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OT: TESTIFY! Yes or no?

Kasich.

Look -- Hillary was two time senator in New York. She won handily the first time 55 to 38. Seeking reelection she won by the second biggest margin in NY State Senate history winning by a two-to-one margin, nearly 70% of New Yorkers voted for Hillary.

New Yorkers are hard to fool and harder to please.

In last fall's Presidential Election she won New York in a landslide crushing New Yorker Donald Trump 59 to 36%. New Yorkers knew both of them and went overwhelmingly for the more competent candidate.

She did her job and did it well. New Yorkers twice rewarded her for her hard work. You may disagree with her policies but she is a smart lady with a lot of experience.

Trump has always been an incompetent blowhard and his presidency is just a reflection of that.
Are they? Born and raised in Chicago, college in Massachusetts, law school in Connecticut, 20+ years in Arkansas, 8 years in Washington, and she got elected Senator in ............New York? I am sure she had probably been to a few Broadway shows in New York, so maybe that qualifies as residence. I am not anti-Hillary at all, but she got elected Senator in a state in which she basically never lived for one reason, and one reason only, being married to Bill Clinton.
 
Yet she was reelected by the second biggest margin in NY history. I don't think that had anything to do with Bill. And, I'm not sure, give the Lewinsky mess, New Yorkers were voting for her for Bill. Not New Yorker's style. (But you are absolutely right, she did have to overcome that obstacle of not being born or having lived for long in NY -- the the republicans tried to hammer her on that in the first election. She overcame it.)
 
Yet she was reelected by the second biggest margin in NY history. I don't think that had anything to do with Bill. And, I'm not sure, give the Lewinsky mess, New Yorkers were voting for her for Bill. Not New Yorker's style. (But you are absolutely right, she did have to overcome that obstacle of not being born or having lived for long in NY -- the the republicans tried to hammer her on that in the first election. She overcame it.)
Did she take D'Amato's seat?
 
I actually voted for Kasich and Rubio as my write in candidates. Smart and competent and I would have been very happy with this team, and glad to see that you agree about Kasich. That said, both are products of the system, as is Hillary; and the polarization that dominated Obama's eight years hurt each of them as an angry electorate wanted a mover and a shaker from outside, warts and all, and that's what they got in Trump.
I've said before that the resist movement is bad for the country. The unwillingness to accept that Hillary got her butt kicked in the electoral college, and looking for any excuse and explanation beyond accepting that she ran a terrible campaign in a year of the outsider, seems terribly short sighted and hurtful to our democratic system. Hanging on to some silly rationale that New Yorkers favored Hillary over Trump by a wide margin, and therefore she deserved to be President, borders on delusional. Yes, she killed it in New York and California and basically the two coasts, but lost everything in between; and the system worked exactly as the founding fathers intended by making sure the few most populated states did not control the outcome of the election.
Trump is a deal making pragmatic doer, and I feel your resist movement and the resist actions of the Dems in Congress are huge mistakes. If the Dems signaled a willingness to sit down and cut deals with Trump instead of opposing him at every opportunity, I think he could be very effective. Clearly, that's not going to happen, which simply strengthens the conservative sway with this President.
 
WSJ... LATimes... NPR... CNN. (and even sometimes, although less and less these days because they refuse to report the story, Fox)

DIP -- I know we respectfully disagree, but are you really happy with the direction this President and Paul Ryan are taking our country? Throwing 25 million off of health care without even having a hearing on their new bill, cutting medicaid, cutting 1/4 of the budget for food stamps which mostly benefits kids and older adults, denying climate change, unleashing the forces that gave us the 2007 bank crisis by overturning Dodd Frank, relinquishing our leadership role in the world by hitching our wagon to the Russians and the Saudis? Allowing China and India to take the lead in alternative power and relinquishing all of those jobs? Allowing Russian spies into the oval office and only allowing Russian press to report it? Doing his own business -- failing to cut his business ties while he has the most important job in the world -- not the business of the USA.

For him, it is not about America, it is about Trump and Trump alone. He lost me when he said about John McCain: “He’s not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.” And this from a guy who dodged the draft! Or when he attacked a Gold Star family. This weekend, he made no comment when informed that we lost three soldiers in Afghanistan. It took hours before a press agent with him at this golf course made a statement. Still silence.

Sorry my friend, but Ryan's 'he's new to this' defense doesn't work for me. It wouldn't work for a plumber I hired, for a doctor who was repairing my heart or for a guy coaching of the Irish football team!

Time for him to go away.
 
