Notre Dame offense STRUGGLES during spring football practice No. 6
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Before everyone gets into a tizzy, don't read too much into it -- these guys goes against each other daily -- the defense has its good days, as does the offense.
If the offense had simply moved the ball up and down the field, then the article would have been about how the defense could not stop the offense and people would be going batshit crazy about how the defense will be in the fall.
If the offense had simply moved the ball up and down the field, then the article would have been about how the defense could not stop the offense and people would be going batshit crazy about how the defense will be in the fall.
You're a Walmart poster.....
Which is why I have that poster on ignore -- his/her stupidity is off the charts.
It's totally normal for the offense to struggle for the first few practices against the defense. It usually takes a few run throughs for the offense to start clicking. It's just normal for the defense to be up to speed faster.
It's not totally normal for anything to happen. Other than for you to spin in complete effin' total ignorance of whatever the reality is, good or bad, that things are going to be good. Which is the latest morbid psychological tangent you goons are current riding. Obviously there would be questions about the offense with a new QB from a different system and shitty low-rent OC, which is a totally fair way to describe Parker or whatever his name is. Maybe we'll be great, maybe we won't. Obviously that's a given. But a third or fourth tier new OC like this Parker would definitely give a regular observer pause to think that maybe we might suck. Or struggle or not be that great. And that would be a completely normal to thing to wonder about, especially if the offense wasn't that great out of the gate.....
So I wouldn't call you guys delusional as such, but unreasonably and rigidly optimistic about everything.....
What does that mean? You mean the post I responded to annoyed me? I guess you got me there.
Please don't take this post to mean that I ever want to speak with you. You're still blocked, but sometimes your responses to me still show up for some reason. Like there's a two minute delay or something before they vanish from sight.....
All the Walmart posters creating solid posts at a decent price?
My posts are free and some say you will get what you pay for.
My posts are free and some say you will get what you pay for.
Love your posts but I chuckled at the first sentence of your paragraph matched up against the last sentence of the paragraph. Either it's not totally normal for anything to happen, or, it's a completely normal thing to wonder about. Both can't be true, and neither are savy or sassy.
I don't think so. My first comment was in reference to the stupid and largely baseless assurances on offer that there's nothing to see here, everything's fine, and any/all the possible signs that our situation might suck are nothing to worry or wonder about. And of course I feel that is absurd, or at a minimum it's unnecessary to be so dismissive under the circumstances, and it's entirely possible and reasonable that we might suck. And any fan might well wonder if we're going to suck on offense, especially if the early reports emanating from old boy's first spring practices as OC are not good as they apparently aren't. Which is all I'm saying.
So there's no conflict or contradiction within my little complaint, and so why would you say something so foolish?
quite often offenses struggle when you have new components; especially a new QB and a NEW OC
Anyone really surprised at this is a football moron.
Anyone really surprised at this is a football moron.
Again... Way to show your ass.
Yeah it's normal. Every year the defense starts ahead. If the defense is still winning all the time at the end of spring that's a different story.
Just to expound on this horrible take...by a poster that generally find nothing positive about Notre Dame...
If the offense came out and shredded the defense...this poster would be bitching about al golden.
The fact is, the defensive players generally know where to be, what to do, and how to do it....at the first practice vs the offense. Basically they man up, sprint to the ball, and pressure. It's pretty damn easy to do while you spend spring on technical details and nuance.
The offense meanwhile for the first time has to deal with... Holes that don't open, wrs being knocked off their routes or redirected, pressure pickups, rbs have to block, qbs get hands in their face. The only way to dial this in is with reps. It takes time.
This happens to EVERY SINGLE FOOTBALL TEAM IN Existence at the beginning of spring ball. NONE of this has anything to do with the OC at the time. If Tommy were still here the same thing would happen.
It's exceedingly rare, and usually a very bad sign for the defense to have issues early in spring.
unless the D has been decimated by graduation/injury they will be ahead of an offense that is working on a new QB and new OC
Now now, you've been around long enough to know that there is a small segment of posters here who are completely immune to logic.
Yup, you got it.
Anyway, the strained, forced, not particularly appertaining post-BK optimism will proceed apace regardless of circumstances. It's definitely effin' annoying. All that smug attitude. Irrespective of the actual conditions on the ground such as they are trickling out.....
"Anyway, the strained, forced, not particularly appertaining post-BK optimism will proceed apace regardless of circumstances. It's definitely effin' annoying."
You know, you do have options -- you can simply scroll past and not read, but, then again, your overly negative attitude and outlook is a nice counter-balance here. Or, you can simply leave -- I seriously doubt anyone would care.
when you look at how often he posts and how many words (without saying anything) he puts in each post one must conclude he has no life except for this board.
It’s a good point you raise regarding those with a “rigidly optimistic” take. Unfortunately, it comes with the territory.
Some can only operate as PARTISANS, particularly when it involves rooting for a sports team. And if that team happens to be ND, the LOYALTY factor is as HIGH as it gets.
ND is not a football team so much as a SACRED COW. And to move forcefully against it in any way simply RILES certain people. Even to the point of their being offended as though SACRILEGE were occurring.
