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The old man just continues to amaze me. Year 20 and played damn near every minute and was the best player on the court. Almost a flawless performance when the Lakers needed him most. I dont think the Lakers can beat the Denver but man what a showman. 41 series wins to go to #1 all time. Taking out another defending champ. Give this man his flowers he has surpassed the unreal expectations heaped on him as a 16 year old... Mama there goes that man!
 
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The old man just continues to amaze me. Year 20 and played damn near every minute and was the best player on the court. Almost a flawless performance when the Lakers needed him most. I dont think the Lakers can beat the Denver but man what a showman. 41 series wins to go to #1 all time. Taking out another defending champ. Give this man his flowers he has surpassed the unreal expectations heaped on him as a 16 year old... Mama there goes that man!
Load balancing and the softening up of the NBA helped extend his career. If he played in the 80's and 90's he'd be washed up by year 15.
 
Load balancing and the softening up of the NBA helped extend his career. If he played in the 80's and 90's he'd be washed up by year 15.
Softening the NBA? It was way easier to win in the 80's and 90's than today. There were around 110 D1 colleges in the 80's there are now 350+ D1 programs. The NBA was 99%-93% American born in the 80 and 90's. Now its down to the low 70's. 3 of the top 5 players in the world are foreign. Jokic, Embiid, Giannis.
MJ got 6 expansion teams in 7 years and all the great dynasties of the 80's aged out. What Lebron has done is damn near impossible. To still be one of the best players in the world in year 20 just doesnt happen. If you cant appreciate greatness that's a you problem.
 
Softening the NBA? It was way easier to win in the 80's and 90's than today. There were around 110 D1 colleges in the 80's there are now 350+ D1 programs. The NBA was 99%-93% American born in the 80 and 90's. Now its down to the low 70's. 3 of the top 5 players in the world are foreign. Jokic, Embiid, Giannis.
MJ got 6 expansion teams in 7 years and all the great dynasties of the 80's aged out. What Lebron has done is damn near impossible. To still be one of the best players in the world in year 20 just doesnt happen. If you cant appreciate greatness that's a you problem.
You clearly never watched the NBA in the 80's and 90's. YES, todays NBA is extremely soft. Back then there was no flopping. It's unbearable to watch a grown man get brushed and watch him slide half way down the court in dramatic fashion, pretending he is writhing in pain. YES absolutely soft.
 
Softening the NBA? It was way easier to win in the 80's and 90's than today. There were around 110 D1 colleges in the 80's there are now 350+ D1 programs. The NBA was 99%-93% American born in the 80 and 90's. Now its down to the low 70's. 3 of the top 5 players in the world are foreign. Jokic, Embiid, Giannis.
MJ got 6 expansion teams in 7 years and all the great dynasties of the 80's aged out. What Lebron has done is damn near impossible. To still be one of the best players in the world in year 20 just doesnt happen. If you cant appreciate greatness that's a you problem.
Lakers fan so I bend the knee to The King too but don’t ever confuse todays NBA to that of the 80’s and early 90’s. Your point on expansion is valid but it remains the same today. The NBA has too many teams.
 
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The old man just continues to amaze me. Year 20 and played damn near every minute and was the best player on the court. Almost a flawless performance when the Lakers needed him most. I dont think the Lakers can beat the Denver but man what a showman. 41 series wins to go to #1 all time. Taking out another defending champ. Give this man his flowers he has surpassed the unreal expectations heaped on him as a 16 year old... Mama there goes that man!
Mama there goes that man is and always will be Kobe Bryant. Don’t ever forget it.
 
Lakers fan so I bend the knee to The King too but don’t ever confuse todays NBA to that of the 80’s and early 90’s. Your point on expansion is valid but it remains the same today. The NBA has too many teams.
Except the world plays basketball now and it didnt in the 80s. All those great players that never were.

And players are more skilled and athletic now
 
Except the world plays basketball now and it didnt in the 80s. All those great players that never were.

And players are more skilled and athletic now
More skilled and athletic? Reggie Miller, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Karl Malone, and Hakeem Olajuwon would all disagree
 
You clearly never watched the NBA in the 80's and 90's. YES, todays NBA is extremely soft. Back then there was no flopping. It's unbearable to watch a grown man get brushed and watch him slide half way down the court in dramatic fashion, pretending he is writhing in pain. YES absolutely soft.
Agreed, the game is unwatchable. What’s considered a foul these days is outrageous, impossible to defend
 
Generational player---having said that I give them zero shot vs Denver.
I’m not sure he’s the best player from his generation. Steph Curry has a legit argument and has changed how the game is played dramatically.
 
