Post game presser.
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WHy would you torture yourself. MF is going to give the same coach speak, blah, blah, blah. Say he has to coach better, blah, blah, blah....Leonard will be the starting QB next week, blah blah blah. Outside of him stepping down or benching Leonard there is nothing I want to hear him say.
Well, I am a bit of an optimistic masochist!!! ND fan since mid 60’s, class of 79, still cheering, but no longer hopeful of seeing a natty for football. Don’t even want to think, let alone watch men’s bb anymore!!!
Yes we have been here before.
Way too often.
To me I do not think he knows how to do it
He talks about the whole program owning it but he is the guy that is accountable
He is completely clue less
Way too often.
To me I do not think he knows how to do it
He talks about the whole program owning it but he is the guy that is accountable
He is completely clue less
Pretty objective responses, all told.
What's clear though is that ND had no answers on defense or reliable enough weapons on offense.
It's clear that ND was both OUTCOACHED and OUTPLAYED by a team -- AT LEAST ON PAPER -- of inferior strength.
A complete FAILURE against a 28 point underdog. And a repeat performance of Marshall and Stanford two years ago.
Something's wrong in Denmark.
It’s obvious he has no clue
Every aspect of the team was garbage… that’s 100_% on the coach
Every aspect of the team was garbage… that’s 100_% on the coach
No passion from the oline or dline, the guys you absolutely need to be passionate. No creativity on offense. Nothing called in order to set up something for later in the game. Marcus tip toed thru the game and that’s coming from somebody who’s usually an apologist for ND Head Coaches. This was unacceptable.
He literally said “we’ve been here before”, yea no sh**! That’s the problem. Leonard is not good. Buchner is a better runner, angeli has a better arm and Minchey may be better than Leonard in both. Sit Leonard and play for next year.
He's becoming eerily similiar to Faust in that he will win some big games and lose unthinkable games...a good guy who should never have been given the job! Especially when they had the Faust playbook right on campus. I mean JFC GF happened at ND and yet, lets try it again 30 years later. Only at ND.
I blame Freeman, Denbrock, and Leonard, in that order. Terrible offensive game plan. Why not use more runners? Too much emphasis on Leonard's arm, which he doesn't have...selfishly heaving that last interception to throw the game away.
You can't blame the defense. They heldMarshal Northern Illinois to 16 points. They did their part.
It's on the offense. 14 points? I no longer have faith in Freeman. I was excited after the last game. But he has his own style of self immolation, losing to teams having no business beating ND.
NC is done. I'm really disappointed. 1988? Add another year from that memory.
You can't blame the defense. They held
It's on the offense. 14 points? I no longer have faith in Freeman. I was excited after the last game. But he has his own style of self immolation, losing to teams having no business beating ND.
NC is done. I'm really disappointed. 1988? Add another year from that memory.
Didn’t anybody think the Defensive was atrocious? They picked up 7-8 yards on the ground 75% of the time on first down.. had 3 and short all game.
You probably are right. I'm starting to believe this as well. I don't think a solid coach would lose to teams like Northern Illinois repeatedly.
I was hoping MF would be a lower odds outlier success. ND went long. Looks like the ball has dropped.
He has the personnel. Hasn't solved the OC issue. He and his OCs apparently cannot figure out who is the best QB, never mind how to play them.
Sure, some statistics weren't in their favor. I agree they didn't look good at times.
But we're talking 16 points.
The offense should be able to score more than that against NI.
You make a good point.
While the D didn't give away the store or a lot of points, it did allow NIU to do what it intended, viz. to MILK THE CLOCK. So, in that sense, YOU ARE RIGHT. Given the nature of the challenge, the D FAILED in that it couldn't stop the other team from EXECUTING ITS GAME PLAN.
They used to say that a good D is the best O, but it's also true -- and NIU proved it -- that the a good O can be the best D.
There are nuances, but even me with average football knowledge knows ND should be capable of 16+ points of offense to win a game against a team like NI.
