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Oh boy, you must be so excited! So what are you going to pack for your first big road game to Purdue? Better pack a sweater, it could get chilly!

I figured one autumn road trip to bumfck Indiana every other year would be more than enough for the average USC fan, but you guys are going to be up for that shit three, four or five times every year! And that's not even including the biennial jaunt to South Bend.

'Cause you in the Big Ten now, son! With the rest of them rednecks.....
Not a problem. I was born in Indiana and raised in Michigan. Many of us a looking forward to the travel. Much better than the visit to Moscow Idaho. Also not all SC fans live in California.
Wow, given that the Bishop of Vincennes as in Vincennes, INDIANA called on Father Sorin to start a Catholic college in Indiana you are fan of a redneck University. 😄
He is hard to understand. Michigan and Indiana schools are redneck? Did Notre Dame move or is it exempt because it is in cosmopolitan South Bend.
 
Not a problem. I was born in Indiana and raised in Michigan. Many of us a looking forward to the travel. Much better than the visit to Moscow Idaho. Also not all SC fans live in California.

He is hard to understand. Michigan and Indiana schools are redneck? Did Notre Dame move or is it exempt because it is in cosmopolitan South Bend.
From reading his posts I find it interesting and odd that he is a fan of Notre Dame. Indiana has some pretty fine universities for being a redneck state! 😉
 
Not a problem. I was born in Indiana and raised in Michigan. Many of us a looking forward to the travel. Much better than the visit to Moscow Idaho. Also not all SC fans live in California.

He is hard to understand. Michigan and Indiana schools are redneck? Did Notre Dame move or is it exempt because it is in cosmopolitan South Bend.
I think I'm pretty effin' easy to understand. I'm bummed out and pissed that USC/UCLA are jumping ship like a couple of little bitches, and ruining the PAC-10 for nothing. And apparently it's too much to ask for USC fans to stand by their conference. And you're going to join the sorry-ass Big Ten when you're already in a great league, and maybe if more USC fans stood up and were counted this shit never would have gotten off the ground. But not you, though. You just lay down for any old short-term fix your misguided AD or whoever the douchebags are calling the shots at USC....

And you're gonna hate it too. It's gonna suck. You might not hate it, I'm guessing your feelings don't run deep enough for anything like regret. Whatever you get in life you'll convince yourself you're fine with and better off for. But the rest of the USC fans are going to hate it. You guys should be playing Oregon, Oregon St., ASU, Utah, etc..... Instead you're going to be playing sorry-ass Purdue. And Michigan St. and Minnesota, and the rest of all of them cow colleges. Even though the Big Ten does have highly-rated state universities. Like that means shit for a football program.....
 
I think I'm pretty effin' easy to understand. I'm bummed out and pissed that USC/UCLA are jumping ship like a couple of little bitches, and ruining the PAC-10 for nothing. And apparently it's too much to ask for USC fans to stand by their conference. And you're going to join the sorry-ass Big Ten when you're already in a great league, and maybe if more USC fans stood up and were counted this shit never would have gotten off the ground. But not you, though. You just lay down for any old short-term fix your misguided AD or whoever the douchebags are calling the shots at USC....

And you're gonna hate it too. It's gonna suck. You might not hate it, I'm guessing your feelings don't run deep enough for anything like regret. Whatever you get in life you'll convince yourself you're fine with and better off for. But the rest of the USC fans are going to hate it. You guys should be playing Oregon, Oregon St., ASU, Utah, etc..... Instead you're going to be playing sorry-ass Purdue. And Michigan St. and Minnesota, and the rest of all of them cow colleges. Even though the Big Ten does have highly-rated state universities. Like that means shit for a football program.....
I didn't lie down for it, I fully support it. Trying to be part of a better league has been part of the discussion for years. The first attempt was to add Texas and Okie, but that failed. Maybe if all the SC fans stood up against it, the effort would have been blocked. The problem with that is most of the SC fans are delighted by it.

