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Notre Dame offense STRUGGLES during spring football practice No. 6

Hell effin' yeah! And quite frankly I would not be surprised if this new shitty OC was something of a disaster. And that is not an unreasonable, if also tentative take to hold with, all things considered. It was a big disappointment hiring the guy, and combine that with the less-than-glowing, fair-to-middling early returns from spring practice, and I'm just not being that negative in pushing back a little on all this, shall we say, overweening confidence, and the invoking of the most threadbare excuses for these lousy practice reports, by insisting it's surely on account of how awesome the defense must be playing....

It feels very forced. Which I'm sure it is.
Gosh if only we had your bff BK back! Is he your daddy or your secret admirer?
 
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Before everyone gets into a tizzy, don't read too much into it -- these guys goes against each other daily -- the defense has its good days, as does the offense.

If the offense had simply moved the ball up and down the field, then the article would have been about how the defense could not stop the offense and people would be going batshit crazy about how the defense will be in the fall.
Except reports are the offense was confused with lining up, plays, formations, reads, etc etc and the offensive coaches were irate.

I’m not concerned about the defense being ahead. I’m more concerned on what I have heard was total confusion by the offense and coaches.
 
Except reports are the offense was confused with lining up, plays, formations, reads, etc etc and the offensive coaches were irate.

I’m not concerned about the defense being ahead. I’m more concerned on what I have heard was total confusion by the offense and coaches.
I didn't hear that from any report

Heard the defense won and the offense was off. Some drops and QBs accuracy was a little off

But that was to be expected as Defense was working on blitz packages and blitzed on every snap
 
I didn't hear that from any report

Heard the defense won and the offense was off. Some drops and QBs accuracy was a little off

But that was to be expected as Defense was working on blitz packages and blitzed on every snap
Agree. Can you cite some sources because from what I heard outside of early enrollees being a little confused (understandable) the offensive practices has been a breath of fresh air and running very well.

The only negatives are from early scrimmages which again always favors the defense.
 
Well at least we're going to have a more explicitly run-first offense, and we know how much fans have been pining for that. That's what it would seem like at least with Wisky's former OL coach, and MF's stated naive preference for such a style as it would appear to play to our strengths at recruiting OL. So that's a dream come true for many fans. We'll see if it actually works....
 
Well at least we're going to have a more explicitly run-first offense, and we know how much fans have been pining for that. That's what it would seem like at least with Wisky's former OL coach, and MF's stated naive preference for such a style as it would appear to play to our strengths at recruiting OL. So that's a dream come true for many fans. We'll see if it actually works....
just watching you go postal if it does would make my millenium.
 
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I didn't hear that from any report

Heard the defense won and the offense was off. Some drops and QBs accuracy was a little off

But that was to be expected as Defense was working on blitz packages and blitzed on every snap
Read write up from a non reporter that the offense was in total disarray and offensive coaches were not pleased and letting that be known. Drops and some oline struggles reported as well.
 
Agree. Can you cite some sources because from what I heard outside of early enrollees being a little confused (understandable) the offensive practices has been a breath of fresh air and running very well.

The only negatives are from early scrimmages which again always favors the defense.
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Overall, some of the other pay sites pretty much hit the nail on the head in regards to the offense. To say that the offense had a bad day is an understatement. It was VERY apparent that this staff is still trying to learn how to operate with each other. I thought they looked very confused at times and unorganized, especially when they were going live. What worries me the most in this is that the frustration of the coaches was very visible. I get it, a new system per say will take time to implement, but to see so much confusion, especially from the main guy in charge, really was disheartening to me. Not that my opinion matters, but I went into it skeptical about the OC hire and I left convinced my skepticism was spot on unfortunately. I'll get into that a bit more later, but I'd rather dig into the position group breakdowns.

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Offense:
Overall, some of the other pay sites pretty much hit the nail on the head in regards to the offense. To say that the offense had a bad day is an understatement. It was VERY apparent that this staff is still trying to learn how to operate with each other. I thought they looked very confused at times and unorganized, especially when they were going live. What worries me the most in this is that the frustration of the coaches was very visible. I get it, a new system per say will take time to implement, but to see so much confusion, especially from the main guy in charge, really was disheartening to me. Not that my opinion matters, but I went into it skeptical about the OC hire and I left convinced my skepticism was spot on unfortunately. I'll get into that a bit more later, but I'd rather dig into the position group breakdowns.