The D was good. The NI O was ok...the ND O was terrible, failing to lend even minimal help. Helping the opponent with that killer Leonard interception...it's on the OC and QB.
Here we are again looking to next year already. ND will not win another NC period, we simply no longer get the best players or coaches, so it's inconceivable we will ever win a NC
I am still trying to process this. I kinda still think progress has been made with getting better players. ND is pretty loaded this year...aside from the all important QB position. Especially defense.
Coaches seem to the main factor now. Specifically MF and his OCs. Al Golden if fine.
It takes a lot together a top team, never mind a NC winner. ND always seems to lack 1 thing or the other. They say defenses win championships...so it takes especially bad offense and, by definition, overall coaching to fail when a top defense does its job.
As posted previously, for me this is a pattern and on MF...especially when it's a recurring pattern vs Marshall, Stanford, and NI.
I have to say it: MF might be a downgrade from BK. And I literally posted last week he was jelling and might be an upgrade to BK. I was wrong.
We have zero real playmakers/game changers at the receiver position, and our QB is a running basketball player
There has never been an IOTA OF DOUBT in my mind that MF was a downgrade -- PURELY COACHING WISE -- from BK. In fact, I can't see how a sane person could argue OTHERWISE.
The problem I see at ND, besides that of not being able to attract the very best coach, is the lack of MARQUEE GAMECHANGERS AT THE SKILL POSITIONS ON OFFENSE. No stat leaders, no Hesiman candidates.
You need players of that ilk AT THOSE POSITIONS to win an NC.
The D may not have had the best game, but they held Northern Illinois to 16 points. If ND can't score more than 16 points that's on the offense period.
The press should team his butt but they never do. It’s a joke. “Oh, I’ve got to fix this”. Did you fix it after Marshall? So in what world are you going to fix anything? You can’t even go on hgtv. You useless tool
On the job training takes time. His year six we be the equivalent of a year three.
Like I said, I was hoping last week that MF was at an inflection point...and becoming an upgrade. Last week, not before...and it was a hope. I posted so much after the win vs TAMU.
Obviously things can happen decisively in context...MF blew it today, 3 strikes vs Marshall, Stanford, and now NI. Done. Not an upgrade.
BK normalized to his peak over time. Decent. Not elite...but like you just said, and as we often discuss on these boards, any coach has impediments at ND. Regardless, I think MF is well in the process of normalizing to something < BK, sorry to say.
It takes time to find out. As I posted earlier, I'd love to be wrong...but I think only a miracle proves me wrong...and you know what they say about miracles.
Kelly lost to Navy, Tulsa, and South Florida in his first fourteen games, and that was with all of that experience although the Tulsa and USF losses were more understandable than the three bad freeman losses.
This loss sucks, but it’s still just one loss this season. We’ll have a better idea once the season has concluded. I think the offense will end up being good if Leonard stays healthy.
Man- we have some soft fans. "He's clueless".....way too much of that.
Shit game. Shit gameplan. Freeman and "2 of the best coordinators in the countey" got out-coached. Awful game. Awful day for the program and fans. Just brutal. We gotta rebound from this, and luckily, we have 10 games left.
Let's stop with the "clueless" stuff. Were they "clueless" last week when they beat Elko and A&M in College Station?
Horrible game. Horrible day. And the staff has to own it. Players too. You can't lose to NIU. But does Freeman saying what you want him to say in the presser change anything? Nope.
Horrible day. On to Purdue.
We gotta rebound and beat Purdue and Miami OH. Then beat Louisville's asses in a revenge game. Get to 4-1, and we can start to think about playoffs again.
But stop wanting Freeman to get on his knees and beg ND Nation to not fire him. Won't happen.
Shit game. Shit gameplan. Freeman and "2 of the best coordinators in the countey" got out-coached. Awful game. Awful day for the program and fans. Just brutal. We gotta rebound from this, and luckily, we have 10 games left.
Let's stop with the "clueless" stuff. Were they "clueless" last week when they beat Elko and A&M in College Station?
