Students To Walk Out During Commencement

[rgc7]

All money is taxed multiple times WHEN it changes hands. I don't know how to explain it any MORE simply than that. It is NOT "double taxed" for an individual. Using the term "double taxed" just shows you don't understand our tax code.

Let me follow your logic: " All money is taxed when it changes hands.
I give my son, money to pay his college tuition. How much should the tax be on that money ?
I give my children a sum of money to pay for their expenses while attending college,
How much should that money be taxed?
right now it is zero !
So it follows If some money changes hands and is taxed.
And. Other money that changes hands is not taxed
Than All money that changes hands Is NOT taxed.
So Your premise is not correct !

Also we are talking INCOME tax. If I buy a car, I am paying a Sales Tax.
If I pay my property tax, it is not an income tax. It is a local or state tax that pays for local services.
One is a mix of Federal, Local and State taxes.
The other is a mix of Local, State and perhaps county taxes.
So if you lump all taxes together, some money is indeed double , tripled , or quadruple taxed.
Inheritance tax is simple a synonym for a second income tax on the same money. It is an excuse to
Subvert the will of the dead by stealing their money.
It is obvious that you feel otherwise. But you believe in a Regulated Socialist State, and I believe in a
Free Market Capitalistic State with as little regulation and taxation as possible.

 

[ivan brunetti]

Let me follow your logic: " All money is taxed when it changes hands.
I give my son, money to pay his college tuition. How much should the tax be on that money ?
I give my children a sum of money to pay for their expenses while attending college,
How much should that money be taxed?
right now it is zero !
So it follows If some money changes hands and is taxed.
And. Other money that changes hands is not taxed
Than All money that changes hands Is NOT taxed.
So Your premise is not correct !

Also we are talking INCOME tax. If I buy a car, I am paying a Sales Tax.
If I pay my property tax, it is not an income tax. It is a local or state tax that pays for local services.
One is a mix of Federal, Local and State taxes.
The other is a mix of Local, State and perhaps county taxes.
So if you lump all taxes together, some money is indeed double , tripled , or quadruple taxed.
Inheritance tax is simple a synonym for a second income tax on the same money. It is an excuse to
Subvert the will of the dead by stealing their money.
It is obvious that you feel otherwise. But you believe in a Regulated Socialist State, and I believe in a
Free Market Capitalistic State with as little regulation and taxation as possible.

There is a gift tax exemption that probably covers the money you give your children. Paying for someone's education doesn't count as a gift.

If you want to give your son or daughter your money, you can give them $14 grand per year, and then around $5.5 million from your estate before any tax kicks in. So, if your estate gives one of your offspring $6 million, the estate will be taxed on $500 grand of that. If anyone's spoiled kids aren't content with inheriting over $5 million tax free, they can go move to Liberia.

 

[rgc7]

There is a gift tax exemption that probably covers the money you give your children. Paying for someone's education doesn't count as a gift.

If you want to give your son or daughter your money, you can give them $14 grand per year, and then around $5.5 million from your estate before any tax kicks in. So, if your estate gives one of your offspring $6 million, the estate will be taxed on $500 grand of that. If anyone's spoiled kids aren't content with inheriting over $5 million tax free, they can go move to Liberia.

Why should the government tell me to whom I can and can not give my money to after I already paid my income tax on it ?
While, I will never even get close to the $5,000,000, I still resent Government telling rich people to whom they must give their after tax money to.
You think you know better than the people who worked to earn their riches , and can better decide than they can as to whom they should give their money ?
I say the people who earn the money, once they pay their income tax on that money, should have
No Big Brother Figure confiscating that money from them. His kids may or may not be worthy but one thing is certain a lot of the people on Government programs are a lot less worthy.
Government subsidies are suppossed to be a helping hand not a way of life !
You take your Socialism and I'll take Free Market Capitalism !

 

[deadirishpoet]

Why should the government tell me to whom I can and can not give my money to after I already paid my income tax on it ?
While, I will never even get close to the $5,000,000, I still resent Government telling rich people to whom they must give their after tax money to.
You think you know better than the people who worked to earn their riches , and can better decide than they can as to whom they should give their money ?
I say the people who earn the money, once they pay their income tax on that money, should have
No Big Brother Figure confiscating that money from them. His kids may or may not be worthy but one thing is certain a lot of the people on Government programs are a lot less worthy.
Government subsidies are suppossed to be a helping hand not a way of life !
You take your Socialism and I'll take Free Market Capitalism !