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Who wrote it though. There are known positive reporters and known negative nancies. Most of the time this is just to get clicks.
 
Who wrote it though. There are known positive reporters and known negative nancies. Most of the time this is just to get clicks.
Not a reporter. Respected board member that was in attendance.
 
You were there?

Reporters aren’t going to say “OC looked disorganized and confused and frustrated, what a questionable hire” even if they believe it.
Yeah certain ones would if it was that bad. It wasn't. No one was surprised the offense struggled with the defense blitzing every play this early in spring. If the defense was getting shredded, everyone would be concerned then

Like I said, yikes that all ya got?
 
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It's not totally normal for anything to happen. Other than for you to spin in complete effin' total ignorance of whatever the reality is, good or bad, that things are going to be good. Which is the latest morbid psychological tangent you goons are current riding. Obviously there would be questions about the offense with a new QB from a different system and shitty low-rent OC, which is a totally fair way to describe Parker or whatever his name is. Maybe we'll be great, maybe we won't. Obviously that's a given. But a third or fourth tier new OC like this Parker would definitely give a regular observer pause to think that maybe we might suck. Or struggle or not be that great. And that would be a completely normal to thing to wonder about, especially if the offense wasn't that great out of the gate.....

So I wouldn't call you guys delusional as such, but unreasonably and rigidly optimistic about everything.....
How is the hand cream business going?
 
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Except reports are the offense was confused with lining up, plays, formations, reads, etc etc and the offensive coaches were irate.

I’m not concerned about the defense being ahead. I’m more concerned on what I have heard was total confusion by the offense and coaches.
Can you share those reports?
 
Yeah certain ones would if it was that bad. It wasn't. No one was surprised the offense struggled with the defense blitzing every play this early in spring. If the defense was getting shredded, everyone would be concerned then

Like I said, yikes that all ya got?
I wish I had way less
 
Hell effin' yeah! And quite frankly I would not be surprised if this new shitty OC was something of a disaster. And that is not an unreasonable, if also tentative take to hold with, all things considered. It was a big disappointment hiring the guy, and combine that with the less-than-glowing, fair-to-middling early returns from spring practice, and I'm just not being that negative in pushing back a little on all this, shall we say, overweening confidence, and the invoking of the most threadbare excuses for these lousy practice reports, by insisting it's surely on account of how awesome the defense must be playing....

It feels very forced. Which I'm sure it is.
I take your point.

But as for me, I’m not sure of ANYTHING. Because experience has taught me that until the thing HAPPENS, multiple outcomes are possible.

In this case, I see much of the sentiment you cite as a carryover from MARCUS FREEMAN FEVER. To many, Freeman MUST BE THE GUY; this, his second year, MUST BE THE YEAR; and whoever the coaches are – regardless of how good or not they appear from the outside – THEY MUST BE THE ONES.

And I’m using the word MUST not as the only possibility left – other possibilities having been eliminated – but as THE THING ORDAINED.

THAT SAID, if it all proves out to the good – FOR WHATEVER REASON – so be it. And we ALL WIN.

But when most of the passengers move to one side of the boat, largely because they WANT THAT TO BE THE RIGHT SIDE, my first reaction is to question the BIAS that involves, not to mention the accompanying disregard for the LAWS OF PROBABILITY.

NOTHING IS WRITTEN.

One of the things I look for when seeing film is TEAM BODY LANGUAGE. To me, so far, I see something of a difference from last year. Nothing has crystallized in my mind yet, but I hope I get to see more.

One thing I’ll always remember about Holtz taking over from Faust – the on-field body language in the UM opener was TOTALLY DIFFERENT. And it stayed that way the entire year.

In other words, something had CHANGED.

Yes, NOTHING IS WRITTEN, but, sometimes, there are TELLS.
 
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You tell me. I’ll take an unbiased no agenda report over reporter ensuring they don’t lose their access to the team
If there was any and I mean any corresponding reports than maybe, but there isn't a single one that I can see.

