Shame on Kelly
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The difference is, Saban wins. I still don't like it when he unloads on players on TV, but his method has been proven.
Brian Kelly looks like an angry drunken fan knee-jerking to things that are his responsibility.
And this is my biggest criticism of Kelly. His demeanor, his comments, his attitude, all seem to imply that he has done everything perfectly and that the team has let him down. It's his mess, he should own it. Good coaches don't act like that.
Forget Mustipher, Forget the timeout. PASSING THE BALL. The worst coaches we ever had all would have ran the ball up the gut. when they did on the last couple drives they moved down the field. Then all passes in the red zone. World class bad play calling. Worst coaching I have ever seen in a game
The last 4 downs were a shitshow the snap confusion in a monsoon was the least of the idiocy ... 3 passes then burn a precious time out like you didn't already have a play in mind ... and then how many times does ND come out of a TO and either take delay of game or penalty.
To yell at one kid on TV for several minutes ... Kelly should look in the mirror he made one stupid decision after another and both centers were clearly having trouble.
To yell at one kid on TV for several minutes ... Kelly should look in the mirror he made one stupid decision after another and both centers were clearly having trouble.
This is 2007 all over again ... coaches are a disaster and they are publicly blaming and berating the players
That was the worst called game I've ever seen
QB needed to be under center and we needed to run the ball and play field position
We had 5 red zone possessions and tried and made 1 field goal. I think we threw the ball 15 times in the red zone.
That was the worst called game I've ever seen
QB needed to be under center and we needed to run the ball and play field position
We had 5 red zone possessions and tried and made 1 field goal. I think we threw the ball 15 times in the red zone.
I agree with almost all you say. BK is 100% responsible and I am mad as hell about it. At the same time, the players didn't execute either. BK yelling at a Center for a crucial misplay is the least of the problems. BK, IMHO, is a terrible game day coach and he finds the job of making in- game adjustments impossible. The red flag was there in the Tulsa game. I'm not calling for BKs dismissal. That decision should be made by people in position who make lots of money to make those tough decisions.
You're obviously not very bright. I said that I don't like it when Saban does that either, but it looks worse for Kelly, because he has basically lost this team and continues to lose games.
Just wondering. Does every back and forth discussion have to include an insult? Can't we just debate like we were at at tailgate? Now, try it again. What's your comment?
Mustipher knew he'd regularly be on national TV when he committed to ND. Players who go to big time programs know this and actually look at is as a positive, but the spotlight works both ways. It highlights your triumphs as well as your epic fails. In this case Mustipher made a horrible mental and physical error at a crucial time in the game. He deserved to be berated. The announcers were criticizing Mustipher on national TV, as anyone would expect. There is no reason for a coach to not do the same thing and there is no reason for a coach to be nice about it when he confronts his player.
Having said that, this was a horribly coached game. BK deserves a lot of scorn for the game plan coming into the game and the lack of adjustments during the game. But yelling at Mustipher after making a horrible, crucial error? I would expect any coach to do that. Just because the coaching was horrible in so many other areas doesn't mean we should pile on and add his handling of Mustipher as another case of poor coaching. In this case we can be both disgusted with the poor coaching by BK in this game and 2016 in general, and agree that Mustipher deserved an earful after a very bad play.
His first mistake is his arrogance. In a monsoon you put the quarterback under center. Yelling at Mustipher for mishandling a ball in this weather is classless. BK insists on sticking to his gameplan no matter what. He can't make adjustments on the fly. He's a program manager, not a true coach. He doesn't have a natural feel for managing the game nor a feel for his players or his coaches. It's like he has NO backup plan for when his doesn't work. He's made questionable decision after another. He's underdeveloped this team so badly. There are too many 3 year players that have little to no experience ie Jay Hayes or Nyles Morgan. It's time for a change.
It was bad coaching that put him in that position to begin with. Maybe someone should tell the coaching staff that shotgun formation doesn't work well in monsoons.
Rather than yell at Mustipher, it would have been more satisfying to watch Kelly punch himself in the crotch over and over again. He was the reason we lost, not Mustipher, but for some reason it looked like he wanted to blame the kid. Not to mention we need this kids brother. A child or literally anyone on this board would have been able to call a better game offensively.
The way the game was coached was fine. We clearly can't run the ball so we had to throw to have any chance. Brian Kelly is a good coach but he has stuck with an offensive system that is becoming outdated. Execution is too slow from too deep in the backfield. Also, there are just too many moving parts getting the ball snapped leaving the team vulnerable to too many negative plays to be consistent.
I don't know you, what you have achieved in sports or business or what you do for a living, but your reaction is textbook definition of bad leadership. Public shaming moments after an error sends a poor message to everyone watching. Not to mention both centers struggled to snap the ball all day - it was even pointed out in pre game warmups.
I am a leader in an organization of 1,200 and people in my organization make decisions that significantly impact a multi billion dollar business. I'm not trying to sound self important - I'm not. In big moments I want confident and dedicated people. At first sign of trouble everyone looks at the leader. They got their answer today - be afraid be very afraid because you will be blamed. A good coach knows the game is never decided on one play - this one certainly wasn't. And to say that he signed up for public shaming - I don't think so. Very very few people find that motivational.