Hear, hear

 

[deadirishpoet]

rgc, a tax is a tax. They may tax different aspects of income and/or property and they may have different rates (and different exemptions, deductions, offsets, etc.) but they are still all forms of taxes. We are, in fact, a republic but we are also a community. That means that to a certain extent (and not to the extreme of socialism), we share in benefits and expenses of being a community. We all benefit from national defense and police/fire protection and public education.

I am, at heart, a capitalist in that everyone should be encouraged to work hard and, if they do so successfully, they should reap the rewards of that hard work. That does not necessarily mean that people, several generations down, should reap those same rewards without any of the work or sacrifice.

Yes they should. It's their family member which means it's theirs

On a side note I do respect your posts

 

[deadirishpoet]

It never ceases to amaze me that when poor people receive some form of assistance from the government, it's always a "handout", but when rich people do, such assistance, of course, is never a "handout".

If it's not a hand out then what is it a hand up? Some of yese people have had decades of hand ups, and still have not made something for themselves.
Maybe it's the Democratic policies in those areas that are actually keeping them down.
You see it city after City and yet they still vote for something has that has yet to better them and pull them out of their poverty

 

[ivan brunetti]

Why should the government tell me to whom I can and can not give my money to after I already paid my income tax on it ?
While, I will never even get close to the $5,000,000, I still resent Government telling rich people to whom they must give their after tax money to.
You think you know better than the people who worked to earn their riches , and can better decide than they can as to whom they should give their money ?
I say the people who earn the money, once they pay their income tax on that money, should have
No Big Brother Figure confiscating that money from them. His kids may or may not be worthy but one thing is certain a lot of the people on Government programs are a lot less worthy.
Government subsidies are suppossed to be a helping hand not a way of life !
You take your Socialism and I'll take Free Market Capitalism !

In the case of inheritance, you aren't being taxed again or "double". You are dead. The recipient is the one who pays.

If you want to do away with the little money that is taken in by the estate tax (only a few billion per year), which tax would you raise to make up the difference? Freedom isn't free and that $660 billion/year military doesn't pay for itself.

 

[Telx1]

The estate tax is repugnant on principle, and thought so when I was young and had no estate. Tax law should not be based on whether the inheritance is more than enough to live on, etc... Spin it whatever way you want to justify your desire to redistribute the wealth, but it is in fact a second tax on what someone has earned. As for replacing the revenue, I would leave the current highest tax rate of 39% alone rather than the proposed reduction to 36%, but this is in the context of current income tax methodology and Trumps proposal. I'd much prefer something along the lines of three tax brackets of 5-10-15% with charitable donations and medical expenses being the only deductions, and a consumption tax to make up the difference. I'm also strongly in favor of entitlement reform to address their pending insolvency, along the lines of raising the qualifying ages for Social Security, eliminating any cap on income for Social Security or Medicare income tax purposes, and requiring a modest co-pay for Dr appointments. Of course these will never see the light of day because liberals and the mainstream media would rail against the unfair regressive treatment of the poor, and the wealthy and special interests would work behind the scenes to protect their interests.

 

[rgc7]

In the case of inheritance, you aren't being taxed again or "double". You are dead. The recipient is the one who pays.

If you want to do away with the little money that is taken in by the estate tax (only a few billion per year), which tax would you raise to make up the difference? Freedom isn't free and that $660 billion/year military doesn't pay for itself.

" Freedom is not Free " Korean War Memorial. The saying is not referring to money but the Sacrifices made
by men who fought, bleed , and died in that war and all wars ! " Something that no amount of money can
Ever pay them and their families back !
For this argument it would be more appropriate to Say " Welfare and college are not free " , and cut those programs drastically ! If one wants something badly enough they should work for it.
Sure if some one is disabled , any decent society should provide for their care and aid, but if some one is looking for a way of life "Working the system " , they should be required to work and their welfare checks
Must come to an end. Welfare programs should not be a way of life.
Lots of ways to cut the budget , and the Military ( where there is waste and fraud ) can also be cut!
However, a strong military should be our country's first priority, because if our country is ever attacked
And destroyed, all other programs go out the window !