I hate to disagree with you, especially since you personally converse with all the cfb fans in America, but I think you are in a tiny minority if you think the Pac 12 is a better league than the BIG. Not sure how you are judging SC fans, but there is only one poster here acting like a little bitch.
 
I didn't lie down for it, I fully support it. Trying to be part of a better league has been part of the discussion for years. The first attempt was to add Texas and Okie, but that failed. Maybe if all the SC fans stood up against it, the effort would have been blocked. The problem with that is most of the SC fans are delighted by it.

I hate to disagree with you, especially since you personally converse with all the cfb fans in America, but I think you are in a tiny minority if you think the Pac 12 is a better league than the BIG. Not sure how you are judging SC fans, but there is only one poster here acting like a little bitch.
Do you think I would take your word for shit? I feel entirely confident USC fans are going to hate this. And this is in no way something that the USC fan nation has ever been pining for in any kind of numbers at all. I would submit at this point you're straight up lying. Mischaracterizing USC's position and situation so entirely that it's effectively a lie. There's been no building movement, no groundswell whatsoever for USC to leave the PAC-10 for greener pastures and join some other conference. Least of all for the sorry-ass Big Ten, which isn't even a lateral move, it's just a weird, inexplicable thing to do. And USC doesn't come off looking like some cool, hip team that does audacious shit and is ahead of the curve. No, you just like some broke-ass program that apparently needs the money that badly that you would do something this terrible.

I hope it hurts your recruiting and I think it's possible that it might. West coast kids very well might not want to be in the Big Ten, and that includes LA kids specifically. Maybe you're some born-and-raised Indiana dork, but kids from LA are not that, and they very much identify as being from the west coast. So hopefully you pay a price on the recruiting trail. Your current recruiting class sucks, and maybe it's a reflection of this impending move....
 
Do you think I would take your word for shit? I feel entirely confident USC fans are going to hate this. And this is in no way something that the USC fan nation has ever been pining for in any kind of numbers at all. I would submit at this point you're straight up lying. Mischaracterizing USC's position and situation so entirely that it's effectively a lie. There's been no building movement, no groundswell whatsoever for USC to leave the PAC-10 for greener pastures and join some other conference. Least of all for the sorry-ass Big Ten, which isn't even a lateral move, it's just a weird, inexplicable thing to do. And USC doesn't come off looking like some cool, hip team that does audacious shit and is ahead of the curve. No, you just like some broke-ass program that apparently needs the money that badly that you would do something this terrible.

I hope it hurts your recruiting and I think it's possible that it might. West coast kids very well might not want to be in the Big Ten, and that includes LA kids specifically. Maybe you're some born-and-raised Indiana dork, but kids from LA are not that, and they very much identify as being from the west coast. So hopefully you pay a price on the recruiting trail. Your current recruiting class sucks, and maybe it's a reflection of this impending move....
Why would I lie about that? Do you think I care about how you feel? There has rarely been as much excitement on the SC boards as the morning that is was announced we were moving to the BIG. I am sorry you spent what must have been a lot time time talking to every fan in cfb, but they misled you. There was even a fair amount of excitement today when the UCLA move was approved. Not only does someone we play every year stay in our league, but because the regents are charging then Calimony, we will be getting more money than them.
 
This move will last 3 Years max.there is another Hugh change coming to college football that will change it all. Will come from the courts, not the hapless ncaa
 
This move will last 3 Years max.there is another Hugh change coming to college football that will change it all. Will come from the courts, not the hapless ncaa
I think in three or four years there will by three major conferences.
 
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Not a problem. I was born in Indiana and raised in Michigan. Many of us are looking forward to the travel. Much better than the visit to Moscow Idaho. Also, not all SC fans live in California.

As to being excited, you are investing more emotion into the move than most SC fans I know.
Did Idaho move to the PAC 12?
 
