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Ahem….LJ did the same exact thing starting with Miami…he had to pick his teammates to get the ring
More skilled and more athletic
But passing skills are worse, and you are allowed to take 3.5 steps now …hate both of those developments
Passing is much better. Shooting. Ball handling. Athleticism
It's funny the old timers used to complain that Michael Jordan got away with traveling all the time
Now MJ and that era people are saying it about this era. Funny how that works
No one ever said Jordan got away with traveling. You clearly are too young to remember that era. 😂 what a joke.
He’s largely responsible for the way the game is played today. He single handedly changed how offenses attack, and for shot selection all over the court being acceptable and for weaponizing the 3. The greatest shooter ever. They have equal amount of championships, steph with the same team, built a dynasty from ground up and didn’t need to chase rings by creating super teams and joining forces with NBA Finals MVP D Wade, Bosh, Allen.
The fact the poster thinks KD is a Top 10 player ever is all I need to know.. talk about recency bias and need to turn on the tape.
Of course they did. I'm 53 and remember it well. No one got away with more the MJ. Should have been called for an offensive foul before his game winner against Utah.
Agree about Steph changing the game. He didn't chase rings and has an extra two only because Durant did. What LeBron did in 2016 with that team is nothing short of remarkable, especially being down 3-1 against a team some were calling the greatest ever.
Passing is not better, not close. Anyone can pass around the perimeter.
Who cares about MJ? The amount of steps allowed these days is ridiculous
Lebron James has had a 20 year prime. Let that sink in. He's a pass first player who is the all time leading scorer in the NBA. Let that sink in. He would be the biggest NBA player in the 80's period and not for just his position to those that think teams would rough him up. He would be a run away train. In the 90's he still out weighs everyone who plays his position by at least 50 pounds and no one is going to out athlete him.
20 years chasing rings with super teams and still has 2 less than the Goat. 20 years to break the scoring record, reminiscent of Emmit Smiths career rushing title. Biggest NBA player in the 80s? Huh
Did you see the Pistons 30 for 30 Bad Boys? I love that section on the "Jordan Rule."
Why do people always miss this? IF LJ was playing in the 90s he would have used the training methods of the 90s. Not to mention his shoe deal would have the terms of that era too.
Game has totally changed for the worse. Put your head down and drive to draw a foul or kick it out for a three. Boring. So much bullshit that players didn’t work out and lift and weren’t athletic in the 80s & 90s too. Skills wise, players are shooting more threes so more on the floor can take them but the game was much better back in the 80s-90s and teams were much better too. I was watching a Barkley/dr j special today and remembered how good teams were back then. Moses, dr j & Barkley on the same team, & didn’t win it all. That tells you something. That team would win the championship this year, no doubt. 80/90s was the golden era. As someone posted, the here & now always gets more than it should.
Yes they did! Lol. All the time. And they said he got all the calls! How quickly people forget
He's 260 plus pounds. He would be one of the heaviest and strongest players of the 80s. He would run over them. Along with being the most athletic
Lol. Dr j was old. Barley was a young kid. People don't like to say it but go watch some tape, The doctor rarely dribbled with his left hand
90s golden era, what??? Are you people serious? Expansion came into the league, international players weren't here yet and the league was watered down compared to the 80s
Come on
Lebron v Curry
Finals MVPs
Lbj - 4 Steph - 1
Reg season MVPs
Lbj - 4 Steph 2
All nba teams
Lbj - 19 Steph 9
All star teams
Lbj - 19 Steph - 9
All nba def teams
Lbj- 6 Steph 0
Lebron averaged more points rebounds assists blocks per gm. Steph got steals
It's not even close. It's not even a debate. Get outta here
I don’t need to watch tape. I watched it live. Barkley was a stud, even as a rookie. And Moses and dr j had just won a title a year or two before. Those lakers, sixers, Celtics teams would destroy these teams. Go watch the tape.
I have. Recently. Have you?
Barkley was not a stud as a rookie. He averaged 14ppg and 9rpg
In barkleys second year, dr j was 34 and not the same player.
Who’s guarding him now that’s so special? Tatum, Klay, Draymond? Barkley, Pippen, Malone, Magic, Bird… if you think Lebron would be more dominate in the 80s/90s, we’ll that’s just beyond clueless. That would imply defense and physicality is better now- false. These are finesse athletes who sit at the three point line.Not to mention there’s nobody at the rim waiting like Hakeem, Admiral, Ewing.
I was lucky to be at his first game as a pro in Sacramento. I was there with my son, and fully expected him to struggle against a sacramento team known for a stingy defense, and he was amazing. I can’t recall the exact number, but he scored over 20 pts and dominated, physically and mentally. I don’t care for his public persona, but the man is a generational talent. And as impressive as he was in game 6 against the Warriors, there’s no question that his ball handling skills are on the decline. But, still amazing.