 

[Telx1]

Rgc7... not a Trump fan, but have always been in favor of a smaller more strategic military footprint around the world. There is no question that Obama did serious harm to our military capabilities, and that we need to bring our fighting tools back to world class. I was hoping Trump would freeze military spending at the current level, and seriously reduce our expenses by consolidating bases at home, and reducing our physical presence abroad, and use the savings to upgrade our delivery capabilities. That said, I am interested in your take on this. Should we have a force in South Korea for example, or Germany or Japan, etc...

 

[Irish Duck]

So you have no problem with the government taking 40%of this cats money he earned for the government waste?

I have a real problem with government waste. The fact is that we, as a nation, need to make some tough decisions as to how we want our tax dollars spent. In my opinion, we are wasting money on the Drug War and on playing the World's policeman. We can, and in my opinion should, legalize all drugs and cut back military spending. I'm not an isolationist and believe that we should be increasing our foreign aid to be used for economic (rather than military) improvement. I was not pleased to hear the news of the Saudi's purchase of $380B worth of armaments. See how China is expanding its economy by making economic investments in Third World Nations.

As to the Drug War, prohibition has never worked. If people want to get high, they are going to find a way to get high. People die because their drug of choice is unregulated. I had a nephew die last year from a heroin overdose. He had two syringes because he didn't know how strong the drug was in the first syringe.

OK, this discussion goes way beyond the original issue of students walking out on the VP or even the first tangent, taxation. I'm going to shut up now. If any of you come out to beautiful Portland, Oregon and want to continue this friendly conversation over a microbrew, let me know.

 

[rgc7]

Rgc7... not a Trump fan, but have always been in favor of a smaller more strategic military footprint around the world. There is no question that Obama did serious harm to our military capabilities, and that we need to bring our fighting tools back to world class. I was hoping Trump would freeze military spending at the current level, and seriously reduce our expenses by consolidating bases at home, and reducing our physical presence abroad, and use the savings to upgrade our delivery capabilities. That said, I am interested in your take on this. Should we have a force in South Korea for example, or Germany or Japan, etc...

Telx,
Very tough call on overseas bases. I think that most of our bases should eventually be pulled out of Western Europe. While Russia is certainly always a danger, I think that it is not to their advantage to go to War with Western Europe. They need the EU to market their Natural Gas and to keep the Russian economy
Going. They also need the tourism and hard currency fron the EU as well.
Western Europe has grown their Socialistic Economies under the American Military Umbrella since the end of WWII, I think that it is time to definitely remove our bases from there ?
Perhaps there are a few that are strategically located for our navy or Air Force ? If so we should
Negotiate with those countries to keep any bases that are in our National Interest especially if a major war breaks out in the Middle East.
I think that the really big danger, that may eventually lead to the demise of Western Europe's
great civilization is the Muslim Trojan Horse within ? Even without the obvious Problem of Terrorism,
The Muslin population will eventually surpass the " Christian " ( mostly Luke warm Christianity at best )
Population. Demographics and apathy on the part of the Europeans spells impending doom.
So yes remove and close most of our bases in Europe.
The Far East is more difficult. We have demilitarized Japan, and allowed them to rebuild economically and prosper under our Military Umbrella just like we did in Western Europe. I think it is time we encourage Japan to become a military power once again as a counterweight against China. To me North Korea poses the biggest threat at this point in time,
South Korea is certainly wealthy enough to support its own military. Our military bases there are a tough call ?
Perhaps, South Korea can repel and defeat North Korea in a land War, perhaps not ?
We can certailly supply overwhelming air power from our carrier groups and land bases in Japan.
However, North Korea has us in a box. They are moving ahead with their inter continental ballistic missile
System. Will South Korea even allow us to attack NK to take out their ( NK ) missiles ,and face the consequences Of an attack on Seoul and another land war in Korea ? Very doubtful ?
So unless the North actually attack the South , South Korean will tie our hands on removing
North Korean Missiles by force ?
Will China help us to stop NK from developing a missile with the range to hit the USA ?
I don't think so ? Unless China thinks such a move is undoubtably in China's best interest ?
The whole Far East is a complete conundrum. Perhaps Kim Jong Um will suddenly have an "untimely"
Death ? Most likely wishful thinking, but a great solution.
As far as closing military bases in the Far East, I think that for the most part, they should remain open ? Especially our Naval and air bases until the picture becomes a lot clearer.
As far as our bases in the USA, I think there could be a lot of closings and consolidations, but a lot of states and city economies that depend on those bases will be hurt. Just whose Ox ( Democrat or Republican) do we gore ? ( hopefully, both ? )
Yes,I would favor closing any domestic bases that really no longer serve any military purpose !
In any case, Telx, that is as I see it.

