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PSU QB is the best ND has faced. He is the real deal.

Zorich 88

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Taking away his best target #44 will make him very uncomfortable.

Pass rush has to stay discipled and keep their passing lanes.

He only has 6 picks all season. Got to keep pressure on him all night.
 
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I haven't watched a lot of tape of Allar, but he seems to be pretty accurate when he has time to throw. When the pocket gets dirty, he seems to get antsy and isn't nearly as accurate. So it would seem the key will be creating pressure, just like Golden did with Gunner Stockton, and as he has done all season. Play Cover 1 and bring the heat. Allar doesn't seem like much of a running threat, though he is probably more athletic than some give him credit for.
 
Zorich 88 said:
Taking away his best target #44 will make him very uncomfortable.

Pass rush has to stay discipled and keep their passing lanes.

He only has 6 picks all season. Got to keep pressure on him all night.
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Disagree that he's the best QB we've faced. Rourke had more TD passes (29-24) and a higher QB rating (176-157). But Allar has a little bit better mobility. So I'd probably rank them about equal.

But yeah, the gameplan should be the same one we usually use - blitz a lot and Cover 1.
 
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Zorich 88 said:
He is definitely not overrated.
When you play 15 games and only have 7 picks with 24 TDs you are not overrated.

He is very accurate and very dangerous. Like I said, he is the best QB ND has faced all season.
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He threw 3 Int's at USC, 1 vs Ohio State, 1 vs Bowling Green, and 2 vs Oregon, and he hadn't faced a defense as good as ND's.
 
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Zorich 88 said:
He is definitely not overrated.
When you play 15 games and only have 7 picks with 24 TDs you are not overrated.

He is very accurate and very dangerous. Like I said, he is the best QB ND has faced all season.
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He's not overrated. Just not sure he's the best ND will have played.
 
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I think its a tricky subject tbh. If we can't send the message early and often that he won't be allowed to stand back there, it will be a long day for our defense. Our secondary is good, but we got shredded pretty badly against USC.

Tyler Warren is his safety net so that needs taken away. We wont eliminate him, but we have to make sure he isn't the easy option in his progressions. Warren will catch some balls if he's the primary target. They do a lot of nice things to get him in mismatches.

Allar looks great when he's comfortable. We absolutely can't let him get in a rhythm and we need to disguise and try to confuse him a bit.
 
Allar has been a massive disappointment. He is good for a few missed wide open receivers a game. Puts a lot of air under the ball, which should give our defensive backs opportunities to make plays on the ball.

He’s a sneaky good runner if anything. ND should be able to make him very uncomfortable. He’s not better than the Louisville QB IMO, but he is probably the second best we’ve faced.
 
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He threw 3 Int's at USC, 1 vs Ohio State, 1 vs Bowling Green, and 2 vs Oregon, and he hadn't faced a defense as good as ND's.
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So what are you saying? Are you saying he is average? 7 picks in 15 games is elite. He went 11 games with zero picks.
Like I said, I do not believe he will torch the ND defense. If the guy stinks it up tonight it does not mean he is garbage or even average. It just means what we all know, the ND defense is playing at a high level.
 
mbd11 said:
Disagree that he's the best QB we've faced. Rourke had more TD passes (29-24) and a higher QB rating (176-157). But Allar has a little bit better mobility. So I'd probably rank them about equal.

But yeah, the gameplan should be the same one we usually use - blitz a lot and Cover 1.
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Rourke cannot make the plays Allar can make. Allar places the ball where only elite passers can. But again, this is opinion. My opion after watching both QBs play, I am more concerned about Allar than I was Rourke.
 
Allar has tools & is getting better. He’ll be tough to limit. Bring middle pressure early and hope he sails one into watts’ arms. Rattle him early, don’t let him sit in the pocket. But it won’t matter if we don’t stop the run. That’s first and foremost. If Allar beats us all night w/ his arm, I tip my cap, but I’d load the box and bring middle pressure all night.
 
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So what are you saying? Are you saying he is average? 7 picks in 15 games is elite. He went 11 games with zero picks.
Like I said, I do not believe he will torch the ND defense. If the guy stinks it up tonight it does not mean he is garbage or even average. It just means what we all know, the ND defense is playing at a high level.
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Picks are only part of the equation when evaluating QBs. RL only has 6 picks, but would any of us call him an elite passer?