Maybe but NC St. was using shotgun too, as do a lot of spread teams in bad weather. Taking snaps under center is also tricky when the weather is horrible, and it's particularly tricky for teams that don't practice it on a regular basis. I think a lot of us have a nostalgic view of offenses before the spread became so prominent. QB-center exchanges have always been problematic in bad weather going as far back as I can remember even when almost all QB's were under center. I'm not saying there are as many bad exchanges as when QB's are in shotgun. There are probably more mistakes while in shotgun, although I don't know if anyone has ever done an analysis on that, but when a QB is accustomed to shotgun it's not so easy to just get under center and expect that there will be fewer mistakes. And in this case Mustipher's error was both mental and physical. He snapped the ball early when there was absolutely no one lined up in front of him. It was an early snap and it was a bad snap.
You've got to love the perspective from a bunch of super fans that never played high level college footbal like we mostly have on this board.
I hate that I'm even defending Kelly, because he littlerly coaches one terrible game after another and should spend his time yelling at himself and his assistant coaches, but I will.
Our fanbase, coaches and country have become so soft it's resiculous. That kid deserved an earful for a completely bonehead mistake. Everyone wants to talk about Saban doesn't yell. Have you watched him coach? He would have screamed bloody murder after that play. Problem is, he doesn't have to yell that often because guess what??? His teams don't make that many mistakes, they're well coaches and usually winning, so it doesn't cost them a game.
I will flame on Kelly in another thread, becuse he gave up on this team at Texas and has been terrible all year from a coaching perspective.
You are right. You don't know me. I am a leader too and have been for 20+ years. I've never berated any of my employees in public, and really, I've never berated any employee in private either. Stern talking too? Yes. Berate? No. But if you think leadership in corporate America is the same as being a football coach you obviously don't follow football closely. There are a lot of very good football coaches who chew out their players and coaching subordinates on national TV, and no, that doesn't make them bad leaders. Saban certainly isn't a bad leader and yet you must think he is because he chews out players and coaches on a regular basis. Lou did so when he was roaming our sidelines. My high school coach chewed me out in front of everyone on occasion as did most coaches I was ever around. And I don't know of too many players who don't expect to be chewed out when they make a crucial error. This is football after all. It's a very brutal and almost primal sport. Outbursts of passion, both positive and negative, have always been part of the game. Players accept this. It's one of the reasons they love the game.
You feel very strongly about this subject but to compare football coaching temperament to corporate America leadership temperament is completely off base.
Shame on Kelly for sniffing around for an NFL job 1 day after getting completely destroyed by Bama. That was the moment when I stopped thinking he was the right guy for ND.
IMO BK put all the pressure on himself by pulling that stunt. I guess he believed his own hype, and now we see he actually didn't have the chops to back it up. This program is trending terribly, and this could last for years to come.
BK is a smart man in one sense -- he took full advantage of the Era of Mediocrity and brokered a tremendous deal for himself. So, give him props for that I guess.
IMO BK put all the pressure on himself by pulling that stunt. I guess he believed his own hype, and now we see he actually didn't have the chops to back it up. This program is trending terribly, and this could last for years to come.
BK is a smart man in one sense -- he took full advantage of the Era of Mediocrity and brokered a tremendous deal for himself. So, give him props for that I guess.
We will just have to disagree on this one. Kelly lost his cool ... NC State could have fumbled on the next run play and that same center could be rushing back on the field with oh so much confidence. Football and business are different but people are people.
I get it but I've found people are much stronger than you seem to give them credit for. Have you ever seen how the Marine Corps trains their leaders? Drill instructors make football coaches look like choir boys and I've seen no credible evidence that suggests the Marine Corps develops poor leaders. Quite the opposite.
Really? ND should have won. They lost due to poor coaching. The play calling might have been the worst I have ever seen. They had several,chances to score and couldn't. Why? First it is quite obvious that the offensive line does not practice run blocking. Second, even if you don't run well, you still need to try when you are 1st and goal at the 6. The spread offense is a gimmick offense that teams with less talent need to run in order to stay competitive. ND needs to run a power offense with play action. In other words stop playing like a high school team. There is no toughness and it's been missing since Davie. At least Davie had his teams play hard. He was just in over his head being a first time head coach. It's time to make a change. At least after the season is over. I just hope if they do, they are already contacting candidates.
I do not recall Weis throwing players under the bus; could be wrong on that, but do not recall it.
Stating the obvious is NOT throwing a kid under the bus. If they are that fragile, then they are not the RKGs we need. Every quality athelete, true competitor understands this. Only people without a clue cry about crap like this
Pers, truth be told, I don't know what to say anymore. Fans are powerless to do anything about the situation and that's a good thing. But, I was giving this whole situation some thought while watching Navy vs Houston and it occurred to me that if Tom Herman is the hot coach and he truly is a young up and comer who has already arrived and if he would fit in the ND way of doing things, does ND wait for BK to leave by which case TH would already be signed either by Houston or LSU/USC or does the administration cut ties with BK now in the hopes of courting the agent of TH and making it known ND is serious? I know that's a lot to take in.
ND might as well have a woman coaching this team. At least a woman coach may (I repeat..."may") take blame.
The longer ND waits to rectify the situation, the worse things get. See Michigan and Brady Hoke. Kelly should be fired tomorrow morning so it gets a full news cycle on Sunday. Hire anyone, who cares? Anything is an upgrade, on every level, at this point. Kelly is a Turd. The whole world can see that every Saturday. Pull the trigger. And put Brian Kelly out of his, and our misery.
Like how about we don't do Mickey Mouse fake snapping to see who is blitzing....blah blah ...in a ****ing hurricane mind you....
Just spit balling here,
Maybe put your team in the best possible spot to succeed? Something
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