Why would I lie about that? Do you think I care about how you feel? There has rarely been as much excitement on the SC boards as the morning that is was announced we were moving to the BIG. I am sorry you spent what must have been a lot time time talking to every fan in cfb, but they misled you. There was even a fair amount of excitement today when the UCLA move was approved. Not only does someone we play every year stay in our league, but because the regents are charging then Calimony, we will be getting more money than them.
gotta remember saavy has a very hard time dealing with opposition
he is personally offended when someone dares to disagree with him
He feels that person has no right to live beyond that point

I am sometimes amused at how someone can post so much and say nothing worth a rats rear end
 
Why would I lie about that? Do you think I care about how you feel? There has rarely been as much excitement on the SC boards as the morning that is was announced we were moving to the BIG. I am sorry you spent what must have been a lot time time talking to every fan in cfb, but they misled you. There was even a fair amount of excitement today when the UCLA move was approved. Not only does someone we play every year stay in our league, but because the regents are charging then Calimony, we will be getting more money than them.
Beach…Savvy is the only poster here that I have on ignore, so I’m left with only reading your responses to him. Still, informative and reinforces my decision to ignore. At any rate, good news today that UCLA has the blessing of the powerless regents to make the move, even with the Calimony you ascribe to the regents budget hostage taking. At any rate, given the history of USC vs UCLA rivalry, it’s good to know they have agreed to the ransom, and your rivalry with them will continue.

I don’t understand some of the posts in this thread suggesting that making this move for financial reasons is somehow a dishonorable reason. Still awaiting to see what ND ultimately negotiates with respect to its TV package, as our willingness and commitment to remaining an Independent is directly tied to how much money we will receive. Preliminary info a few months ago suggests ND will receive tens of millions less than we would if we joined the Big 10, but still a significant amount sufficient to justify the commitment to remaining independent. My hope is we remain independent, but see no reason to criticize the decision by USC and UCLA to join the Big 10, as money and competition will be significantly better.
 
Why would I lie about that? Do you think I care about how you feel? There has rarely been as much excitement on the SC boards as the morning that is was announced we were moving to the BIG. I am sorry you spent what must have been a lot time time talking to every fan in cfb, but they misled you. There was even a fair amount of excitement today when the UCLA move was approved. Not only does someone we play every year stay in our league, but because the regents are charging then Calimony, we will be getting more money than them.
Is this a serious question? Why would you lie, why do people lie? Because you want something that isn't true to be treated as true? I know most people on message boards expect, or at least hope that, their bullshit will be taken at face value, but come on now. Do you honestly think if we undertook a hugely thorough, ten-part documentary series on this USC/UCLA move to the Big Ten that what we'd come away with is the unequivocal impression, that virtually 100% of the USC fan nation, from soup to nuts, institutionally at the highest reaches, right down to the most clueless grassroots thugs, that they're all in favor of this move, that USC nation is united, unanimous, and they've been pushing for such a move for a long time. From the most influential donors and officers to random tailgating dipshits.....

F that. This was a desperate, stupid move green lighted by a few people, it caught all of the CFB world off guard including USC fans. And despite such obvious circumstances, you nevertheless insist on falsely spinning the whole business. Naturally someone like yourself will go along with just about anything, and with definite personal dishonesty, and we would expect nothing less from you, make it out like it's this great thing that everyone wanted and has been a long time in coming, even though that is distinctly not the case. That's what lickspittles do. They go along with everything, and happily lie about it to make themselves feel more secure. As far as the greater ramifications of catastrophic moves like this, that probably doesn't even register in your soul.

ND fans are pretty much just as bad as all that on most subjects. But I honestly think that rather than just be helpless conformist obedient doormats, when it comes down to our conference affiliation or lack thereof, that they would revolt, if our higher-ups tried to pull some shit like this. And good on them. What's so disappointing and even appalling, is that no decent USC fan would ever want anything to do with joining the Big Ten, for totally obvious reasons, in their heart of hearts. And only a truly sorry-ass fan would ever be like 'This is awesome! I WANT to join the Big Ten, I WANT to play Purdue and Minnesota, I want to have to travel to East Lansing, Michigan in early November to play in some random game.... ' Nobody thinks that or feel that. So why don't you cut the crap for once.....
 
