Oops I missed navy and I had temple. The rest would be 3+ loss teams since Stanford would pick up a third loss to ND in that scenario. That gives ND 3 wins over ranked teams (with the best probably going to be navy at around 12-15) with 1 loss vs Iowa or Osu which one or the other would have 3 wins over ranked teams and 0 losses including a win over a top 10 team. Don't count out MSU either of they beat OSU and then Iowa in the b10 champ game. Ok and ok at would have better situation if they win out. ND needs a conference to drop if they want to get in which they will need a lot to happen.
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ND does not need a conf. 11-1 ND is in because they are not in a weak conf and has the best strength of schedule because of it.
99.9% chance that ND is left out if Ohio State, Okie State, Alabama, and Clemson all win out, as they should be. ND can be 11-1 in this scenario. Saying if ND goes 11-1, they're in, is ignorant at best.
If USC plays Stanford in the PAc12 championship, and Notre Dame wins out, Notre Dame effectively is the PAC12 conference champion. They will have beaten each of the north and south PAC12 champions.
The bspn talking heads typically acknowledge that the pac12 is the second best conference to the sec for the last 10 years or so. They say too, that they cannabalize each other every year. The reality is the PAC12 plays one additional conference game than the other conferences. So while the big10, acc, sec, and big12 schedule a cupcake, the pac12 is playing a conference game.
And this year, I would argue that they are the strongest conference. That the PAC12 did in fact cannabalize each other this year.
AZ, AZ St., Utah, UCLA, USC, Oregon, Wash St, Stanford, Cal.
Nine out of the 12 have a .500 or better winning %, Az St being the only .500 winning - the rest are over .500. That's a pretty difficult path adding an extra conference game. And with a win over Stanford, this year, Notre Dame beat their two best.
But the pac12 isn't getting one this year either. Unless Stanford beats ND and others lose out and then this is a moot point.
Also I am convinced the Big 10 will get a spot. If MSU wins out they will be in with 4 wins against ranked opponents including two top 10 or if Iowa or OSU wins out they will definitely get it. Whoever wins then big ten championship will be in, unless Iowa loses to purdue and then wins the championship. I also cannot imagine a scenario where the SEC somehow does not get a spot.
I think it is in the committees best interest to try to pull from 4 different conferences. With notre dame haing a strong relationship with the Acc I don't see them getting a spot unless Clemson fails. Nd had their chance and they got slaughtered until garbage time they made a valiant effort to come back. The Stars really need to align to get in... Plus they will have no overly impressive wins.
I think it is in the committees best interest to try to pull from 4 different conferences. With notre dame haing a strong relationship with the Acc I don't see them getting a spot unless Clemson fails. Nd had their chance and they got slaughtered until garbage time they made a valiant effort to come back. The Stars really need to align to get in... Plus they will have no overly impressive wins.
And, what if Pittsburgh, Temple, Navy, Stanford, USC, and Clemson, all finish in the Top 25? The Irish record against them is 5-1 with the lone loss to #1 (currently) Clemson by 2 points on last play.
Then look at common opponents:
Iowa beat Pittsburgh by 3 on a last second FG; ND beat Pitt by 42-24 except for last minute TD because of a fumble return TD by our back-up Wimbush (to the back-up Kizer, to the back-up Golson, to the starter Zaire) QB.
North Carolina you say? They beat Ga Tech by 7. We had Ga Tech 30-10, with 1 1/2 minutes to play. Back-ups allowed 12 pts in 90 secs. which made the final score 30-22.
Oklahoma? Lost to Texas and ND won 38-0. This is when healthy - when only Golson and Jarron Jones weren't hurt or left as the season began.
If you are going to look at scores and how the games played out that will hurt ND. A lot of close games. Look at Virginia, navy, and temple.
Navy and Temple were not close games....just the score was close. In regards to Virginia ND went through a QB switch and injuries and was months ago...all is forgotten. It is like ND's loss the only game you can really ever lose (and this applies to most / all teams) is one early in the year against a good team. Losing late has that much more impact...
How do you claim that Temple was not a close game? We were down with 2 and a half minutes to play.
LOL. Garbage time? I don't remember Dabo pulling his starters at any point in the game. In fact, Dabo-ner, just shortly after the ND game had the nerve to say after a game on-field interview, "Good teams win in the 4th quarter"...uh, Dabster, didn't ND outscore you 19-3 in the 4th quarter?
