No short ydg package .... duh!

[cgvr]

Those numbers are fine against middle of the road to lower tier teams, but it will be hard to put those numbers up against very good teams

Red zone offense which was a big problem in the past though it seems to be getting a little better but it's hard to judge how good until you go up against a top-notch opponent

I understand coach Kelly's philosophy of no full backs allowed, but at some point he might want to consider it don't you think?

We can't control the line of scrimmage on either side of the ball.
Plus, this is against crap competition to date... It's miserable.

 

[zonairish]

We can't control the line of scrimmage on either side of the ball.
Plus, this is against crap competition to date... It's miserable.

Right now I do not see the Irish beating Stanford, Miami or USC. I believe our best chance out of those three is against Stanford. Just say we beat NC ST. We become 3-3. Can our D stop the Stanford? Then we have a bye week to prepare for navy and army. I could see us losing one of those games. Our next best chance of winning a game is VA tech. Potentially a miserable season. we could have a 4-8 record. I hope not. I hope porky gets his act together.

 

[zonairish]

hey cvgr, Will Kelly survive in a 4-8 to 6-6 record scenario

 

[cavanaugh208]

Keep up the good work. You are doing God's bidding

Will do...I find it remarkable in my short time on this site how many posters truly dislike this guy...I mean...it's easy to see why.

 

[cgvr]

hey cvgr, Will Kelly survive in a 4-8 to 6-6 record scenario

The closest guarantee is he will survive this season. He's under the "brightest lights" and a "high powered" microscope right now. (He's admitted as such.) Thin ice....
imo If he goes ballistic on the sidelines, continues to embarrass the school and gets no results.... it won't be pretty....

 

[Buguit]

Hey numbnut...how about posting that thread where IIO says he agrees with you? I am sure you have it posted on your basement wall next to your Barney poster. We all know that you are a certified liar so I for one would like to see the thread....and BTW...how does someone "vehemently" agree with someone on a message board? Did IIO actually use your name? Cuz, just because he said something that you like doesn't mean he doesn't know you are freaking moron...and as far as family emergencies...I believe that was some dude named Seahawkfan...I ain't him...

You want the whole thread? ... the whole Post? .... I can do that just like the South Bend Tribune article where Eric Atkins and Jerrian Grant tell you that they call all the plays ... LOL! .... and if you knew the defintion of 'vehemently" you wouldn't have to ask ..... Seahawks fan? .... like we suddenly expect any truth .... let's ask Bodi

Why don't you try and tell us how a short ydg package would be bad ..... is that crickets? .... oh no .... just a bunch of swearing .... LOL!

 

[Buguit]

Keep up the good work. You are doing God's bidding

Latching on to the profane is the sincerest act of desperation .... i guess it beats the alternative of trying to actually have a point .... God's bidding? .... swearing .... anal/phallic references are God's bidding? ..... what church do you go to? ..... seriously ....

 

[cavanaugh208]

Looks like this ZonaIrish guy is just another in a long line of posters who know you are an idiot. And feel free to ask Bodi anything you want..he knows your a jackass as well. And yes...please post the thread...or is this just another of your lies. The entire site can't wait to see you on the sideline as the next ND football coach!

 

[Buguit]

Had to DVR the game and watch it late, but I've now seen it in full and watched a condensed version of it a 2nd time.

Here are some opinions I came away with.

First off, Syracuse is a horrible team. I'm willing to bet that there are top tier high schools in Texas and Florida that could put up 30 points on that team. Regardless, it's a win ND desperately needed for their confidence. Forget their resume at this point. This is a week-to-week venture and this week there is reason to smile for the team.

I'll start with the positives...

1. The defense was vanilla as hell. AND YES, THAT'S A POSITIVE. I've been on here ranting for 3 weeks about simplifying the defense so that college players, especially the number of freshman ND is playing on their backend can simply go out and play. The net positive of doing this will be realized over time. Yes ND gave up 33 points today, but with this offense, that's ok. Build on that each week, add very little extra to the scheme each week and watch the young guys get better-and-better. Slowly, 33 will become 30, then 27, etc, etc... As ND's offense grows, it should be capable of putting up damn near 40 points every week. You do the math...

2. ND played a ton of personnel. This is a really good thing. You can talk all you want about giving guys an opportunity to compete in practice, but if it doesn't carry over to them having an opportunity to play in games, their compete level drops pretty quickly, not too mention, you don't develop any depth. Did Asmar Bilal, Donte Vaughn, Jay Hayes, Daelin Hayes, etc, etc play great games today? No they did not. But now they're engaged because they know that if they practice hard, they're going to play. ND needs to get its best athletes on the field. It is the job of the coaches to make sure that the scheme is one that the best athletes are capable of executing.