All of which can be frustrating for those who prefer a more ANALYTICAL view rooted in a CONSISTENT FACT BASE. But to those YEARNING for a certain outcome, there’s always that tendency to COLOR things and then, if things don’t go as planned, declare LOYALTY the better part of LOGIC.
The orthodox Jews near me in Williamsburg are still waiting for their Messiah and as I’ve often argued, so are the ND FAITHFUL.
I support ND, but I don’t WORSHIP it. This year’s team appears talented and may indeed do very well. OR IT MAY NOT. Brennan had decent talent, Faust had 3 number one ranked recruiting classes, but in both cases, something DIDN’T JELL. Whereas with Ara and Holtz, it ALL CAME TOGETHER.
People often talk about NEW NORMALS, but I question, like you, the possibility of NO NORMALS. Yes, there are benchmarks, but they’re fluid and so saturated by exceptions that you have to be extremely careful about GENERALIZING.
Over the years, I’ve followed a number of teams, and when those teams have TANKED, it’s been okay to say so without having to worry, for example, about not HYPOTHESIZING IMMINENT RESURRECTIONS when reality said otherwise.
Yet, for many who follow ND, that’s simply UNACCEPTABLE which is why I try to stay clear of the kind of PARTISAN slugfests such POLITICAL INCORRECTNESS triggers. Because, frankly, the resulting PUSHBACK often involves far more than football – reaching deep into alumni loyalty, questions of ND's intrinsic moral and ethical role, and even Catholicism.
I’m not rooting for an INSIDER’S CLUB, CREED or MORAL PHILOSOPHY but merely for a FOOTBALL TEAM. For me, that’s PLENTY. No need to GLOAT, GLORIFY or SET THE WORLD STRAIGHT.
I was a D player in college and from MY OWN EXPERIENCE, your analysis strikes me as largely on point.
I'm not overly negative at all. I don't know what's going to happen. I thought the hire of old boy as OC sucked. And so far the practice reports aren't the greatest, which is something to take note of. It's nothing more than that.
You guys, on the other hand, it's palpable how defiantly positive you want to be about everything. And just as palpably smug as well, for some reason you like to swagger around about how not worried you are about anything. Which is fine, I suppose, but it is annoying. Not to bring up BK yet again, but I don't remember him too often being on the receiving end of such similarly breezy confidence, even though we were making the playoff every other year. So you can see how that would be a little irritating....
In line with my previous comments here, the STRAINED, FORCED OPTIMISM you refer to – in so far as it applies as not everyone feels it – is reflective of the need of many for a HEROIC/MESSIANIC solution to the problem of ND’s ongoing failure to take back football’s JERUSALEM from the INFIDEL SEC et al.
To that end, Marcus Freeman has been cast as Richard the Lionhearted.
What’s involved here is not only a BELIEF SYSTEM but also the thing it’s based on – DISPLACED EMOTIONAL NEED of the most PRIMITIVE SORT.
Yet, it’s an UTTERLY HUMAN RESPONSE in that it casts competition as a battle between GOOD and EVIL. After all, when things get HEATED ENOUGH, we do start KILLING ONE ANOTHER.
From 20 to 40, I was ALL ON BOARD WITH THAT (though not the killing). When Holtz got pushed out, I was almost 50 and had started to SEE THROUGH IT. Ever since, though still a supporter, I’ve approached ND football more as either a) an analyst at-large or b) a THEATER PATRON WATCHING A DRAMA.
To me, the OUTCOME is no longer as COMPELLINGLY IMPORTANT as the ACTION CONTAINED IN THE PLAY. And for me, that now largely CENTERS on how ND tries to SPIN ITSELF. And by extension, anyone else who assumes that MANTLE.
We ALL KNOW there’s a GAME BEYOND THE GAME going on here. And to me, that UBER-GAME is a lot more INTERESTING.
I would notice, and I would mind.
He's extremely intelligent, has a terrific POSTMODERN writing style and has a kind of ASYMMETRICAL approach to whatever he tackles. Do I agree down the line with everything he writes? No. But do I think he makes a hell of a lot more sense than not? INDUBITABLY.
On a board lke this, the key ingredient is DIVERSITY OF OPINION. And that's what he gives you. It's a PLUS, as I see it, NOT A MINUS.
After all, how many CAT-FIGHTS over who the starting QB should be can one be expected to take? It can be BORING and a total NON-STARTER.
For someone to broach the subject of the COMPULSIVELY OPTIMISTIC ND FAN is both a breath of fresh air and a REALITY INPUT.
Hell effin' yeah! And quite frankly I would not be surprised if this new shitty OC was something of a disaster. And that is not an unreasonable, if also tentative take to hold with, all things considered. It was a big disappointment hiring the guy, and combine that with the less-than-glowing, fair-to-middling early returns from spring practice, and I'm just not being that negative in pushing back a little on all this, shall we say, overweening confidence, and the invoking of the most threadbare excuses for these lousy practice reports, by insisting it's surely on account of how awesome the defense must be playing....
It feels very forced. Which I'm sure it is.
No one cares what you think
As Chou En Lai was rumored to say in 1972 when he was asked about the impact of the French Revolution,
“It’s too early to tell.“