This wasn't the first practice, it was just the first in front of the media. Believing an outlier report is very suspect.
 
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You tell me. I’ll take an unbiased no agenda report over reporter ensuring they don’t lose their access to the team
That's like saying you'd take sassys opinion if he was at practice.

No thanks. I'll take the people from over 4 different sites that actually have attended spring practices and fall practices and cover the sport
 
That's like saying you'd take sassys opinion if he was at practice.

No thanks. I'll take the people from over 4 different sites that actually have attended spring practices and fall practices and cover the sport
I will however say that I do believe that the sites were overly optimistic last year. So I am a little more cautious this year in believing the hype.

The only concerns I have for spring are:

-Keeping Buchner engaged and locked in.
-developing the best two deep at wr we can
-solidifying the ol depth chart

On defense I. Much more concerned

-get the dl to perform at higher level and get some beef inside
-competition at linebacker. Best guys have to play
-setting the safety depth chart

Post spring there will be transfers. Making sure we are losing guys that are passed over or not performing vs losing top guys due to pt is paramount.
I don't really care about any other fugazi
 
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Also the losingest coach in ND history....
Determining the “winningest” and “losingest”coach is purely a function of the “number” of games coached.

No one with an objective brain classifies BK as the “losingest” coach in ND history.

W/L percentage tends to provide a better perspective when evaluating a coaches record
 
FYI, John Huarte was mediocre in practice …….. How’d he do once the game whistle blew ?
 
Well at least we're going to have a more explicitly run-first offense, and we know how much fans have been pining for that. That's what it would seem like at least with Wisky's former OL coach, and MF's stated naive preference for such a style as it would appear to play to our strengths at recruiting OL. So that's a dream come true for many fans. We'll see if it actually works....
At least we won't be passing during a monsoon
 
Determining the “winningest” and “losingest”coach is purely a function of the “number” of games coached.

No one with an objective brain classifies BK as the “losingest” coach in ND history.

W/L percentage tends to provide a better perspective when evaluating a coaches record
No one with an objective brain classifues him as the winningest coach either
 
Well at least we're going to have a more explicitly run-first offense, and we know how much fans have been pining for that. That's what it would seem like at least with Wisky's former OL coach, and MF's stated naive preference for such a style as it would appear to play to our strengths at recruiting OL. So that's a dream come true for many fans. We'll see if it actually works....
Do I sense a positive spin here?????
 
Do I sense a positive spin here?????
Not at all. I couldn't be more disappointed and unimpressed, with MF, if that indeed really is what he has in mind, and is perhaps why he was happy to handpick his sixth-rate legit crony OC, mainly because it comes with the advantage of being able to dictate to him exactly what he wants him to do, that being having a very deliberate run-first power-running game offense.... and that being because MF is so, unsophisticated shall we say, in his thinking, that he would actually do something like that when suddenly given executive power over a powerhouse football program. And hired really more for superficial reasons, and not because he's some obvious badass coach who's flat out earned his position through undeniable, compelling competence and ability and talent and acumen....

Or maybe it will work brilliantly and be a stroke of genius. And of course I have no idea if that's what MF actually has in mind or not. But if he does, and of course there is some reason to think he very well might have that in mind, then I don't even know what to say. Other than that, if I were in his position that's not what I would do, and most/many/all other coaches wouldn't either. Mainly because they would consider it a dubious philosophy to embrace, and they just wouldn't go down that road. And that's why nobody does it anymore, because it's just not the thing to do, for any number of reasons....

ND fans long for a smash-mouth offensive philosophy for emotional reasons, and it has nothing at all to do with football. And MF absolutely strikes me as someone very possibly insecure enough, as well as potentially incompetent enough, that he would be nevertheless willing to embrace an entire offensive philosophy and approach, firstly to please the fans, and be able to check that box.... and then frankly because he really doesn't know what else to do, and has no particular convictions regarding offensive football. And at the end of the day you have to make a choice and so this is what he's choosing. The clock is ticking and times waits for no man. It worked for Wisky so maybe it could work for us. And there's no greater insight or confidence or conviction in it than that......
 
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