Is this a serious question? Why would you lie, why do people lie? Because you want something that isn't true to be treated as true? I know most people on message boards expect, or at least hope that, their bullshit will be taken at face value, but come on now. Do you honestly think if we undertook a hugely thorough, ten-part documentary series on this USC/UCLA move to the Big Ten that what we'd come away with is the unequivocal impression, that virtually 100% of the USC fan nation, from soup to nuts, institutionally at the highest reaches, right down to the most clueless grassroots thugs, that they're all in favor of this move, that USC nation is united, unanimous, and they've been pushing for such a move for a long time. From the most influential donors and officers to random tailgating dipshits.....

F that. This was a desperate, stupid move green lighted by a few people, it caught all of the CFB world off guard including USC fans. And despite such obvious circumstances, you nevertheless insist on falsely spinning the whole business. Naturally someone like yourself will go along with just about anything, and with definite personal dishonesty, and we would expect nothing less from you, make it out like it's this great thing that everyone wanted and has been a long time in coming, even though that is distinctly not the case. That's what lickspittles do. They go along with everything, and happily lie about it to make themselves feel more secure. As far as the greater ramifications of catastrophic moves like this, that probably doesn't even register in your soul.

ND fans are pretty much just as bad as all that on most subjects. But I honestly think that rather than just be helpless conformist obedient doormats, when it comes down to our conference affiliation or lack thereof, that they would revolt, if our higher-ups tried to pull some shit like this. And good on them. What's so disappointing and even appalling, is that no decent USC fan would ever want anything to do with joining the Big Ten, for totally obvious reasons, in their heart of hearts. And only a truly sorry-ass fan would ever be like 'This is awesome! I WANT to join the Big Ten, I WANT to play Purdue and Minnesota, I want to have to travel to East Lansing, Michigan in early November to play in some random game.... ' Nobody thinks that or feel that. So why don't you cut the crap for once.....
I never claimed that everyone likes the move, just the people I know and the vast majority on the message boards I use. Someone would have to be a fool to claim to speak for everyone.
 
Beach…Savvy is the only poster here that I have on ignore, so I’m left with only reading your responses to him. Still, informative and reinforces my decision to ignore. At any rate, good news today that UCLA has the blessing of the powerless regents to make the move, even with the Calimony you ascribe to the regents budget hostage taking. At any rate, given the history of USC vs UCLA rivalry, it’s good to know they have agreed to the ransom, and your rivalry with them will continue.

I don’t understand some of the posts in this thread suggesting that making this move for financial reasons is somehow a dishonorable reason. Still awaiting to see what ND ultimately negotiates with respect to its TV package, as our willingness and commitment to remaining an Independent is directly tied to how much money we will receive. Preliminary info a few months ago suggests ND will receive tens of millions less than we would if we joined the Big 10, but still a significant amount sufficient to justify the commitment to remaining independent. My hope is we remain independent, but see no reason to criticize the decision by USC and UCLA to join the Big 10, as money and competition will be significantly better.
Dry true and there is no doubt the money was a huge part of the decision, although not the only part.
 
gotta remember saavy has a very hard time dealing with opposition
he is personally offended when someone dares to disagree with him
He feels that person has no right to live beyond that point

I am sometimes amused at how someone can post so much and say nothing worth a rats rear end
I remember
 
I never claimed that everyone likes the move, just the people I know and the vast majority on the message boards I use. Someone would have to be a fool to claim to speak for everyone.
Whatever. I think I've sized you up just about right. In any case, the damage is already done, and now the die is finally, irrevocably cast....

I would say it looks like you got your way, but I don't believe you even want this at all. And if I could be inside your little brain to know what you're actually thinking, and not merely the predictable pabulum you offer to this board, that you don't like it anymore than I do. But for some reason guys like you are always apt to make it out like it's what you wanted all along. Otherwise it makes you look like a loser, like nobody gives a shit what you think or what your preferences are. And you don't want that....

In any event, it sure would have been nice if USC fans like yourself could have pushed back, instead of limply hoisting themselves up onto the bandwagon....
 
Whatever. I think I've sized you up just about right. In any case, the damage is already done, and now the die is finally, irrevocably cast....

