Tebow Bible Verses and Kneelers
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The NFL is a corporation that has no interest in a labour dispute with it's players. Nor does it want to get tangled up into what has morphed into a race issue. They are caught between a rock and a hard place. If they support the President, their players band together and go on strike and the league loses hundreds of millions of dollars during what is already a short season. My guess is that owners and the league office probably wish the players would adhere to the guidelines and would stand quietly for the anthem, because that would be best for business. The worst thing they can do for business (in season) is piss the players off to the point that they walk out in season. That would be disastrous.
Don't be shocked if they implement some kind of rule that they stand by in the off season in order to bring the fans they are losing back and also appease the players at the same time.
Different.
For what it's worth, my understanding is that the NFL's policy on writing things on your shoes is content-neutral. The writing good have a bible verse or say "God sucks" and the same rationale would apply.
I watched before cancelling my ESPN the 30 for 30 on the "Scabs". They basically caught up with the former Redskin players who were the best of the replacement players. Guess what? The fans actually started chanting for the scabs when the real players came back. If an owner had some you know what. He would tell players if they disrespect the flag heres the penalty. Also there would be a line out the door with replacements to take over these ungrateful SOB's. I honestly don't think the NFL recovers from this. I guess time will tell. If your team is sub 500 and your pissed to begin with. WTF would you go to a game? Thanksgiving this year as you get ready to have some turkey and be grateful for what you have. You want to stare at a millionaire kneeling?
Yeah, like keeping the players in the locker room until after the anthem is played.
I don't understand people who are upset with the kneeling but are okay with this kind of thing happening repeatedly:
"Hartford, CT — Last year, police released dash camera footage of a controversial arrest — showing an officer in street clothes walk up to a handcuffed suspect sitting on the curb, and kick his head into the ground — it hit so hard, it bounced. Several other officers were also involved in attacking two restrained suspects. They admitted to doing it and covering it up, and now, two of them are being promoted while another gets a golden parachute.
Officers Steven Barone and Detective Christopher Mastroianni, who were recently punished for excessive force and lying on police reports, were just promoted to sergeant last week. What’s more, the officer seen on video stomping a suspect’s head, Sean Spell, who was arrested for his role in the attack, was allowed to quietly retire and avoid all accountability.
On June 4, officers pursued Ricardo Perez and Emilio Diaz through the streets of Hartford and West Hartford in a vehicle police suspected to be stolen. When the chase ended, officers arrested the pair — but the details of those arrests became the subject of multiple investigations when supervisors saw the bloody mugshots of the suspects.
The concerns over excessive force intensified in October, after Hartford police released dash camera footage of a controversial arrest — showing former Sgt. Sean Spell, 46, in street clothes walk up to a handcuffed suspect sitting on the curb, and kick his head into the ground.
Spell retired from the force amid the probe and now, this 46-year-old will draw an annual pension of $129,977 from Hartford, paid out in monthly installments of $10,831—for the rest of his life—for stomping a handcuffed man’s head.
Receiving only a slap on the wrist for their role in the case, however, Mastroianni and Barone will go on to receive higher pay and continue to police the citizens of Hartford as they get rewarded with a promotion. "
"Hartford, CT — Last year, police released dash camera footage of a controversial arrest — showing an officer in street clothes walk up to a handcuffed suspect sitting on the curb, and kick his head into the ground — it hit so hard, it bounced. Several other officers were also involved in attacking two restrained suspects. They admitted to doing it and covering it up, and now, two of them are being promoted while another gets a golden parachute.
Officers Steven Barone and Detective Christopher Mastroianni, who were recently punished for excessive force and lying on police reports, were just promoted to sergeant last week. What’s more, the officer seen on video stomping a suspect’s head, Sean Spell, who was arrested for his role in the attack, was allowed to quietly retire and avoid all accountability.
On June 4, officers pursued Ricardo Perez and Emilio Diaz through the streets of Hartford and West Hartford in a vehicle police suspected to be stolen. When the chase ended, officers arrested the pair — but the details of those arrests became the subject of multiple investigations when supervisors saw the bloody mugshots of the suspects.