In fact, Notre Dame's Corey Robinson dropped a sure TD with a ball going right through his hands, a 2-ptr the same way, a Chris Brown fumble at the Clemson 2 yd line, at least 2 drops by Will Fuller, and 4 turnovers in the game.
It was the worst game of the year played by ND, and and it was only a 2 point loss on the last play.
Let's look indeed. Virginia game Zaire broke an ankle and a freshman QB with very little game action, if any, came in to win an away game to get his career underway. Navy and Temple? Navy is ranked (finally) at 16. Temple was an away game and undefeated.
I never said anything about OU or UNC. Do you think the committee will pick ND over 13-0 Ohio State, 12-0 Okie State, 13-0 Clemson, 12-1 Alabama? I don't.
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
The Big 12 is a joke and Oklahoma State played three teams I never heard of to start the season and then got a fluke win over Texas and a fluke win over Kansas State. Won a game 70 to 53 ( a damn embarrassment to college football). They haven't beat anybody that has a pulse. If they beat Baylor it doesn't mean squat because Baylor hasn't beat anybody and lost to Oklahoma who hasn't beat anybody and if they beat Oklahoma that gives them one good win.
*** Face it, the committee is filled with intelligent people who do not respect the Big 12 and rightfully so ..
*** The Big 12 is a conference with a 6 foot 7-- 450 lb tightend (plays for Baylor) that has no problem faking out all the best big 12 cornerbacks.. Freaks ..! They play touch football--- 70 to 53 anyone????
The best team --Oklahoma--is led by none other than " Big Game Bob":--the committee wants a team in the playoffs that can actually win a big game...
*** Face it, the committee is filled with intelligent people who do not respect the Big 12 and rightfully so ..
*** The Big 12 is a conference with a 6 foot 7-- 450 lb tightend (plays for Baylor) that has no problem faking out all the best big 12 cornerbacks.. Freaks ..! They play touch football--- 70 to 53 anyone????
The best team --Oklahoma--is led by none other than " Big Game Bob":--the committee wants a team in the playoffs that can actually win a big game...
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ok my computer is going schizo. I was going to quote that bodi post about that monster TE who fakes out big12 CBs by saying he also faked out the official pretty good too! Pretty funny stuff if you saw the clip.
There is absolutely no way the committee takes ND over a 12-0 Ok state. They would have two late wins over top 15 teams Baylor and OK, don't care how easy their schedule was still a power 5 conference. It was like when ND played in the championship vs bama, can't deny an undefeated record in a major conference regardless of schedule.
While I agree with this, I doubt they all win out. Okie State will probably lose at least once. Their two toughest games remain. Ohio State could lose, too. Their 3 toughest games of the season remain.
I think we want Clemson to win out, for our SOS. I doubt Bama loses again. Auburn isn't that good, and Florida won't score any points on them. If Vandy could hold them to 9 points, they sure won't score many on Bama.
I don't think its likely they will either. My point is that its ignorant to just say, "11-1 and ND is in."
Navy will drop far if they lose a game. The Midshipmen have an impressive win over Memphis but no P5 wins and have played a soft schedule.
The fact that we were a two point conversion away from tying the game at the end means, by definition, there was no garbage time in that game. Did you notice Clemson taking out any of their starters in the 4Q of the game?
If they lose to Houston they will be likely 10-2 with two losses to FBS teams that combine for one loss between them. That should be a top 25 team.
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
I actually think Navy will crush Houston and Tulsa like they did to Memphis. They will see how tough it is to play Navy's triple option on only one week prep but without the talent ND has on Defense.
*** Navy actually has a very good defense to go along with their offense well oiled Triple option.
Navy will probably get to a New Years six bowl, Which will help ND. I think they will probably lose in the bowl game because the other team will probably have more talent and will have time to prepare for Navy'.s offense. But by then it won't matter--- A 12 and 1 Navy team ranked in the top ten will get the irish in when the Irish win out.
Actually, you are the one looking like a moron, repeatedly stating something that just is not true.
11-1 ND is in is the truth and when it happens you will still look like a moron.
It may very well happen, but the assertion that it is a given is patently false.
