their citizens, they have the obligation to elect better politicians to run their communities !
Incidentally , most of those communities are now governed and have been governed by DEMOCRATS for
Decades. The Liberals keep electing the same politicians so they get the same results !
In short, the Federal Government Does Not Hire local police, if the Protesting Athletes are so concerned
With their local communities, I think that that should get much more active in their local communities,
If they are still living in those communities , and sending their children to local schools ?
If not they will have to leave their highly priced neighborhoods to help out !
Disrespecting our National Anthem and flag, spitting in the faces of all veterans , those wounded, And killed, all their families, and all other Americans who love our Country, Flag and National Anthem Is counter productive. It is also the wrong target !
Of course, there is another solution: if the police are so evil , just keep them out of those communities Who do not want their presence ! See how that works out !

Local problem, local solution !


Excellent post Brother
 
It amazes me how out of reality most in America and many on this board are to the reality of the situation.

This is not about the flag it is about the right for peaceful protest. The men in the NFL have every right to use their forum to protest what they see as shortfalls in our society and each of us has every right to turn off the TV or turn in our tickets.

Much of this is on Trump, a terrible human being, but much more has been brewing for years.
That is just so wrong in so many ways. 1st, Trump in a highly caring person who is trying to bring real justice to the DC corruption. 2nd, it is about the flag. We fought not so you could desecrate it but so you would be able to stand free and honor it. Those of you who think so many fought and died so you could do whatever you want, haven't been there. As a veteran with 24+ years of military service and owner of a Bronze Star and Legion of Merit I can assure you we neither agree with or condone the kneeling actions. Most of these pampered babies have never worn the uniform, either military or civilian, or for that matter ever bothered to help those who they say they represent. This is just a way to disrespect society. As to your opening statement they don't have that right. The NFL Rule Book and the League/Players CBO says they don't. Don't let facts get in your way--just pretend your bias stands for truth.
 
Thanks Brother,

That is the problem with all the protesting ! With few exceptions they are shooting at the wrong
Targets or they don't even have any idea what the target is.
Let's take Michael Brown as an example : he was a hoodlum, a bum, and a bully. He just finished intimidating a local merchant, then went outside and attacked a policeman and in the scuffle
Got shot and killed.
The question then arises : how many people in the local community actually knew Brown ?
How many people actually gave a s..... that Brown got killed ?
Why did the False Media even cover it and make it a National Event ?
Who paid for and brought in all the outside mobs who came in to cause riots, looting, and mayhem ?
It should have been just another local issue and handled at the local level.
President Obama and to a larger extent the Democrats have used the race card to keep the status quo
In the Black Community. It keeps them ( the Democrats ) in power. The Democrats have the same narrative:
" The black people are victims of society and the White Privileged Class "
President Obama was the most divisive President in my life time, and the Democrats , with help from
The National Media, the Universities, radical left led by George Soros, are Progressively trying to destroy
Our Republic by attacking everything Americans have held " Sacred since our founding "
Our Constitution, Our Electoral College, Our history, Our Founding Fathers, Our monuments, Our Flag,
Our National Anthem, etc, etc, etc.
I am now watching the debate on tax reform. Schemer just came on and used the old Democrat argument: Dividing Rich and Poor ! " A tax on the poor, Social Security, Medicare, etc "
" Divide and conquer " the Democrats are masters of that game "
That is the Swamp and there are enough Republicans in the Swamp as well as Democrats.
 
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That kind of stuff is not happening regularly but you know what it is?

Look at the murder rate in Chicago!

Several hundred times per year is "regular" as far as I am concerned.

And again: whites murder their white neighbors and blacks murder their black neighbors. And violent crime is more prevalent among the poor. You want to make the poor less poor? Have the federal government pay for public schools.
 
Several hundred times per year is "regular" as far as I am concerned.

And again: whites murder their white neighbors and blacks murder their black neighbors. And violent crime is more prevalent among the poor. You want to make the poor less poor? Have the federal government pay for public schools.
 
Several hundred times per year is "regular" as far as I am concerned.

And again: whites murder their white neighbors and blacks murder their black neighbors. And violent crime is more prevalent among the poor. You want to make the poor less poor? Have the federal government pay for public schools.


Show me stats where that stuff is happening several hundred times a year.
How in the hell if the federal government was to run public schools will that make the poor less poor?
I would like to see the stats for that as well
 
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The Federal Government grants lots of money to Public Schools ! A much better solution is to have
Two parent homes, take an interest in your child's education, see that the child actually behaves
In class, does homework, studies, sets goals and plans for the future.
Most importantly , takes personal responsibility for his own failures and successes !
Everyone controls their own destiny !
If I fail, it is not your fault, or Obama's fault, Trump's fault, it is my fault ! So I take the responsibility,
Take the fall, and then get off my A..., and try again !
 