The concerns over excessive force intensified in October, after Hartford police released dash camera footage of a controversial arrest — showing former Sgt. Sean Spell, 46, in street clothes walk up to a handcuffed suspect sitting on the curb, and kick his head into the ground.
Spell retired from the force amid the probe and now, this 46-year-old will draw an annual pension of $129,977 from Hartford, paid out in monthly installments of $10,831—for the rest of his life—for stomping a handcuffed man’s head.
Receiving only a slap on the wrist for their role in the case, however, Mastroianni and Barone will go on to receive higher pay and continue to police the citizens of Hartford as they get rewarded with a promotion. "
If you allow people to stand for the anthem you have to also allow them to kneel. If you don't want them to potentially kneel, then stop playing the anthem. It is like the NFL wanting all the players to recite out loud The Lord's Prayer before a game. Not every player is going to be okay with that.
I don't understand people who are upset with the kneeling but are okay with this kind of thing happening repeatedly:
"Hartford, CT — Last year, police released dash camera footage of a controversial arrest — showing an officer in street clothes walk up to a handcuffed suspect sitting on the curb, and kick his head into the ground — it hit so hard, it bounced. Several other officers were also involved in attacking two restrained suspects. They admitted to doing it and covering it up, and now, two of them are being promoted while another gets a golden parachute.
Officers Steven Barone and Detective Christopher Mastroianni, who were recently punished for excessive force and lying on police reports, were just promoted to sergeant last week. What’s more, the officer seen on video stomping a suspect’s head, Sean Spell, who was arrested for his role in the attack, was allowed to quietly retire and avoid all accountability.
On June 4, officers pursued Ricardo Perez and Emilio Diaz through the streets of Hartford and West Hartford in a vehicle police suspected to be stolen. When the chase ended, officers arrested the pair — but the details of those arrests became the subject of multiple investigations when supervisors saw the bloody mugshots of the suspects.
The concerns over excessive force intensified in October, after Hartford police released dash camera footage of a controversial arrest — showing former Sgt. Sean Spell, 46, in street clothes walk up to a handcuffed suspect sitting on the curb, and kick his head into the ground.
Spell retired from the force amid the probe and now, this 46-year-old will draw an annual pension of $129,977 from Hartford, paid out in monthly installments of $10,831—for the rest of his life—for stomping a handcuffed man’s head.
Receiving only a slap on the wrist for their role in the case, however, Mastroianni and Barone will go on to receive higher pay and continue to police the citizens of Hartford as they get rewarded with a promotion. "
In 2016, the police fatally shot 233 blacks. According to the Washington Post. The WAPO categorized only 16 black males of these police shootings as " Unarmed". That classification masks assaults against officers and violent resistance to arrest. In 2015 the police were more likely to be killed by black males 18.5 more times then an unarmed black male to be killed by LEO. Black males have made up over 42% of all cop killings in the last decade but only make up 6% of the population!! 900 additional blacks were killed compared to 2015 bringing the black homicide victim total to 7,881. Blacks without a a shadow of a doubt are murdering their own. But go ahead keep peddling your Selma & Rosa "We shall Overcome" Parks boogeyman theories. You ever wonder why suburbs became popular? WTF would someone living in the NYC area choose to travel on that attrocious LIE to escape Brooklyn & Queens.
I've seen this line a lot. Exactly who are they supposed to be grateful to? And why do they have to be grateful?
I'm curious as to the logic behind this argument.
What makes you think anyone would be OK with that?I don't understand people who are upset with the kneeling but are okay with this kind of thing happening repeatedly:
"Hartford, CT — Last year, police released dash camera footage of a controversial arrest — showing an officer in street clothes walk up to a handcuffed suspect sitting on the curb, and kick his head into the ground — it hit so hard, it bounced. Several other officers were also involved in attacking two restrained suspects. They admitted to doing it and covering it up, and now, two of them are being promoted while another gets a golden parachute.