I would say it looks like you got your way, but I don't believe you even want this at all. And if I could be inside your little brain to know what you're actually thinking, and not merely the predictable pabulum you offer to this board, that you don't like it anymore than I do. But for some reason guys like you are always apt to make it out like it's what you wanted all along. Otherwise it makes you look like a loser, like nobody gives a shit what you think or what your preferences are. And you don't want that....

In any event, it sure would have been nice if USC fans like yourself could have pushed back, instead of limply hoisting themselves up onto the bandwagon....
I don’t know what to tell you. Like most SC fans I like the move, if you need to come up with some reason to believe I don’t based on your supposed knowledge of me that is fine if that is what you need.
 
I don’t know what to tell you. Like most SC fans I like the move, if you need to come up with some reason to believe I don’t based on your supposed knowledge of me that is fine if that is what you need.
The poster you are engaging with isn't all there.
 
The poster you are engaging with isn't all there.
LOL! Awesome. For a while, this USC fan was on your shit list. And you felt like he was someone you could be all hostile towards, and get your life-rage out on. I noticed that. But I will always be #1 on your little psycho hate list of posters you feel emboldened enough to F with. So if you have to choose, it'll always be me. Isn't that right, you little women's track coach? I just got sick and tired of this milk-toast USC fan having his little tea party over the disaster that is USC/UCLA joining the Big Ten.

But like everyone else on this board your personal animosities will always take precedence over any sociological convictions you may or may not feel strongly about....
 
LOL! Awesome. For a while, this USC fan was on your shit list. And you felt like he was someone you could be all hostile towards, and get your life-rage out on. I noticed that. But I will always be #1 on your little psycho hate list of posters you feel emboldened enough to F with. So if you have to choose, it'll always be me. Isn't that right, you little women's track coach? I just got sick and tired of this milk-toast USC fan having his little tea party over the disaster that is USC/UCLA joining the Big Ten.

But like everyone else on this board your personal animosities will always take precedence over any sociological convictions you may or may not feel strongly about....
This is another thing with disagree about. You think being courteous to another on a site is a character defect. I think being aggressive on an anonymous site is cowardly.
 
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This is another thing with disagree with. You think being courteous to another on a site is a character defect. I think being aggressive on an anonymous site is cowardly.
Well that's good to know, Mr. Milksop. Thank you for clarifying that. Anyway, I guess we're done arguing about this. You certainly know how I feel. I don't know if I can say the same for you. I wear my heart on my sleeve, while I consider you untrustworthy. Just in a general way, in terms of your opinions and judgements and observations. And you just say whatever you think is the right thing to say in a given situation, not what you actually think. One of those types. And you probably really don't think much of anything on any subject. You just calculate what you figure is the right opinion to have, and whatever that is becomes your 'opinion' by default.

You certainly don't speak for USC fans at large.
 
This is another thing with disagree about. You think being courteous to another on a site is a character defect. I think being aggressive on an anonymous site is cowardly.
I am not aggressive.

"Fight On..." is as far as I have chided you. Although I literally loathe and detest USC Football, I respect fandom.
 
Well that's good to know, Mr. Milksop. Thank you for clarifying that. Anyway, I guess we're done arguing about this. You certainly know how I feel. I don't know if I can say the same for you. I wear my heart on my sleeve, while I consider you untrustworthy. Just in a general way, in terms of your opinions and judgements and observations. And you just say whatever you think is the right thing to say in a given situation, not what you actually think. One of those types. And you probably really don't think much of anything on any subject. You just calculate what you figure is the right opinion to have, and whatever that is becomes your 'opinion' by default.

You certainly don't speak for USC fans at large.
You are right, I don't. Not do I claim to speak for all of CFB fans. But I certainly have a better handle on USC fans than you.
 
I am not aggressive.

"Fight On..." is as far as I have chided you. Although I literally loathe and detest USC Football, I respect fandom.
I wasn't writing about you, but rather savvy. Sorry about the confusion.
 