3. Kizer showed better patience throwing underneath today. Deshone needs to keep getting better at this and understanding that Adams and Williams are often wide open on check downs when Notre Dame runs its vertical concepts. Kizer isn't perfect, but he's a damn good college quarterback. I'll talk about some improvements that he needs to make in my "negatives" section, but learning to be patient and throw underneath is his next serious evolution. If he could be even 75% of what Jimmy Clausen was relative to his patience and understanding when to take the easy checkdown, this offense would be almost unstoppable at times. It's not as if they're going to be 4-5 yards catches either. There are times when the RB is so wide open that they could the ball, turn, and crawl for 10 yards. Adams, in particular, is a weapon in the passing game. Each week, Kizer has to find a way to check down to him if the defense wants to turn and run with ND's vertical threats, and put a spy on Kizer to keep him the pocket.

4. The wide receivers continue to grow. What St. Brown is doing week-to-week is fairly obvious and continues to be impressive, but as a coach, I'm much happier with the group as a whole. It's the little things, like blocking, running other guys open breaking routes off where I see the most improvement. Syracuse has an abysmal secondary, but it was nice to see lots of guys play and Boykin, Holmes and Stepherson make big catches to compliment the starting trio. Speaking of EQ St. Brown, he reminds me of Michael Crabtree. an inch or two taller, but watching them out there run vertical routes in the spread, they're very similar college players.

5. ND made some field goals. That has to help Justin Yoon's confidence after a slow start. Great to see a couple balls go through the uprights today.

6. Dexter Williams is clearly one of the 3 or 4 best athletes on this team and I get that he probably isn't trusted in every situation yet, but his role needs to increase each week. He's that type of RB that may go for 0, 1, 0, 2, 60... Those guys are rare, and sometimes they make fans impatient, but you need to find him 6-10 touches a week, because on couple of those, he's going to make this team better.

Negatives

1. The right side of ND's offensive line is really average. I know that McGovern is battling through an ankle injury right now, so I'll be less harsh on him, but Alex Bars straight up struggles with speed rushers off the edge. It's always been my opinion that Bars is better suited to play guard, and this season has done nothing but solidify that feeling for me. ND may not have a better option at RT this year, but if I'm Hiestand in the spring, I'm letting Kraemer and Eichenberg battle it out for the RT job, sliding bars inside to RG and and making McGovern my 6th man... Now, all that could go out the window if the left side declares for the draft, but I'm working on the premise that they'll be back.

2. Why ND can't bring Tyler Luatua into the game inside the 5 yard line as an H-back, line up in pistol and run the ball down undersized defenses throats for touchdowns, is beyond me. Actually, it's not, because it's something you have to practice and, yes, toughness and attitude can be taught. Remember ND's game plan for LSU in the bowl game? They simply kicked the Tigers ass up and down the field. They did so by preparing tough, scheming tough and playing tough. There is no excuse why with an offensive line the size of ND's, an H-back like Luatua, and a quality inside runner like Tarean Folston, why ND needs to run Jet Sweep, Wrap and Outside Zone on the goaline... Especially on back-to-back plays. Against Syracuse it may not cost you... Against many of the teams on the schedule, it will. Wedge block the damn thing, have Luatua meet the first man in the hole, and tell Folston that if he wants to play, this is his role.

3. So the tight ends caught a couple of passes today... Yay... CJ Sanders, at 5'8, 175lbs is legitimately a better blocker than our 6'5, 240lb TE's. IMO, this is a coaching thing. I've made it pretty clear that I am not ND's TE coach and the development he gets out his players. Really hoping Kelly makes a change their in the off season, especially with Jeff Quinn sitting up in the box as an analyst. Notre Dame will presumably have one of the nation's most talented TE's back next year if his academics are in order and at the same time, are bringing in two of the 3 best TE's in America in the 2016 class... They need someone that can develop them into real dual-threats. It will help the ND run game out considerably.

4. ND's defensive line simply play too high. I know that at 6'5 and 6'7 it's hard for Jones and Tillery to get low, but man have I been displeased with that coaching hire and what he's getting out of his players. Now, I'm not saying that the players aren't to blame as well, because they need to win a damn leverage battle from time-to-time, but I can't imagine that they are so thoroughly let off the hook regarding their pad level... Then again, both Jones and Tillery had the makings of All American OL coming out of high school, defensive line has always been a position of extensive learning for both of them.