Officers Steven Barone and Detective Christopher Mastroianni, who were recently punished for excessive force and lying on police reports, were just promoted to sergeant last week. What’s more, the officer seen on video stomping a suspect’s head, Sean Spell, who was arrested for his role in the attack, was allowed to quietly retire and avoid all accountability.
On June 4, officers pursued Ricardo Perez and Emilio Diaz through the streets of Hartford and West Hartford in a vehicle police suspected to be stolen. When the chase ended, officers arrested the pair — but the details of those arrests became the subject of multiple investigations when supervisors saw the bloody mugshots of the suspects.
The concerns over excessive force intensified in October, after Hartford police released dash camera footage of a controversial arrest — showing former Sgt. Sean Spell, 46, in street clothes walk up to a handcuffed suspect sitting on the curb, and kick his head into the ground.
Spell retired from the force amid the probe and now, this 46-year-old will draw an annual pension of $129,977 from Hartford, paid out in monthly installments of $10,831—for the rest of his life—for stomping a handcuffed man’s head.
Receiving only a slap on the wrist for their role in the case, however, Mastroianni and Barone will go on to receive higher pay and continue to police the citizens of Hartford as they get rewarded with a promotion. "
They should be grateful that they get paid very handsomely for playing an athletic sport that thousands and thousands of people play every day for no compensation at all. I sure as hell know that I'd be grateful.
People are more upset with someone kneeling during the SSB than this type of police criminality. If they weren't okay with it, these officers would be facing charges.
Fyi Historically, the national anthem was introduced in the NFL during ww2, it was a way of promoting nationalism during that time. IMHO, if you have the anthem be respectful or do not have it. That said, we live in a great country and people have the right to their opinions. However, the players should pick better venues.
Basically, most people do not care about their viewpoint and do not want it to ruin their outing because they are paying a lot of money for this time @ the stadium or NFL ticket etc. What makes me angry is in London they disrespected our flag but respected the British flag. I know the lefties who want to basically say white racists started this country etc etc want to essentially redo the constitution in a communist socialist format and destroy the country are effectively creating a negative feeling about cops, historical figures etc by stating that cops are just killing black people but the stats do not show this. BLM and the Democrats are creating a mess in this country and overpaid athletes who have it great are complaining about how horrible this country is. does not make sense. As far as tebow goes he is just thanking God no more no less and no disrespect
Basically, most people do not care about their viewpoint and do not want it to ruin their outing because they are paying a lot of money for this time @ the stadium or NFL ticket etc. What makes me angry is in London they disrespected our flag but respected the British flag. I know the lefties who want to basically say white racists started this country etc etc want to essentially redo the constitution in a communist socialist format and destroy the country are effectively creating a negative feeling about cops, historical figures etc by stating that cops are just killing black people but the stats do not show this. BLM and the Democrats are creating a mess in this country and overpaid athletes who have it great are complaining about how horrible this country is. does not make sense. As far as tebow goes he is just thanking God no more no less and no disrespect
99.99% of the people who are upset with the kneeling don't have the ability to facilitate charging the officers.
The problem with the anti police sentiment is the facts do not show that their is a pervasive problem. However, 5 cops executed in dallas and nypd cops executed in their cars does not get half the attention. Also when I white person is shot the media does not give it much thought. Hands up dont shoot never happened
I don't understand people who are upset with the kneeling but are okay with this kind of thing happening repeatedly:
"Hartford, CT — Last year, police released dash camera footage of a controversial arrest — showing an officer in street clothes walk up to a handcuffed suspect sitting on the curb, and kick his head into the ground — it hit so hard, it bounced. Several other officers were also involved in attacking two restrained suspects. They admitted to doing it and covering it up, and now, two of them are being promoted while another gets a golden parachute.
Officers Steven Barone and Detective Christopher Mastroianni, who were recently punished for excessive force and lying on police reports, were just promoted to sergeant last week. What’s more, the officer seen on video stomping a suspect’s head, Sean Spell, who was arrested for his role in the attack, was allowed to quietly retire and avoid all accountability.