You are right, I don't. Not do I claim to speak for all of CFB fans. But I certainly have a better handle on USC fans than you.
Maybe. If you're being straight about it, and I'm suggesting that you're not. And that your characterizations of the pulse of the USC fan world are not accurate...

A pretty cursory glance on the internet at this subject, and what various journos have to say, there's no talk or buzz that USC is in love with this move. Quite the contrary. The only little snippet of info that I encountered that might be sympathetic to your take on this shitty, terrible move to the Big Ten by the PAC-10's two best institutions, is that USC wanted more money, and that the PAC-10 apparently insisted on an egalitarian divvying of the spoils, which I'm guessing is how most/all conferences do it, including the Big Ten... and USC was either too broke or too greedy to accept that, so they began to chafe, and then took the money like a bitch when the Big Ten came calling. Because they weren't granted first among equals treatment in the PAC-10.

Well, they got their thirty pieces of silver, like the turncoats they apparently are. And they are no longer going to be a part of what is definitely the coolest conference in big-time college sports, if not the very best. And instead they're going to be in the sorry-ass, homely Big Ten, in what I would consider to be a distinctively humiliating situation that they willingly put themselves in. And you're just tickled pink about the whole thing. You should be disgusted, but instead you're giddy.....
 
Maybe. If you're being straight about it, and I'm suggesting that you're not. And that your characterizations of the pulse of the USC fan world are not accurate...

A pretty cursory glance on the internet at this subject, and what various journos have to say, there's no talk or buzz that USC is in love with this move. Quite the contrary. The only little snippet of info that I encountered that might be sympathetic to your take on this shitty, terrible move to the Big Ten by the PAC-10's two best institutions, is that USC wanted more money, and that the PAC-10 apparently insisted on an egalitarian divvying of the spoils, which I'm guessing is how most/all conferences do it, including the Big Ten... and USC was either too broke or too greedy to accept that, so they began to chafe, and then took the money like a bitch when the Big Ten came calling. Because they weren't granted first among equals treatment in the PAC-10.

Well, they got their thirty pieces of silver, like the turncoats they apparently are. And they are no longer going to be a part of what is definitely the coolest conference in big-time college sports, if not the very best. And instead they're going to be in the sorry-ass, homely Big Ten, in what I would consider to be a distinctively humiliating situation that they willingly put themselves in. And you're just tickled pink about the whole thing. You should be disgusted, but instead you're giddy.....
SC had an agreement to stay with the PAC until 2024. During that time, it tried to improve the conference by bringing in Texas and Oklahoma. That failed. It then tried to get it value and arguing for a spilt of revenue based on value like the BIG used when Rutgers and Maryland first joined. That failed. It argued for better presentation than the pathetic Pac 12 network. That failed.

Then, tired of playing Friday night games and three games per year on the nobody watches Pac-12 network, SC decided that, at the end of its agreed commitment, it would move. It made the decision because it was in the best interest of the school. The same reason Rutgers, Maryland, Utah, Colorado, West Virginia, Cincinatti, Texas, Oklahoma and others moved. The same reason Notre Dame stays independent. It feels that it is in the best interest of Notre Dame to do so, in part because it doesn't have to split TV and bowl money with others. SC didn't break any commitment to anyone, it just decided to move once that commitment was up.

You keep posting these conclusions about how bad this is with no support, which is fine if that what you need to process it.
 
SC had an agreement to stay with the PAC until 2024. During that time, it tried to improve the conference by bringing in Texas and Oklahoma. That failed. It then tried to get it value and arguing for a spilt of revenue based on value like the BIG used when Rutgers and Maryland first joined. That failed. It argued for better presentation than the pathetic Pac 12 network. That failed.

Then, tired of playing Friday night games and three games per year on the nobody watches Pac-12 network, SC decided that, at the end of its agreed commitment, it would move. It made the decision because it was in the best interest of the school. The same reason Rutgers, Maryland, Utah, Colorado, West Virginia, Cincinatti, Texas, Oklahoma and others moved. The same reason Notre Dame stays independent. It feels that it is in the best interest of Notre Dame to do so, in part because it doesn't have to split TV and bowl money with others. SC didn't break any commitment to anyone, it just decided to move once that commitment was up.