The poster said Top 10 but he’s not in the Top 15 either. Might sneak into top 20.
“I have. Recently. Have you?
Barkley was not a stud as a rookie. He averaged 14ppg and 9rpg
In barkleys second year, dr j was 34 and not the same player.”
Have I what, watched tape of 80s nba? No, I don’t need to. I witnessed it, firsthand. You can tout today’s player all you want, I’m not saying players now couldn’t be as good back then, but those teams were better.
Barkley was a stud in college and a stud in the nba (one of the best to ever play the game). Moses and dr j had just won a title. The only reason they didn’t win was because the Celtics had one of the best teams ever. I don’t know how old you are and really don’t care, but you think lebron is a top 5 passer of all time. That’s as absurd a take I’ve ever heard. You love lebron, that’s fine, he’s one of the greats, but just as the game has changed in football, it’s changed in basketball too. Brady wouldn’t have been able to play as long as he has back in the 80s, just as today’s players wouldn’t have the same exact success back in the day necessarily because of the way the game is called today and the way it’s turned into charging to the basket or heaving up threes (there’s very little motion & team game play). The game has changed, for the worse. You may disagree, & that’s fine, but stop w/ the “players didn’t work out back then”, that’s dumb and flat out wrong.
Barkley was not a stud as a rookie. He averaged 14ppg and 9rpg
In barkleys second year, dr j was 34 and not the same player.”
Have I what, watched tape of 80s nba? No, I don’t need to. I witnessed it, firsthand. You can tout today’s player all you want, I’m not saying players now couldn’t be as good back then, but those teams were better.
Barkley was a stud in college and a stud in the nba (one of the best to ever play the game). Moses and dr j had just won a title. The only reason they didn’t win was because the Celtics had one of the best teams ever. I don’t know how old you are and really don’t care, but you think lebron is a top 5 passer of all time. That’s as absurd a take I’ve ever heard. You love lebron, that’s fine, he’s one of the greats, but just as the game has changed in football, it’s changed in basketball too. Brady wouldn’t have been able to play as long as he has back in the 80s, just as today’s players wouldn’t have the same exact success back in the day necessarily because of the way the game is called today and the way it’s turned into charging to the basket or heaving up threes (there’s very little motion & team game play). The game has changed, for the worse. You may disagree, & that’s fine, but stop w/ the “players didn’t work out back then”, that’s dumb and flat out wrong.
You are clueless. I'm not even a a Bulls fan, and as a Knicks fan I despised Jordan at that time. Never hitched about him traveling or getting favorable calls. Unlike today, hard fouls existed, defense existed. Todays game there is no defense, only flopping. Soccer may have invented the flop, but todays NBA players have mastered it. The NBA is a shell of what it used to be.
Crazy talk. ‘Bron and AD are clearly the better duo in the series and imo in the playoffs. Don’t pay attention to the seeding. The Lakers took the first 1/3 of the season completely off and then remade their roster at the tradeline. It’s going 6 and probably 7 games.
KD’s stats are nearly identical to that of Larry Bird. Bird’s a top 15 player of all time.
“KD’s stats are nearly identical to that of Larry Bird. Bird’s a top 15 player of all time.”
KD is a scorer, one of the best ever, but bird was great at everything. There’s no comparison, all around player-wise.
KD is a scorer, one of the best ever, but bird was great at everything. There’s no comparison, all around player-wise.
And bird is way higher than top 15. That’s a ridiculously low ranking of him. He’s top 5 at worst, and his stretch from like ‘83-86 was maybe the best player ever. If he didn’t have injuries, he’d be up there w/ MJ, the goat.
Here’s a decent list that even has KD too high. D Wade had a better career than KD, hell I’d rank Barkley, Nowitski and Stockton higher. KD could score and first man of his size with that skill level. He could never carry a team, didn’t have IT. What good is a great stat line if you don’t win? Stats are great but he never got it done- even with Russ/Harden.
Another factor is the amount of teams in the league back then. Only 23 until ‘88 & then 25 for a bit. Today there’s 30 teams. I realize the talent pool has grown globally, but we’re talking about 84 to 105 less players (depending on if you’re talking about a 12 man or 15 man roster) in the league back then. Simple math tells us that the overall depth of teams was better back then. The rise of int’l players is most definitely a factor, but not enough to fill 7 nba rosters equivalent to an 80s nba roster.
I don't know. KD has ZERO defense and isn't much of a leader. Pretty weak around the rim too. An elite shooter who can get his own shot anytime he wants for sure. Should have stayed with OKC and Russ and got a chip that way. Definitely 15 -20 players worthy of consideration.
I watched some tape of Chamberlain vs Jabbar a few days back. I was blown away how good Chamberlain was. He was hitting fadeways (Jordan like) off the bank, from 14-16ft with ease. He had this aggressive finger roll, from the post, that was wicked and nobody today does anything close.
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