I think the best way (although not perfect) to evaluate a QB is how he does against the best competition on his schedule. In this case the best 2 teams he faced were OSU and Oregon. Against those 2 he's 32/59 for 372 yards, 3 TDs and 3 picks. 15 rushes for 85 yards. This doesn't exactly bode well for him against an ND defense. I think ND will be fine.
 
nd4life211 said:
Allar has been a massive disappointment. He is good for a few missed wide open receivers a game. Puts a lot of air under the ball, which should give our defensive backs opportunities to make plays on the ball.

He’s a sneaky good runner if anything. ND should be able to make him very uncomfortable. He’s not better than the Louisville QB IMO, but he is probably the second best we’ve faced.
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He's not a massive disappointment
 
Zorich 88 said:
So what are you saying? Are you saying he is average? 7 picks in 15 games is elite. He went 11 games with zero picks.
Like I said, I do not believe he will torch the ND defense. If the guy stinks it up tonight it does not mean he is garbage or even average. It just means what we all know, the ND defense is playing at a high level.
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I'm just saying against better defenses he's struggled a bit
 
Golson5 said:
He's not a massive disappointment
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Yes, an exaggeration but until this year, he would have been considered one. He was the top QB recruit in his class and a 5 star.

At the end of the day, he didn’t make the plays his team needed against the best defences he’s faced. I am of the belief ND has a defence better than Oregon’s and on par with Ohio State’s. Get after him and he will throw a couple picks.
 
I’ve only seen Allar a few times. He’s big, has a strong arm, throws with accuracy, and is a good north south runner. If he decides to declare for the NFL, I think he’ll be a day one selection. That said, Allar’s accuracy suffers significantly when opposing teams get pressure on him, and he’s more likely to stay in the pocket than he is to extend plays. If he takes off running, it’s right up the gut. I hope we pressure him right off the start and rattle his pocket presence, and would love to see some good hits on him if he tries to escape up the middle.
 
nd4life211 said:
Yes, an exaggeration but until this year, he would have been considered one. He was the top QB recruit in his class and a 5 star.

At the end of the day, he didn’t make the plays his team needed against the best defences he’s faced. I am of the belief ND has a defence better than Oregon’s and on par with Ohio State’s. Get after him and he will throw a couple picks.
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Last year as a true soph, he had 29 total tds and 2 ints
 
Need to hit him early and often, even if it's not sacks. He likes to take some DEEP DEEP drops to give himself more time.

Stockton was never the same after his long completion when Bowen absolutely crushed him. Stockton had some more completions, but those were more busted plays.

Allar will try to make plays and is good, but he hasn't played a really good defense in over 2 months.
 
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Last year as a true soph, he had 29 total tds and 2 ints
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All I know is that every time I watch him, he misses easy throws and looks nothing like the 5 star he is. He’s a good player, but he’s underperformed. He was under 60% last year.

He has a history of not performing well in big games and he has a tendency to miss easy throws. This is a big game and I am not overly worried about him.
 
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Zorich 88 said:
Rourke cannot make the plays Allar can make. Allar places the ball where only elite passers can. But again, this is opinion. My opion after watching both QBs play, I am more concerned about Allar than I was Rourke.
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Hopefully, you're just goin' Lou Holtz on us!
 
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Taking away his best target #44 will make him very uncomfortable.

Pass rush has to stay discipled and keep their passing lanes.

He only has 6 picks all season. Got to keep pressure on him all night.
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I really enjoyed his pick 7 this season. Thank you, Drew

He was lucky to have a couple other picks reversed tonight.

There’s no way this guy was the top QB we faced this year. He blew the game for Penn State.
 
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Shakin' Down the Thunder said:
Picks are only part of the equation when evaluating QBs. RL only has 6 picks, but would any of us call him an elite passer?

I think the best way (although not perfect) to evaluate a QB is how he does against the best competition on his schedule. In this case the best 2 teams he faced were OSU and Oregon. Against those 2 he's 32/59 for 372 yards, 3 TDs and 3 picks. 15 rushes for 85 yards. This doesn't exactly bode well for him against an ND defense. I think ND will be fine.
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And now adding ND to the mix. Allar is 44/82 for 502 yards, 3 TDs and 4 picks. 21 rushes for 102 yards.

He performed the way I expected. Not great.
 
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He finished 12/23 for 135 yards. 1 INT and really should have been 2. That was such a weak call on Shuler.

This defense is outrageously good with all of these injuries. That was a good gameplan by PSU too. Got the two screen passes early.
 
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