On June 4, officers pursued Ricardo Perez and Emilio Diaz through the streets of Hartford and West Hartford in a vehicle police suspected to be stolen. When the chase ended, officers arrested the pair — but the details of those arrests became the subject of multiple investigations when supervisors saw the bloody mugshots of the suspects.
The concerns over excessive force intensified in October, after Hartford police released dash camera footage of a controversial arrest — showing former Sgt. Sean Spell, 46, in street clothes walk up to a handcuffed suspect sitting on the curb, and kick his head into the ground.
Spell retired from the force amid the probe and now, this 46-year-old will draw an annual pension of $129,977 from Hartford, paid out in monthly installments of $10,831—for the rest of his life—for stomping a handcuffed man’s head.
Receiving only a slap on the wrist for their role in the case, however, Mastroianni and Barone will go on to receive higher pay and continue to police the citizens of Hartford as they get rewarded with a promotion. "
Appalling, obviously. Police Brutality exists, and not just for folks of darker pigmentation. They (kneelers) are making it a race issue, it isn't, it's a militarized police issue, with zero accountability from Internal Affairs or the Department of Justice.
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We have a guy on our local youth soccer forum who posts every one of these police malfeasance articles he can find. My standard response is, tell us about the other 10,000 arrests in the country that day. On their own, as individual cases, some are despicable and the officers need to be punished in conformance with the law. But the idea that this is some nationwide epidemic of racially driven police brutality is a news media contrived ruse aimed at supporting their white guilt white privilege narrative. If the victim is white, regardless of what race the cop is, there's no story. If the victim is black and the cop is black, its a short lived story. If the victim is black and the cop is white, it's a national headline story. That's the reality of it.
I agree, it isn't just a racial issue. White and black police beat and shoot unarmed white people as well. But those targeted are usually poor and relatively powerless. And since minorities are disproportionately poor, they are going to soak up the majority of the brutality.
And it isn't "anti-police"; it is anti police who break the law.
I agree. It's starts and ends with the police officers denouncing their 'code blue' mantra and holding each other accountable. I would love to see one example of a police officer turning another police officer in for criminality. I know here in the Memphis area it's Code Blue all the way. I personally know of an unexcused beat down that was covered up by the officer in question, and his superior officer (who happened to black). I'm in the process of using FOIA to expose it, and bring it to a local politician who I believe would care greatly.
Where are the good cops turning in the bad cops?
I also won't tolerate NFL players allowing woman beaters to exist in their locker room. Josh Brown w/ the giants should have had his ass beaten severely.
You know what would solve that? Stop accusing the police when they DON'T do something wrong. (Like when they shoot a suspect who was fighting with them.) If you would limit your criticism to instances like this when the police actually did something wrong, it would be a lot more effective.
That is like telling a ND fan who was upset about the Bush Push that the refs made 10,000 correct calls during that game, so just get over it. Except for the fact that some unnecessary shooting is infinitely more important.
That still doesn't answer why and more importantly, to who. There are several things that thousands and thousands of people do on a daily basis that a small subset of people are paid handsomely to do. Why should they be grateful that they are more talented than the average individual and are compensated as such? And again, who should they be showing said gratitude to?
Here is the problem as I see it : As Harlem and other posters have already pointed out,
the number of blacks killed by police is minuscule as compared to the mumber of black people
Killed by black criminal elements in their own communities.
Logic follows that since black crime and murder is extremely high in Black communities,
It sees that law abiding black citizens should be welcoming and helping the police to put the criminals
Who are mundering them behind bars.
Attacking police is certainly counter productive!
the number of blacks killed by police is minuscule as compared to the mumber of black people
Killed by black criminal elements in their own communities.
Logic follows that since black crime and murder is extremely high in Black communities,
It sees that law abiding black citizens should be welcoming and helping the police to put the criminals
Who are mundering them behind bars.
Attacking police is certainly counter productive!
It amazes me how out of reality most in America and many on this board are to the reality of the situation.