I actually voted for Kasich and Rubio as my write in candidates. Smart and competent and I would have been very happy with this team, and glad to see that you agree about Kasich. That said, both are products of the system, as is Hillary; and the polarization that dominated Obama's eight years hurt each of them as an angry electorate wanted a mover and a shaker from outside, warts and all, and that's what they got in Trump.
I've said before that the resist movement is bad for the country. The unwillingness to accept that Hillary got her butt kicked in the electoral college, and looking for any excuse and explanation beyond accepting that she ran a terrible campaign in a year of the outsider, seems terribly short sighted and hurtful to our democratic system. Hanging on to some silly rationale that New Yorkers favored Hillary over Trump by a wide margin, and therefore she deserved to be President, borders on delusional. Yes, she killed it in New York and California and basically the two coasts, but lost everything in between; and the system worked exactly as the founding fathers intended by making sure the few most populated states did not control the outcome of the election.
Trump is a deal making pragmatic doer, and I feel your resist movement and the resist actions of the Dems in Congress are huge mistakes. If the Dems signaled a willingness to sit down and cut deals with Trump instead of opposing him at every opportunity, I think he could be very effective. Clearly, that's not going to happen, which simply strengthens the conservative sway with this President.
I have been a Kasich fan for years. Disappointed he can't seem to get any traction on the national stage.
 
Old news... Obama is no longer the president..

Just read an interesting article rating our presidents by a historians on cspan. Guess who came in at #12 only three behind Reagan at #9.

That is right... President Barrack Obama is #12

https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2017/?page=overall


We'll see how that rating pans out after the investigation on the NSA, and the Obama Administration spying on millions of Americans and un -masking thousands.

Just like his so-called achievements his legacy will crumble.
 
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Yet she was reelected by the second biggest margin in NY history. I don't think that had anything to do with Bill. And, I'm not sure, give the Lewinsky mess, New Yorkers were voting for her for Bill. Not New Yorker's style. (But you are absolutely right, she did have to overcome that obstacle of not being born or having lived for long in NY -- the the republicans tried to hammer her on that in the first election. She overcame it.)

I wouldn't brag about that. NY taxes their citizens like the English did to the colones. So she fits right in.

What did she have to over come?
She's in bed with the media, and the politicians

The evidence of collusion is overwhelming, but the media runs interference. Hoe convenient
 
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Dumpster fire. Embarrassing time to be an American. This guy is total joke. As a businessman, as a tv personality and, I hate to even say it, as our president.

Do you guys still love that Pinto you bought in 1974?

After the last 8 year now your embarrassed?
While president O was spying on its citizens other countries were hacking into America's secrets, and financial institutions
President Obama was played like the weakling he is.
That's embarrassing
 
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After the last 8 year now your embarrassed?
While president O was spying on its citizens other countries were hacking into America's secrets, and financial institutions
President Obama was played like the weakling he is.
That's embarrassing
You may be right but Trump has to do it bigger so he will drive over the cliff to satisfy his narcissistic ego.
 
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You may be right but Trump has to do it bigger so he will drive over the cliff to satisfy his narcissistic ego.
That ego will make it very hard for him to accept failure, which may, in the long run, be a good thing for the country. Better than a President running around apologizing all the time.
 
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That ego will make it very hard for him to accept failure, which may, in the long run, be a good thing for the country. Better than a President running around apologizing all the time.
True but it could hamper reaching across the isle especially when the other side has little desire
 
James T. Hodgkinson....... Some liberals are truly evil, deplorable people.

The whole reason for the "play" in NYC is to incite guys like this to go kill Republicans or the President.
 
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True but it could hamper reaching across the isle especially when the other side has little desire
If Trump introduced the best most monumental piece of legislation ever tomorrow, I don't think any democrats would vote for it. It's the world in which we live right now. Being seen as not "resisting" Trump could be used against any Dem the next time they run in their local election.
 
James T. Hodgkinson....... Liberals are truly evil, deplorable people.

The whole reason for the "play" in NYC is to incite guys like this to go kill Republicans or the President.
And who is James T. Hodgkinson?

Update: I now realize that he was the peaceful non-violent lib who shot up a GOP baseball practice this morning, wounding five.
 
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If Trump introduced the best most monumental piece of legislation ever tomorrow, I don't think any democrats would vote for it. It's the world in which we live right now. Being seen as not "resisting" Trump could be used against any Dem the next time they run in their local election.

I can't argue with that
 
I can't argue with that
What's most disappointing is that, based upon his non-political, somewhat Democrat leaning, background, and owing very very few favors to anyone in Washington, Trump may actually be more prone to "meet in the middle" on legislative issues than any of our recent Presidents. But to meet in the middle the other side has to be willing to meet there too. That looks like it may be a problem.
 
What's most disappointing is that, based upon his non-political, somewhat Democrat leaning, background, and owing very very few favors to anyone in Washington, Trump may actually be more prone to "meet in the middle" on legislative issues than any of our recent Presidents. But to meet in the middle the other side has to be willing to meet there too. That looks like it may be a problem.

I tend to think it means Trump has no principles and will do anything to be considered a "winner" regardless of the damage caused to people.

If Trump truly cared about the middle, he would have organized a much better administration; his cabinet is the worst in the post-WW II era. Justice, EPA, Education, Treasury, and HUD all have terrible leaders, to name just a few.
 
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What's most disappointing is that, based upon his non-political, somewhat Democrat leaning, background, and owing very very few favors to anyone in Washington, Trump may actually be more prone to "meet in the middle" on legislative issues than any of our recent Presidents. But to meet in the middle the other side has to be willing to meet there too. That looks like it may be a problem.
President Trump and his family are Democrat learning for most of their lives
I though for sure there could be common ground with the Dems and he would need to work the Republicans more.
 