 

[Irish Duck]

Why should the government tell me to whom I can and can not give my money to after I already paid my income tax on it ?
While, I will never even get close to the $5,000,000, I still resent Government telling rich people to whom they must give their after tax money to.
You think you know better than the people who worked to earn their riches , and can better decide than they can as to whom they should give their money ?
I say the people who earn the money, once they pay their income tax on that money, should have
No Big Brother Figure confiscating that money from them. His kids may or may not be worthy but one thing is certain a lot of the people on Government programs are a lot less worthy.
Government subsidies are suppossed to be a helping hand not a way of life !
You take your Socialism and I'll take Free Market Capitalism !

roc...here's the deal. The purpose of taxation, of whatever kind, is intended to pay for the costs of government. We can talk back and forth as much as we want about what government should and shouldn't do, and should and shouldn't provide, but the fact is that we need taxes to pay for the government. The question then becomes which taxes are more preferable than others. As a middle-class wage-earner, I prefer that the wealthy pay a higher rate than I do. I also prefer that the government tax inheritances rather than increase the taxes on my income.

I suspect that we all agree that there should be less government and certainly less government waste but that is not what we are talking about. What we are talking about is what is the best way of raising the revenue to allow the government to maintain its obligations. I don't care if income is taxed once or twice or fifteen times. What I care about is how much is being taken out of my paycheck.

 

[rgc7]

roc...here's the deal. The purpose of taxation, of whatever kind, is intended to pay for the costs of government. We can talk back and forth as much as we want about what government should and shouldn't do, and should and shouldn't provide, but the fact is that we need taxes to pay for the government. The question then becomes which taxes are more preferable than others. As a middle-class wage-earner, I prefer that the wealthy pay a higher rate than I do. I also prefer that the government tax inheritances rather than increase the taxes on my income.

I suspect that we all agree that there should be less government and certainly less government waste but that is not what we are talking about. What we are talking about is what is the best way of raising the revenue to allow the government to maintain its obligations. I don't care if income is taxed once or twice or fifteen times. What I care about is how much is being taken out of my paycheck.

Duck,
I just don't like the IRS and the income tax. My preference would be a sales tax or even a VAT tax over the Income tax. No tax forms, loopholes , etc.
It would be interesting to see what Trump comes up with ?

 

[Irish Duck]

Duck,
I just don't like the IRS and the income tax. My preference would be a sales tax or even a VAT tax over the Income tax. No tax forms, loopholes , etc.
It would be interesting to see what Trump comes up with ?

It is irrelevant what Trump comes up with. This is all on Congress. The Rs in the House and the Senate are going to have to come up with something but they won't because they are beholden to too many people with vested interests in keeping the system basically the same as it is now.

By the way, no one likes the IRS so I suspect that we all have that in common.

 

[Telx1]

Telx,
Very tough call on overseas bases. I think that most of our bases should eventually be pulled out of Western Europe. While Russia is certainly always a danger, I think that it is not to their advantage to go to War with Western Europe. They need the EU to market their Natural Gas and to keep the Russian economy
Going. They also need the tourism and hard currency fron the EU as well.
Western Europe has grown their Socialistic Economies under the American Military Umbrella since the end of WWII, I think that it is time to definitely remove our bases from there ?
Perhaps there are a few that are strategically located for our navy or Air Force ? If so we should
Negotiate with those countries to keep any bases that are in our National Interest especially if a major war breaks out in the Middle East.
I think that the really big danger, that may eventually lead to the demise of Western Europe's
great civilization is the Muslim Trojan Horse within ? Even without the obvious Problem of Terrorism,
The Muslin population will eventually surpass the " Christian " ( mostly Luke warm Christianity at best )
Population. Demographics and apathy on the part of the Europeans spells impending doom.
So yes remove and close most of our bases in Europe.
The Far East is more difficult. We have demilitarized Japan, and allowed them to rebuild economically and prosper under our Military Umbrella just like we did in Western Europe. I think it is time we encourage Japan to become a military power once again as a counterweight against China. To me North Korea poses the biggest threat at this point in time,
South Korea is certainly wealthy enough to support its own military. Our military bases there are a tough call ?
Perhaps, South Korea can repel and defeat North Korea in a land War, perhaps not ?
We can certailly supply overwhelming air power from our carrier groups and land bases in Japan.
However, North Korea has us in a box. They are moving ahead with their inter continental ballistic missile
System. Will South Korea even allow us to attack NK to take out their ( NK ) missiles ,and face the consequences Of an attack on Seoul and another land war in Korea ? Very doubtful ?
So unless the North actually attack the South , South Korean will tie our hands on removing
North Korean Missiles by force ?
Will China help us to stop NK from developing a missile with the range to hit the USA ?
I don't think so ? Unless China thinks such a move is undoubtably in China's best interest ?
The whole Far East is a complete conundrum. Perhaps Kim Jong Um will suddenly have an "untimely"
Death ? Most likely wishful thinking, but a great solution.
As far as closing military bases in the Far East, I think that for the most part, they should remain open ? Especially our Naval and air bases until the picture becomes a lot clearer.
As far as our bases in the USA, I think there could be a lot of closings and consolidations, but a lot of states and city economies that depend on those bases will be hurt. Just whose Ox ( Democrat or Republican) do we gore ? ( hopefully, both ? )
Yes,I would favor closing any domestic bases that really no longer serve any military purpose !
In any case, Telx, that is as I see it.