I’m not sure he’s the best player from his generation. Steph Curry has a legit argument and has changed how the game is played dramatically.
Steph needed to add a top 10 alltime player to a 73 win team to beat LBJ. Warriors were 19-0 in Western Conf series until they met Lebron. Steph and the Warriors Dynasty are now 23-3 in the playoffs. Lebron gave them 2 of those L's. I think Steph is somewhere in the 9-15 range alltime, but he could never carry a team the way Lebron carried the Cavs back in the day.
 
Except the world plays basketball now and it didnt in the 80s. All those great players that never were.

And players are more skilled and athletic now
What’s happened in the NBA is similar to NFL. We went from a bruising, physically demanding sport to a spread offense track meet where 7ft guys play on the perimeter, the paint is empty and nobody can play defense because a whistle is being blown ever 3.3 seconds. I love hoops, played my whole life and it’s really hard to wrap my head around how the game is officiated. Contact is now deemed a foul. Is why you see a team like the Lakers score 125 points.
 
Steph needed to add a top 10 alltime player to a 73 win team to beat LBJ. Warriors were 19-0 in Western Conf series until they met Lebron. Steph and the Warriors Dynasty are now 23-3 in the playoffs. Lebron gave them 2 of those L's. I think Steph is somewhere in the 9-15 range alltime, but he could never carry a team the way Lebron carried the Cavs back in the day.
You mean Kyrie, Wade, Bosh, AD? Lebron has always looked for the super team. Kevin Durant is not Top ever 10 haha and was a bad fit. Curry built a dynasty and won 3/4 without KD.
 
More skilled and athletic? Reggie Miller, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Karl Malone, and Hakeem Olajuwon would all disagree
Hahaha. From top to bottom the players are much more skilled and athletic

The ball handling and shooting has gotten light years better

The world plays basketball now. International players have improved dramatically. Giannis, Luka, Embiid, Jokic and many others.

So much talent all over now compared to then
 
I’m not sure he’s the best player from his generation. Steph Curry has a legit argument and has changed how the game is played dramatically.
Are you high? Steph has zero argument. Less than zero
 
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You mean Kyrie, Wade, Bosh, AD? Lebron has always looked for the super team. Kevin Durant is not Top ever 10 haha and was a bad fit. Curry built a dynasty and won 3/4 without KD.
Kd is no lower than top 15. And he was a great fit. As good a fit as you can possobly have. And KD won the 2 finals mvps when he was there, not Curry. Curry won 2 without Durant but still had 2 HOFers with him

What an awful take
 
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What’s happened in the NBA is similar to NFL. We went from a bruising, physically demanding sport to a spread offense track meet where 7ft guys play on the perimeter, the paint is empty and nobody can play defense because a whistle is being blown ever 3.3 seconds. I love hoops, played my whole life and it’s really hard to wrap my head around how the game is officiated. Contact is now deemed a foul. Is why you see a team like the Lakers score 125 points.
It amazes me how people either lie or forget what 80's ball was actually like.
1988 Finals Det vs LA FT Attempts
Gm1 Det 17-22 LA 25-27
Gm2 Det 22-33 LA 35-46
Gm3 Det 10-12 LA 24-34
Gm4 Det 36-46 LA 28-37
Gm5 Det 28-33 LA 19-33
Gm6 Det 22-27 LA 35-43
Gm7 Det 25-35 LA 19-27
 
It amazes me how people either lie or forget what 80's ball was actually like.
1988 Finals Det vs LA FT Attempts
Gm1 Det 17-22 LA 25-27
Gm2 Det 22-33 LA 35-46
Gm3 Det 10-12 LA 24-34
Gm4 Det 36-46 LA 28-37
Gm5 Det 28-33 LA 19-33
Gm6 Det 22-27 LA 35-43
Gm7 Det 25-35 LA 19-27
That one series statistic in no way impacts the argument of what is a foul today, was not a foul 25 years ago, nor should it be. Must have been some actual fouls and physicality!
 
That one series statistic in no way impacts the argument of what is a foul today, was not a foul 25 years ago, nor should it be.
Magic talked about how he worked on his FT's because he became a superstar and knew he was gonna go to the the line more because of his status. You couldnt breathe wrong on MJ in the 90's. Since the 80's the NBA has always called "soft/superstar" fouls. It's part of the game. The 2 superstars that have been punished or not benefited from superstar/soft call because of their freak size has been Shaq and LBJ.
 
I was watching a little bit of the Lakers/Warriors, it was game three I believe, the six seed vs the seven seed. And the Lakers were cruising by like 20, 3rd quarter. And LeBron was in there, and there was a little stretch where he made like three plays in a row, and was being an impact player like the GOAT that he is....

But God damn, the only thing that stuck out to me was how mothereffin' old he looked. And he was just an old man out there, straight up. And his body language, and his face and the way he physically moved and played was like an old man.