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I tend to think it means Trump has no principles and will do anything to be considered a "winner" regardless of the damage caused to people.

If Trump truly cared about the middle, he would have organized a much better administration; his cabinet is the worst in the post-WW II era. Justice, EPA, Education, Treasury, and HUD all have terrible leaders, to name just a few.

You obviously are not paying attention the Democrats are slow walking every appointee

Don't blame president Trump for their obstruction
 
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I tend to think it means Trump has no principles and will do anything to be considered a "winner" regardless of the damage caused to people.

If Trump truly cared about the middle, he would have organized a much better administration; his cabinet is the worst in the post-WW II era. Justice, EPA, Education, Treasury, and HUD all have terrible leaders, to name just a few.
I see it exactly the opposite way. With not being a real politician, and without the baggage that comes with many years of being one, like most Presidents have, I see Trump as being able to be more pragmatic, or at least trying to be more pragmatic, in doing what's best for the people and country. He doesn't need money, he doesn't need notoriety, he can just try to do the job without worrying about everything a politician has to worry about.

Take the travel ban for example. The Obama administration tabs this group of specific middle east countries as having sub-standard vetting procedures for people emigrating to the US. Take the politics and emotion out of the equation, what would you do under the guise of what's best for our country? I think most people would do just what Trump did, we are suspending immigration from XYZ country until they satisfactorily improve their vetting process. Pretty pragmatic. And a great inducement for that country to fix their problem pronto. Of course the situation was not without politics and emotion, and it's been an epic hornet's nest. Lesson learned for him the very hard way, but at its simplest core it was a pragmatic way to address a problem that had, or potentially could, put Americans at risk.
 
You obviously are not paying attention the Democrats are slow walking every appointee

Don't blame president Trump for their obstruction

Obstruction? Absurd. Republicans have majority and showed early on they would use simple majority to confirm nominees, even for Supreme Court. Democrats have no leverage.

Democrats not even close to the obstructionism of Ted Cruz who shut down the government trying to get his way.

I am not the person who isn't paying attention.
 
Obstruction? Absurd. Republicans have majority and showed early on they would use simple majority to confirm nominees, even for Supreme Court. Democrats have no leverage.

Democrats not even close to the obstructionism of Ted Cruz who shut down the government trying to get his way.

I am not the person who isn't paying attention.


I wasn't speaking to just the Democratic obstruction there are those on the Republican side who are just as guilty

The fact remains the Congress which is all the Democrats, and enough never Trump/liberal learning Republicans who are the obstructionist.

"I have never seen something that stinks like this" (paraphrasing Al Pacino in Any Given Sunday)

Paul Ryan needs to be replaced with Mike Lee plan and simple.

So as you can see I am paying attention ask yourself the same thing.
 
You obviously are not paying attention the Democrats are slow walking every appointee

Don't blame president Trump for their obstruction
I wasn't speaking to just the Democratic obstruction there are those on the Republican side who are just as guilty

The fact remains the Congress which is all the Democrats, and enough never Trump/liberal learning Republicans who are the obstructionist.

"I have never seen something that stinks like this" (paraphrasing Al Pacino in Any Given Sunday)

Paul Ryan needs to be replaced with Mike Lee plan and simple.

So as you can see I am paying attention ask yourself the same thing.

You can't replace the Speaker of the House with a U.S. Senator.
 
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Obstruction? Absurd. Republicans have majority and showed early on they would use simple majority to confirm nominees, even for Supreme Court. Democrats have no leverage.

Democrats not even close to the obstructionism of Ted Cruz who shut down the government trying to get his way.

I am not the person who isn't paying attention.
The "shut down" was the best period of the Obama 8 pathetic years.
 
I tend to think it means Trump has no principles and will do anything to be considered a "winner" regardless of the damage caused to people.

If Trump truly cared about the middle, he would have organized a much better administration; his cabinet is the worst in the post-WW II era. Justice, EPA, Education, Treasury, and HUD all have terrible leaders, to name just a few.
His cabinet is outstanding. Very successful people and lacking the "hacks" of previous administration.
Drain the swamp!
 
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I guess I don't think of people who have different political views than me as "truly evil" or "deplorable". I suppose you do. That's sad, to me.
Where have I heard that term deplorable before? I think I heard it on the campaign trail. :p
 
His cabinet is outstanding. Very successful people and lacking the "hacks" of previous administration.
Drain the swamp!
Please explain the completely unqualified Betsy Devos.the only thing outstanding about her is her checkbook.
 
Why?

What's wrong with the Constitution?

What's wrong with being fiscally sound?

That' can't be sold to moderate voters?
 
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I tend to think it means Trump has no principles and will do anything to be considered a "winner" regardless of the damage caused to people.

If Trump truly cared about the middle, he would have organized a much better administration; his cabinet is the worst in the post-WW II era. Justice, EPA, Education, Treasury, and HUD all have terrible leaders, to name just a few.
Can you name one extremely successful cabinet member in any of those departments in the last 15 years because they all seem like they have gone to shit to me
 
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