Rgc7...Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Could not agree more about Western Europe, both in context of Russia and the Muslim population takeover. I think Japan will in fact move on arming themselves substantially as that part of the world is getting very complicated and Japan cannot, and should not, depend on the US to protect them. The WWII disarmament of Japan has long over run its course. Not sure it makes any sense to keep troops is Korea, and air support is more critical to them if there were a war, than our 30,000 troops stationed there. Hope we see some serious rethinking of where we have bases and troops around the world and at home, all in the context of strategically upgrading our fighting capability within existing resources.

 

[rgc7]

It is irrelevant what Trump comes up with. This is all on Congress. The Rs in the House and the Senate are going to have to come up with something but they won't because they are beholden to too many people with vested interests in keeping the system basically the same as it is now.

By the way, no one likes the IRS so I suspect that we all have that in common.

 

[rgc7]

Duck,
I agree with you on the R,s in both houses. They are all in it for themselves, but keep making the right Noises to keep getting re elected. That is the trouble with a two party system, voters in both parties are forced to usually vote for what they feel is the " Leser of the two evils. ”
Glad that we agree on the IRS .

Rgc7...Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Could not agree more about Western Europe, both in context of Russia and the Muslim population takeover. I think Japan will in fact move on arming themselves substantially as that part of the world is getting very complicated and Japan cannot, and should not, depend on the US to protect them. The WWII disarmament of Japan has long over run its course. Not sure it makes any sense to keep troops is Korea, and air support is more critical to them if there were a war, than our 30,000 troops stationed there. Hope we see some serious rethinking of where we have bases and troops around the world and at home, all in the context of strategically upgrading our fighting capability within existing resources.

 

[rgc7]

Telx,
I also have to really think hard of our 30,000 troops still in Korea. Korea is , and always has been,
Since it was split after WW II , a very difficult problem. If the hatred for Japan by all of Korea was not
So deep , Japan would be a very good ally for South Korea. However, the Japanese were brutal
In their conquest and occupation, so I would imagine that the hatred is still there ?
Too bad that China blocked our attempt to Unite Korea into a democratic South Korea, but China
Wanted the buffer and most likely still does. It looks like that we are the only ally that South Korea has ?
A few years ago, the government of SK sent all Korean War veterans a very nice thank you message with another War medal to add to our collection. They also sponsor a number of fully paid trips with flights, hotels , Meals and sight seeing to a few Korean War Veterans every year.
Sorry to diverge, but I thought that was an interesting side note.

 

[Telx1]

Telx,
I also have to really think hard of our 30,000 troops still in Korea. Korea is , and always has been,
Since it was split after WW II , a very difficult problem. If the hatred for Japan by all of Korea was not
So deep , Japan would be a very good ally for South Korea. However, the Japanese were brutal
In their conquest and occupation, so I would imagine that the hatred is still there ?
Too bad that China blocked our attempt to Unite Korea into a democratic South Korea, but China
Wanted the buffer and most likely still does. It looks like that we are the only ally that South Korea has ?
A few years ago, the government of SK sent all Korean War veterans a very nice thank you message with another War medal to add to our collection. They also sponsor a number of fully paid trips with flights, hotels , Meals and sight seeing to a few Korean War Veterans every year.
Sorry to diverge, but I thought that was an interesting side note.