So if he wants one more trophy in the trophy case, he better do it now, because the clock is clearly ticking. Which of course is perfectly fine, we all age, but I just hadn't looked or cared for a while and it really stood out....
 
The old man just continues to amaze me. Year 20 and played damn near every minute and was the best player on the court. Almost a flawless performance when the Lakers needed him most. I dont think the Lakers can beat the Denver but man what a showman. 41 series wins to go to #1 all time. Taking out another defending champ. Give this man his flowers he has surpassed the unreal expectations heaped on him as a 16 year old... Mama there goes that man!
He would spit on you if asked for his autograph.
 
That one series statistic in no way impacts the argument of what is a foul today, was not a foul 25 years ago, nor should it be. Must have been some actual fouls and physicality!
People need to go back and actually watch the 80s games. It wasnt football out there and it wasn't as physical as people make it out to be.

Guys also didnt lift weights so there was a lot of weaker looking players than there are now

Go back and watch.
 
People need to go back and actually watch the 80s games. It wasnt football out there and it wasn't as physical as people make it out to be.

Guys also didnt lift weights so there was a lot of weaker looking players than there are now

Go back and watch.
Oh I watched, parents had season tickets to the Jazz in their prime. It’s more about the way the game is officiated, if you’ve ever played ball you would never expect to get 75% of the calls that happen in the NBA today- they simply are not fouls.

And yes it was different back then, the game was played inside/out with dominant big men like Ewing, Shaq, Hakeem, Admiral, Malone. So a product of having a guy on the block was more physicality, the game is primarily played 20 feet from the basket now.
 
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Oh I watched, parents had season tickets to the Jazz in their prime. It’s more about the way the game is officiated, if you’ve ever played ball you would never expect to get 75% of the calls that happen in the NBA today- they simply are not fouls.

And yes it was different back then, the game was played inside/out with dominant big men like Ewing, Shaq, Hakeem, Admiral, Malone. So a product of having a guy on the block was more physicality, the game is primarily played 20 feet from the basket now.
Its always helpful to watch a game from the past and then watch it now. When you're in the moment you think it's the greatest thing you ever seen. But in 30 years from now the players will be better than they are today. It's life it's evolution

The game was more physical but not by the crazy margin you think it was. Guys weren't in the weight room like they are now. Refs just allowed players to get away with more.

Players are just way more skilled and athletic now
 
Oh I watched, parents had season tickets to the Jazz in their prime. It’s more about the way the game is officiated, if you’ve ever played ball you would never expect to get 75% of the calls that happen in the NBA today- they simply are not fouls.

And yes it was different back then, the game was played inside/out with dominant big men like Ewing, Shaq, Hakeem, Admiral, Malone. So a product of having a guy on the block was more physicality, the game is primarily played 20 feet from the basket now.
Had Lebron got to play in that era he would of been even more dominant than he is today. The NBA would have had to change the ISO and side pick n roll rules. Under those rules defenders would have been at a severe disadvantage. Help side defenders would have had been stuck at the 3 point line and couldnt go below the free throw line. Lebron would have been rven more deadly on offense.
 
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Its always helpful to watch a game from the past and then watch it now. When you're in the moment you think it's the greatest thing you ever seen. But in 30 years from now the players will be better than they are today. It's life it's evolution

The game was more physical but not by the crazy margin you think it was. Guys weren't in the weight room like they are now. Refs just allowed players to get away with more.

Players are just way more skilled and athletic now
I’ve never argued the skill level, simply the physicality and officiating. The game is much deeper too to bottom today, no doubt but the premier/Top 10-15 players in the league or highly comparable and I’d give the nod to the 90s starting 5 over todays.
 
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Had Lebron got to play in that era he would of been even more dominant than he is today. The NBA would have had to change the ISO and side pick n roll rules. Under those rules defenders would have been at a severe disadvantage. Help side defenders would have had been stuck at the 3 point line and couldnt go below the free throw line. Lebron would have been rven more deadly on offense.
crazy. Lebron is a great player, he's a HoFer for sure, but he would be less dominant in that era Rodman, would welcome him inside the paint. Lebron would be looking around in disbelief that a foul wasn't called. LeBron would be called for traveling 200x more than he is today. He wouldn't have the luxury of assembling a big 3 to win championships. I could go on and on.
 
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You're clueless. There is no debate. You take the original dream team and put them up against a dream team in todays era, and it wouldn't even be close. The original dream team would sweep a 7 game series.
Your out of your mind
 
crazy. Lebron is a great player, he's a HoFer for sure, but he would be less dominant in that era Rodman, would welcome him inside the paint. Lebron would be looking around in disbelief that a foul wasn't called. LeBron would be called for traveling 200x more than he is today. He wouldn't have the luxury of assembling a big 3 to win championships. I could go on and on.
That's funny
 
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