Horrible game. Horrible day. And the staff has to own it. Players too. You can't lose to NIU. But does Freeman saying what you want him to say in the presser change anything? Nope.
Horrible day. On to Purdue.
We gotta rebound and beat Purdue and Miami OH. Then beat Louisville's asses in a revenge game. Get to 4-1, and we can start to think about playoffs again.
But stop wanting Freeman to get on his knees and beg ND Nation to not fire him. Won't happen.
BK inherited a much worse situation. And like you said, these 3 losses under Freeman are worse...and over 3 seasons. Pattern.
My main point now is whatever the comparative losses, I don't believe MF will outperform BK over time. I think now that MF is a downgrade...something I posted about earlier...especially since I posted last week the opposite.
A loss to NI has that much impact...because to me it says a lot about MF and what he can do. I don't want to fire him. But I am resigned to him not being the coach to get ND a NC...if that's possible.
No one wants to say it but this was a knee jerk hire when BK left. ND as a university was still spending so much time talking about the George Floyd, systemic racism, etc. You had a likable, energetic young black coordinator and the press/media loved it, while many fans questioned it.
It was an easy sell, I saw repeated tweets from sports media folks about how ND was looking to a “young black coach” to elevate ND to the next level.
I think he’s a great guy but should’ve never been the HC. In fact I wasn’t always happy with him as DC. Clark Lea was a better DC.
It was an easy sell, I saw repeated tweets from sports media folks about how ND was looking to a “young black coach” to elevate ND to the next level.
I think he’s a great guy but should’ve never been the HC. In fact I wasn’t always happy with him as DC. Clark Lea was a better DC.
Gary Faust is one of the nicest people you will ever meet and to this day a Great ND fan
But he was a lousy college coach
MF is somewhat better but not a real upgrade from Faust
I have to agree that while he is out recruiting Kelly he is a worse HC.
You need a top HC to compete for a NC and we have not had one since early Lou
Clearly held their own when it came to not breaking but were getting gouged all game. Couldn’t get them off the field when we needed to. Sneed had numerous head scratchers, getting out flanked on the play where he initially set the edge, wow.
Yes that was bad on that Sneed play. I’d need to watch again, but he should have understood that he needed to force the ballcarrier back in. ND had the play bottled up except for that.
Regardless of stats, they let NIU stay on the field too long although NIU deserves credit for executing a couple of the conversions through the air.
Freeman is still very inconsistent but he also gets the team to play at a very high level. I predicted 10-2 this year and I’m sticking with it. I think he’ll have the lads bounce back next week.
A common coaching mantra is "next play." As in, don't let one bad play turn into 3,4,5 bad plays. You can't change the past. Same goes for games. This team can still win the next 3 games. Dig in, make some corrections, and stay hungry.
That's all you can do. Beat Louisville, and get to 4-1. Then we can re-evaluate goals and talk about a realistic pathway to playoffs.
Beat Louisville? How about beat Purdue...Card is a thousand x's the QB we faced today. Playoffs?? This season is OVER!
You're soft. If season is over, then stop watching. And stay off message boards. You won't.
It's week 2. Have to fight back. Where are your nuts?
Swallowed by the last 31 years of ND football! The soft one is you thinking all will be good, you have no nuts to stand up and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Not only are you a sheep but, a ****ing weak one at that!
Jeremiah Love's very talented. We didn't use him enough today. 11 carries for 79 yds and a highlight reel touchdown. Price had only 4 carries for 24 yards. Between them they had 15 carries for 103 yds - almost 7 ypc.
Why didn't we run the RBs more? I hope some reporter asks Freeman and Denbrock that question.
I'm just shocked at the difference between what Denbrock's offense looked like at LSU and what it has looked like so far at ND.
Football-wise, the guy may have been better off with Kelly at LSU.
As for the RB's, I'm as stumped as you are. Love is talented, but I still think Price is being underused. They should be throwing him screens all day. I also think they need a power back to round out the position. Payne would have been that guy maybe.