Show me stats where that stuff is happening several hundred times a year.
How in the hell if the federal government was to run public schools will that make the poor less poor?
I would like to see the stats for that as well

Show you official police stats of police abusing people? That is part of the problem. The police don't keep such records. Here is a glimpse at the tip of the iceberg: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/cops-arrested_us_576c2e13e4b0cedfa4b9470f

And whenever there is a problem with the military, our solution is to pour more money on. Time to use the same problem solving technique with public schools in poor areas.
 
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The Federal Government has been pouring money down that SEWER since LBJ's Great Society !
It still is ! The problem is that all the money in the World will not bring about learning unless the students
Are motivated to work, study, and learn !
Give me motivated students and I can teach them in an abondoned building, a cellar, or a tent !
All it takes is motivated students , nothing else ! ,!
 
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The Federal Government has been pouring money down that SEWER since LBJ's Great Society !
It still is ! The problem is that all the money in the World will not bring about learning unless the students
Are motivated to work, study, and learn !
Give me motivated students and I can teach them in an abondoned building, a cellar, or a tent !
All it takes is motivated students , nothing else ! ,!
Exactly
 
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If you allow people to stand for the anthem you have to also allow them to kneel. If you don't want them to potentially kneel, then stop playing the anthem. It is like the NFL wanting all the players to recite out loud The Lord's Prayer before a game. Not every player is going to be okay with that.
Hmm. My usual image of ND fans is they are pretty smart. I guess not so.
 
For all you Pittsburgh Steeler and Tampa Bay Buc fans.

I find it terribly ironic that you complain about guys protesting what they feel is police violence towards a specific group of Americans yet you celebrate your starting quarterbacks who raped women but paid their way out of scrutiny in civil court.

Please shut up!
 
The Federal Government grants lots of money to Public Schools ! A much better solution is to have
Two parent homes, take an interest in your child's education, see that the child actually behaves
In class, does homework, studies, sets goals and plans for the future.
Most importantly , takes personal responsibility for his own failures and successes !
Everyone controls their own destiny !
If I fail, it is not your fault, or Obama's fault, Trump's fault, it is my fault ! So I take the responsibility,
Take the fall, and then get off my A..., and try again !
So we just tell the 8 year old who's parents aren't "good parents" hey take responsibility for your own failures? What color is the sky in your world man.
 
So we just tell the 8 year old who's parents aren't "good parents" hey take responsibility for your own failures? What color is the sky in your world man.
This is vhere it gets complicated. The 8 yr old child didn't ask for this to be its lot in life, but churches and charities should help this family not the government. It's not their role in this great republic. Now if abuse is involved then you open up a whole can of worms
 
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So we just tell the 8 year old who's parents aren't "good parents" hey take responsibility for your own failures? What color is the sky in your world man.

Two points if you read my post carefully, I clearly stated the problem as being the breakup of the traditional
Black Family ! Education starts in the home ! Parents must take the responsibility for the education of their
Children. The school is an auxiliary to the parent, not the other way around.
If the child is not motivated to learn, that child will not learn !
Education and educators are the stream of water " knowledge " , but as the old saying goes: " You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. "
You bring up an unfortunate situation of your 8 year old child. However, that goes back to my original
Point, and the root cause of most of the problems in the Black Community.
1. The break up of the traditional black family resulting in 2. The lack of guidance and motivation
And personal responsibility to the children that must come from the parents.
Pour all the money you want into the problem, but unless the root cause of the problem is
Fixed, no amount of money will be enough.
 
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Two points if you read my post carefully, I clearly stated the problem as being the breakup of the traditional
Black Family ! Education starts in the home ! Parents must take the responsibility for the education of their
Children. The school is an auxiliary to the parent, not the other way around.
If the child is not motivated to learn, that child will not learn !
Education and educators are the stream of water " knowledge " , but as the old saying goes: " You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. "
You bring up an unfortunate situation of your 8 year old child. However, that goes back to my original
Point, and the root cause of most of the problems in the Black Community.
1. The break up of the traditional black family resulting in 2. The lack of guidance and motivation
And personal responsibility to the children that must come from the parents.
Pour all the money you want into the problem, but unless the root cause of the problem is
Fixed, no amount of money will be enough.

First off, you need to get updated to your "facts". And your simplification of a complex issue is laughable.

First, the CDC released a study 2 years ago that stated that black fathers, when compared to white and latino fathers in similar living situations (living with and not living with the mother of their offspring), just as or more involved in the lives of their children. So there goes that outdated argument.

Secondly, your "facts" seem to assume that every black family is the same...almost as if black people have a hive mind and everyone thinks alike. I would suggest you change that line of thinking. Might help you to see the world a bit differently.