This is not about the flag it is about the right for peaceful protest. The men in the NFL have every right to use their forum to protest what they see as shortfalls in our society and each of us has every right to turn off the TV or turn in our tickets.
Much of this is on Trump, a terrible human being, but much more has been brewing for years.
This is not about the flag it is about the right for peaceful protest. The men in the NFL have every right to use their forum to protest what they see as shortfalls in our society and each of us has every right to turn off the TV or turn in our tickets.
Much of this is on Trump, a terrible human being, but much more has been brewing for years.
also the number of whites killed by cops is significantly higher than blacks killed by cops
And the number of whites who murder whites is higher than the number of whites who are murdered by police.
Why does that mean we shouldn't be concerned about police criminal actions?
Having the right to do it doesn't mean you won't have backlash and ramifications from doing it. It just means you won't be arrested or prosecuted for it. The players have the right to stand on their heads and do Gregorian chants during the national anthem. It has nothing to do with having the right.
It means we should be concerned about ALL police malfeasance, no matter who the victim is. As in, ALL LIVES MATTER.
Yes, and Breast Cancer Awareness is wrong because ALL DISEASE MATTERS!!!
BLM is about raising the rights of blacks up to that of ALL THE REST.
I agree that the problem of police malfeasance affects all races. Progress!
What do we want???
Dead Cops!!!!
When do we want them????
Now!!!!
Yeah, BLM, the most honorable of intentions.
What do we want???
Dead Cops!!!!
When do we want them????
Now!!!!
Yeah, BLM, the most honorable of intentions.
Maybe the cops being referenced were thought to be guilty of murder in a death penalty state. FWIW, I don't support the death penalty so I don't want anyone dead.
Let me try to put this in simple terms that you can understand !
First, unless we are talking about the FBI , we have No National Police unless we call in the National
Guard to put down a riot !
Just about all police interaction with a person or community is City or State ! If A policeman commits
A crime, that city or state has the obligation to bring that policeman to trail and punish him or her to the full
Extent of the law.
If people are not happy with their local courts or politicians in the handling of police who commit crimes
Against their citizens, they have the obligation to elect better politicians to run their communities !
Incidentally , most of those communities are now governed and have been governed by DEMOCRATS for
Decades. The Liberals keep electing the same politicians so they get the same results !
In short, the Federal Government Does Not Hire local police, if the Protesting Athletes are so concerned
With their local communities, I think that that should get much more active in their local communities,
If they are still living in those communities , and sending their children to local schools ?
If not they will have to leave their highly priced neighborhoods to help out !
Disrespecting our National Anthem and flag, spitting in the faces of all veterans , those wounded, And killed, all their families, and all other Americans who love our Country, Flag and National Anthem Is counter productive. It is also the wrong target !
Of course, there is another solution: if the police are so evil , just keep them out of those communities Who do not want their presence ! See how that works out !
Local problem, local solution !
First, unless we are talking about the FBI , we have No National Police unless we call in the National
Guard to put down a riot !
Just about all police interaction with a person or community is City or State ! If A policeman commits
A crime, that city or state has the obligation to bring that policeman to trail and punish him or her to the full
Extent of the law.
If people are not happy with their local courts or politicians in the handling of police who commit crimes
Against their citizens, they have the obligation to elect better politicians to run their communities !
Incidentally , most of those communities are now governed and have been governed by DEMOCRATS for
Decades. The Liberals keep electing the same politicians so they get the same results !
In short, the Federal Government Does Not Hire local police, if the Protesting Athletes are so concerned
With their local communities, I think that that should get much more active in their local communities,
If they are still living in those communities , and sending their children to local schools ?
If not they will have to leave their highly priced neighborhoods to help out !
Disrespecting our National Anthem and flag, spitting in the faces of all veterans , those wounded, And killed, all their families, and all other Americans who love our Country, Flag and National Anthem Is counter productive. It is also the wrong target !
Of course, there is another solution: if the police are so evil , just keep them out of those communities Who do not want their presence ! See how that works out !
Local problem, local solution !
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BAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH This is so absurd. Explain how you logically get there.