You keep posting these conclusions about how bad this is with no support, which is fine if that what you need to process it.
Glutton for punishment. I do not read one word that poster writes. Same with 4-4-3.
 
I think I'm pretty effin' easy to understand. I'm bummed out and pissed that USC/UCLA are jumping ship like a couple of little bitches, and ruining the PAC-10 for nothing. And apparently it's too much to ask for USC fans to stand by their conference. And you're going to join the sorry-ass Big Ten when you're already in a great league, and maybe if more USC fans stood up and were counted this shit never would have gotten off the ground. But not you, though. You just lay down for any old short-term fix your misguided AD or whoever the douchebags are calling the shots at USC....

And you're gonna hate it too. It's gonna suck. You might not hate it, I'm guessing your feelings don't run deep enough for anything like regret. Whatever you get in life you'll convince yourself you're fine with and better off for. But the rest of the USC fans are going to hate it. You guys should be playing Oregon, Oregon St., ASU, Utah, etc..... Instead you're going to be playing sorry-ass Purdue. And Michigan St. and Minnesota, and the rest of all of them cow colleges. Even though the Big Ten does have highly-rated state universities. Like that means shit for a football program.....
I have to tell you that I was stunned to the point of disbelief when I was informed that USC and UCLA were abandoning the PAC 12 and going to the BIG.

I sympathize with your feelings, I’d be just as upset if I were an ardent USC or UCLA fan.

However, I wouldn’t disparage those BIG schools as you have.
By the way, Purdue’s engineering school is one of the best in the country.
 
SC had an agreement to stay with the PAC until 2024. During that time, it tried to improve the conference by bringing in Texas and Oklahoma. That failed. It then tried to get it value and arguing for a spilt of revenue based on value like the BIG used when Rutgers and Maryland first joined. That failed. It argued for better presentation than the pathetic Pac 12 network. That failed.

Then, tired of playing Friday night games and three games per year on the nobody watches Pac-12 network, SC decided that, at the end of its agreed commitment, it would move. It made the decision because it was in the best interest of the school. The same reason Rutgers, Maryland, Utah, Colorado, West Virginia, Cincinatti, Texas, Oklahoma and others moved. The same reason Notre Dame stays independent. It feels that it is in the best interest of Notre Dame to do so, in part because it doesn't have to split TV and bowl money with others. SC didn't break any commitment to anyone, it just decided to move once that commitment was up.

You keep posting these conclusions about how bad this is with no support, which is fine if that what you need to process it.
Very well written and spot on. The PAC 12 leadership failed to realize that its' biggest football program was a private university and as such, always had options that state schools wouldn't have. No other power 5 conference has that dynamic. UCLA tagging along with USC is good news for the Big Ten has it totally locks up the LA market, but USC would have done the move without UCLA.

But the move by USC has attracted attention from other interested parties. Now we see today that the NLRB wants to have USC athletes treated as employees. Ironically, the NLRB has no jurisdiction over public state universities, but they do over USC. We have been through this before with Northwestern, but the NLRB backed off then because Northwestern is in a conference with state universities and the NLRB couldn't mandate a conference wide rule. Now because of the NCAA sanctioned NIL, the NLRB will start with private USC but think they can expand their reach this time to all universities.

The Big Ten and the SEC are spending a lot of time getting ready for a "pay for play" system...not that they want it...but they are prepping for all possibilities.
 
Very well written and spot on. The PAC 12 leadership failed to realize that its' biggest football program was a private university and as such, always had options that state schools wouldn't have. No other power 5 conference has that dynamic. UCLA tagging along with USC is good news for the Big Ten has it totally locks up the LA market, but USC would have done the move without UCLA.