Next...the notion that the break up of the traditional black family leads to a lack of guidance and motivation. Interesting thought, but it's a horribly wrong assumption. Again, see the 2nd point. There are multitudes of black men and women out there right now who are law abiding citizens that grew up with one parent. Having a single parent is not a death knell nor any sign that a child is destined to fail. If it was, the world would have been deprived of the talents of people like Jackie Robinson, LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Eddie Murphy, Alicia Keys, Samuel L. Jackson...the list goes on and on and is not limited to just famous individuals.

By the way, there are multitudes of people of all ethnicities who were raised in a single parent environment and are thriving. Moot point.

You are right on one thing...education does start in the home. But when children attend the same schools failed their parents, uncles, aunts, and probably the grandparents as well, who is there to push the child's education that actually understands what it takes to succeed in school?

22% of African-Americans live below the poverty line according the latest census. The poorest areas of the country tend to have the highest levels of drug usage, alcohol abuse (amazing how many liquor stores are in poor areas), high unemployment, the worst schools, and a lack of consistent after school activities. Considering these issues feed into each other and are compounded by other issues that affect black people that still exist despite contrary beliefs, the problem is far from what you perceive it to be.
 
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This is vhere it gets complicated. The 8 yr old child didn't ask for this to be its lot in life, but churches and charities should help this family not the government. It's not their role in this great republic. Now if abuse is involved then you open up a whole can of worms
But churches and charities don't/can't help all the kids who have terrible parents.
 
Two points if you read my post carefully, I clearly stated the problem as being the breakup of the traditional
Black Family ! Education starts in the home ! Parents must take the responsibility for the education of their
Children. The school is an auxiliary to the parent, not the other way around.
If the child is not motivated to learn, that child will not learn !
Education and educators are the stream of water " knowledge " , but as the old saying goes: " You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. "
You bring up an unfortunate situation of your 8 year old child. However, that goes back to my original
Point, and the root cause of most of the problems in the Black Community.
1. The break up of the traditional black family resulting in 2. The lack of guidance and motivation
And personal responsibility to the children that must come from the parents.
Pour all the money you want into the problem, but unless the root cause of the problem is
Fixed, no amount of money will be enough.
1. The issues you talk about aren't just Black but go on.
2. Even if you identify the problem you can't just say welp if the idea of family hadn't deteriorated you would be better sucks to be you kid.
 
But churches and charities don't/can't help all the kids who have terrible parents.
Well if that's the case and neither can big government.

Churches and Charities have been taking care of the needy for centuries.
Maybe if they stop flooding this country with the poor, and bringing those who can contribute legally that would help some of the problems

To think their communities cannot help them but big government can is a sad statement
 
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,......"22% of African-Americans live below the poverty line according the latest census. The poorest areas of the country tend to have the highest levels of drug usage, alcohol abuse (amazing how many liquor stores are in poor areas), high unemployment, the worst schools, and a lack of consistent after school activities. Considering these issues feed into each other and are compounded by other issues that affect black people that still exist despite contrary beliefs, the problem is far from what you perceive it to be."

And those areas are heavily Democratic.
It's possible that might be the problem there
 
Well if that's the case and neither can big government.

Churches and Charities have been taking care of the needy for centuries.
Maybe if they stop flooding this country with the poor, and bringing those who can contribute legally that would help some of the problems

To think their communities cannot help them but big government can is a sad statement
Majority of the kids we are talking about aren't immigrants that have flooded the country. The critical truth is that people do not give enough to churches or charities to where they can help all the children in lower developed income areas. To rely only on privatized methods of aid for these kids would (1) Risk just internalizing generational poverty and (2) only further the gap as people are more likely to help their local area rather then universal issues, thus areas where income development is prevalent are going to have more active and successful charities but areas where it isn't are going to continue to fall farther behind. Reliance on Federalism is not a great answer but it is a better answer then the alternatives we have and it is definitely better then what some on her are advocating, which is just leave the kids as they are because its their parents' fault.
 
1) Welfare should only be a short term fix as it only traps the individual, and limits self reliance.
2) Churches especially in needy areas are very active, but are losing membership because the family structure is being replaced with babies having babies, and Big Government is to busy removing Gods place, and filling the void with mis- handled money taken, and not given preventing more to charitable donations due to over taxation

Reliance on Federalism is the only answer Government has to know its constitutional places
 
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First, I taught and counseled in an inner city school for a number of year in the 1960's,
Had access to all students records, and the large majority of those records had the father
Listed as " Deceased " . Very odd ! The situation was bad then and has deteriorated since !

" African American Family Structure "
Wikipedia
" Almost 70 % of black children are born to single mothers in 2011"

" The Black Family Today "
Reason. Com, Feb 2, 2015
" The reason there is so much violence and chaos in the Black Precincts is the disintegration of the Black Family "

Also check the writings of Thomas Sowell on that subject if you are interested in facts ?
 
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All the unwed pregnancies has definetly led to such a breakdown in the black community. You cannot say with all these bastardo's running amok in the inner city that there isn't a direct correlation.
 
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