Interesting and thanks for sharing.

 

[Walruzz]

If you have a problem with my message , then just say so. If you have a problem with the term "snowflake", then just say it, but quit hiding behind this John Lennonesque hidden message in what you think are clever one liners. I don't even know what the heck you are talking about. I'm not even sure you know what you want to say. Just get to the point as I have asked you several times to spit it out.

 

[Toby Smart]

So....I'm guessing you use videos of young girls to express your opinions. How in the world are you not able to speak for yourself is one of the world's great mysteries.

 

[Bodizephax]

Rgc7... not a Trump fan, but have always been in favor of a smaller more strategic military footprint around the world. There is no question that Obama did serious harm to our military capabilities, and that we need to bring our fighting tools back to world class. I was hoping Trump would freeze military spending at the current level, and seriously reduce our expenses by consolidating bases at home, and reducing our physical presence abroad, and use the savings to upgrade our delivery capabilities. That said, I am interested in your take on this. Should we have a force in South Korea for example, or Germany or Japan, etc...

I am 100 per cent a Trump fan !

 

[perseverare]

well, hard to distinguish a Trump 'fan' from those that were just fed up with the Dems/OB and anything Clinton.

How can anyone not be concerned with the recent events and how Trump is performing the job as President and especially foreigh matters. If he continues to falter and fail to 'get things done, right', I would expect that Swarbrick will erroneously approach him with a contract extension!

Trump needs to get smarter, wiser, more gracious, more humble, more effective. He seems instead like he is losing it.

 

[IrishHerb]

By the way, no one likes the IRS so I suspect that we all have that in common.

I agree no one likes the IRS ... but aren't they just trying to carry out the laws as written by congress? Of course, sometimes (often) they come across as heavy handed ... thats just typical government employee.

 

[perseverare]

why blame the IRS for corrupt Pol's trying to use the Service illegally as a weapon?
You will still have those 'corrupts'even w/o an IRS.

 

[Walruzz]

So....I'm guessing you use videos of young girls to express your opinions. How in the world are you not able to speak for yourself is one of the world's great mysteries.

You need to wake up and smell the covfefe.

(That's couvfefe in Canada.)

 

[Telx1]

I am 100 per cent a Trump fan !

Bodi, I'm also not a Trump hater! I was critical of Trump for many of his antics and Policy statements during the primary, but the obscene way the Liberals and Dems in general, and the main stream media are creating a daily harmful and unfounded narrative directed against all things Trump, has me supporting and defending Trump on many levels. These folks simply have no regard for the impact of their actions on the country. It's all about trying to regain power and assert their liberal vision on the country. Pathetic.

 

[Irish Duck]

I am 100 per cent a Trump fan !

All I can say is that I hope you are better at predicting ND's season than you are at picking a hero.

 

[Patriot82]

Why would any students be allowed to walk out on anyone? Have they completely lost respect for anyone? They don'y have to agree, however they should have respect, which they don't.

The problem here is that most students just go along for a ride on a cause not really having the in depth knowledge of what the situation really is. They have no real knowledge of working life as they have not been down that road yet.

 

[rgc7]

All I can say is that I hope you are better at predicting ND's season than you are at picking a hero.

Why would any students be allowed to walk out on anyone? Have they completely lost respect for anyone? They don'y have to agree, however they should have respect, which they don't.

The problem here is that most students just go along for a ride on a cause not really having the in depth knowledge of what the situation really is. They have no real knowledge of working life as they have not been down that road yet.

 

[NDEwing18]

Why would any students be allowed to walk out on anyone?

How would the administration chain them to their seats?

 

[rgc7]

Patriot,
Not only" Do they not have in depth knowledge " , but they do not even wish to listen to, learn
And understand the opposing point of views, and then decide what the pros and cons on both sides
of any and all issues may be.
In short, it is sad commentary on a college education when, only one side of all arguments is
Presented and the other side is completely not allowed anywhere in the classroom or on campus !
Very Sad !

 

[Walruzz]

Patriot,
Not only" Do they not have in depth knowledge " , but they do not even wish to listen to, learn
And understand the opposing point of views, and then decide what the pros and cons on both sides
of any and all issues may be.
In short, it is sad commentary on a college education when, only one side of all arguments is
Presented and the other side is completely not allowed anywhere in the classroom or on campus !
Very Sad !