But the move by USC has attracted attention from other interested parties. Now we see today that the NLRB wants to have USC athletes treated as employees. Ironically, the NLRB has no jurisdiction over public state universities, but they do over USC. We have been through this before with Northwestern, but the NLRB backed off then because Northwestern is in a conference with state universities and the NLRB couldn't mandate a conference wide rule. Now because of the NCAA sanctioned NIL, the NLRB will start with private USC but think they can expand their reach this time to all universities.

The Big Ten and the SEC are spending a lot of time getting ready for a "pay for play" system...not that they want it...but they are prepping for all possibilities.
Classic, the typical meathead pseudo-intellectual CFB fan would sell his own children into slavery if it made good business sense. And then come onto message boards pat each other on the back over it. How prudent you're being....

I think it's a tough choice sometimes for you guys. You like tradition and you cherish it, or at least you claim to, I don't know how true that actually is in practice. But you like the idea of it, and you like to take credit for it, and you figure it makes you look like a swell guy. But you will absolutely trash and destroy settled society whenever it suits you and completely sell it down the river. And for effin' nothing. For some short-term hallucination. But the truth is it's for no other reason than you're a reactionary yes-man personality type. You're not shrewd, you don't have any good insight. You just go along with whatever the corporate alphas are doing, however stupid, destructive and unnecessary it may be....

Football fans used to live vicariously through the players. And fantasize that they were Tom Brady or Joe Montana. But not anymore, now everything thinks they're effin' Al Davis or something.....
 
USC’s tradition of playing teams from the BIG goes back in its beginning. For example SC played Penn State in 1922 whereas Arizona State and Arizone didn’t join the Pac until 1978 and Utah and Colorado in 2010. The Pac itself has gone through many changes. It used to include Idaho and Montana and disbanded complexly in the late 1950s. USC will continue to play its traditional opponents, UCLA, Stranford and Notre Dame. Other games will fall away, but that's ok. SC's annual games used to include Pomona Pitzer.
 
I look forward to watching PAC12 Champion Utah in the Rose Bowl.
 
USC’s tradition of playing teams from the BIG goes back in its beginning. For example SC played Penn State in 1922 whereas Arizona State and Arizone didn’t join the Pac until 1978 and Utah and Colorado in 2010. The Pac itself has gone through many changes. It used to include Idaho and Montana and disbanded complexly in the late 1950s. USC will continue to play its traditional opponents, UCLA, Stranford and Notre Dame. Other games will fall away, but that's ok. SC's annual games used to include Pomona Pitzer.
I'm beginning to think that you're a troll. You're the same person as sjb. Your blatant milk toast routine is a little much, just like old boy's. And this post in particular that I'm responding to could have been written by the reviled sjb.

So that's kind of where I'm leaning. And if true, wow.....
 
I'm beginning to think that you're a troll. You're the same person as sjb. Your blatant milk toast routine is a little much, just like old boy's. And this post in particular that I'm responding to could have been written by the reviled sjb.

So that's kind of where I'm leaning. And if true, wow.....
Go with that. What you call milk toast is simply not reacting to someone whose opinions make no sense and who you don't care about. Your posts are entertaining and a little sad, but not upsetting.

You might want to consider why someone who disagrees with you makes you insult them and make up conspiracy theories.
 
Go with that. What you call milk toast is simply not reacting to someone whose opinions make no sense and who you don't care about. Your posts are entertaining and a little sad, but not upsetting.

You might want to consider why someone who disagrees with you makes you insult them and make up conspiracy theories.
Well I don't want to believe something that isn't true. So if you're not, then you're not. But how would I ever know for sure? I guess that's the dilemma. I can say that in your latest utterly vapid post, you came off like a complete dead ringer for one of this board's most pitiful sad sacks. Which I guess could be simple coincidence.

But how do you explain that you're both from California, more coincidence? And that dude goes off about the PAC-10 constantly. You can certainly understand how one might think that. This place definitely has trolls and dudes that have more than one alias and post regularly under both names, and talk to each other. Even though it's the same guy. Pretty creepy, huh....

Anyway, after having this long exchange and getting a chance to really see your posts in extended action, I'm inclined to think that you're the same person as sjb, I just am. Or at least consider the possibility. And that's not what anyone wants to be.
 
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