Just curious how many on the board actually have attended classes at the other day. When did you receive your degree from ND RGC7?

By that, I mean to ask which side was exclusively presented to you when you were a student there?

 

[Patriot82]

If someone thinks the money spent on the Military doesn't pay for itself then he needs to risk his butt getting shot, and those who do serve can stay out of harm's way.

 

[NDEwing18]

If someone thinks the money spent on the Military doesn't pay for itself then he needs to risk his butt getting shot, and those who do serve can stay out of harm's way.

That doesn't make any sense.

 

[Walruzz]

That doesn't make any sense.

Why start now?

 

[ivan brunetti]

Article from The Chronicle of Higher Education:

http://www.chronicle.com/article/Wh...UU5Tml2b2RRMUUwbDVyNzBORmxMV0xqX0dEa2pFQTZyWQ

"When thoughtful, civil, quiet protesters get tarred with the same "safe-space snowflake" brush as their violent, disruptive, or censorious counterparts, the crucial distinction between engaging in debate and suppressing it gets weakened. Students are smart enough to notice a constantly shifting standard, and to realize when apparent statements of principle are opportunistically jettisoned. If the de facto operative standard is "any form of objecting to any conservative speaker is bad and will bring the same criticisms," protesters won’t have reason to believe any principled arguments about better and worse kinds of protest, and things will get very much worse.

The "snowflake"-hating off-campus ratings-seekers might not care. But those of us genuinely interested in free and open campus inquiry must."

 

[Irish Duck]

Patriot,
Not only" Do they not have in depth knowledge " , but they do not even wish to listen to, learn
And understand the opposing point of views, and then decide what the pros and cons on both sides
of any and all issues may be.
In short, it is sad commentary on a college education when, only one side of all arguments is
Presented and the other side is completely not allowed anywhere in the classroom or on campus !
Very Sad !

rgc and patriot,

With all due respect, I don't think either of you have any first hand knowledge as to what depth of knowledge any of the protesters have. Maybe they really are mindless sheep that are merely doing what they've been indoctrinated to do. I would expect more from ND graduates but maybe that is so. Or maybe, and just maybe, these are kids who have used their education to really analyze the issues, both pros and cons, and have come to a conclusion by which they felt that the best way to express their political opinion was to quietly and orderly walk out of the ceremony. Then again, I don't know any of these kids so I can't say for sure. Do either of you know any of these students sufficiently to be able to state, with any degree of certainty, that they do not have a depth of knowledge or no knowledge of "working life?"

When I was at ND, we had a handful of active military in our class. I had been out of school for a couple of years before going to ND. A substantial number of my classmates came to ND with real world experience. I found ND challenging academically, socially, and ethically. I disagreed with my professors on a wide range of issues and engaged them in debate. I was as successful in convincing them of the error of their beliefs as they were of mine. That being said, we all learned from each other's arguments.

We (and I mean almost all of us) have a tendency to make generalizations. Anyone who disagrees with us is a moron. Any one who thinks that we spend too much on the military needs to risk his butt getting shot. Liberals are lunatics and snowflakes. Were the victims in Portland who stood up to the racist to protect a couple of minority kids snowflakes?

How about we try, just for the heck of it, to recognize that there is nothing wrong with having an opposing view on almost any topic? How about we give credit to ND students who have busted their asses to get into ND and have then busted their asses to get through ND?

Better yet, how about if we just leave this Board to football discussions? There are plenty of venues to post and debate politics. Let's make this a football board again.

 

[rgc7]

Just curious how many on the board actually have attended classes at the other day. When did you receive your degree from ND RGC7?

By that, I mean to ask which side was exclusively presented to you when you were a student there?

Don't have to have a degree form ND. I received my degrees from a number of Colleges and Universities,
So why do I need a Degree from ND ? I can certainly make judgements on what I see at ND and most
universities in the USA. I can judge by the company that one keeps. I can " Tell a tree by its fruit ."
ND was just fine with Obama, the most pro abortion President that we ever had !
However, Trump was too " Controversal " for ND to invite him !
"One pro life, the other pro abortion "
I also try to keep up on current events: Washington Post 01/16/ 2016 :

Dramatic Shift That is Hurting Students' Education
Speaking of university faculty ratios. " Liberals now outnumber Conservatives 5 to 1 "
That is from a Liberal News Paper. Other publications say it is as high as 10 to 1.