5. Killer instinct still among this group. No, I'm not delusional enough to think that this team would develop it over the course of one week, but Kelly's teams have not had it since Manti Te'o graduated and quit willing this team to wins. Players graduate. You cannot rely on them to instil that sense or urgency and pride on the team. That's a top down mentality, and BK's teams (for the most part) have been mentally fragile... This will be a work in progress throughout the season and TBD for next year.

IIO's entire post ..... I am not the liar here ..... proven once again ... and again ... and again ... and again .... feel free to offer a rebuttal ..... crickets? ....

 

[Buguit]

Looks like this ZonaIrish guy is just another in a long line of posters who know you are an idiot. And feel free to ask Bodi anything you want..he knows your a jackass as well. And yes...please post the thread...or is this just another of your lies. The entire site can't wait to see you on the sideline as the next ND football coach!

Not exactly Zona is a long list of nerds who sit at their computer all day on message boards who know a lot less than me and are angry about it ....you're in good company .... of course I can see how he would be attracted to your classy side .... LOL!

 

[zonairish]

Not exactly Zona is a long list of nerds who sit at their computer all day on message boards who know a lot less than me and are angry about it ....you're in good company .... of course I can see how he would be attracted to your classy side .... LOL!

You keep ripping into me and laughing . but I am waiting for some punch lines. Please I want better and funnier insults. at least when cvgr insults there is some humor in it. step it up brother

 

[NDCap]

50 pts. Stick to being a dunce in just hoops.

Pennick what are your thoughts of the ND running game ? I think hoopstar is on point . 50 points does not erase the lack of imagination in the run game. Seriously what do think about BK's run game?

 

[Buguit]

You keep ripping into me and laughing . but I am waiting for some punch lines. Please I want better and funnier insults. at least when cvgr insults there is some humor in it. step it up brother

Sorry .... call'em the way I see'em .... this one is too easy .... I was waiting for a response about Kelly's lack of a short ydg package .... you know .... what the thread was about .... par for the course eh? ... next

 

[cavanaugh208]

Not exactly Zona is a long list of nerds who sit at their computer all day on message boards who know a lot less than me and are angry about it ....you're in good company .... of course I can see how he would be attracted to your classy side .... LOL! [/QUOT

Yea...that's a real knee slapper there!!! I was busting my ribs on that one. Hey..the 1030 dude at the Improv canceled...maybe you should call and see if if you can get that slot...that's a real funny one, had me laffin all nite long

 

[cavanaugh208]

IIO's entire post ..... I am not the liar here ..... proven once again ... and again ... and again ... and again .... feel free to offer a rebuttal ..... crickets? ....

OMG..he actually posted the thread...like I give a shit...and where may I ask is your name in the thread? And where in the thread did he "VEHEMENTLY" agree with you? IIO probably doesn't even know who you are...or he knows your a dickweed and purposely avoided it... But hey little fella...I got 10 bucks saying you got the thread framed already next to the South Bend Tribune post...both sitting on your desk at Dunkin Donuts...right next to your red stapler. If I were you I would use the thread as part of the resume your gonna hand to Dr. Jack....although you still haven't told us how your gonna coach 2 sports at the same time!!!

 

[cavanaugh208]

You keep ripping into me and laughing . but I am waiting for some punch lines. Please I want better and funnier insults. at least when cvgr insults there is some humor in it. step it up brother

Zona...echowaker...pennick...bodi...cgvr...756....IrishJohn...DieHard...Seahawkfan...and of course me and my 23 supposed aliases....I guess everyone who doesn't agree with the shithead is a nerd....and these are the names I can come up with in my short time here. Zona...you have been here 4 yrs...I am sure there are many more. Seems like everyone on this site knows he is a moron.

 

[zonairish]

Zona...echowaker...pennick...bodi...cgvr...756....IrishJohn...DieHard...Seahawkfan...and of course me and my 23 supposed aliases....I guess everyone who doesn't agree with the shithead is a nerd....and these are the names I can come up with in my short time here. Zona...you have been here 4 yrs...I am sure there are many more. Seems like everyone on this site knows he is a moron.

We had our Brey arguments before. There are # of posters who just do not like coaches. Once we get a new coach they start ripping them. usually starts with play calling and deteriorates . i.e. Kelly, Weis, Brey has been here a while. The same guys who will never be happy with a coach. /i remember people hating on Holtz and it was same things play calling etc. i get it Kelly is under the magnifying glass. He has caused his own problem to a large degree i.e hiring the worst D-cooridantor in the world BVG. However, whining constantly about play calling when we score 40 points a game. or the redone offense until the syracuse game we scoring at a large percentage. The admin will eventually move on Kelly if he does not get things changed for the better. I would bet if this season turns out to be 500 % or lower it he could and probably should be gone IMO if they get to a bowl and lose he should be gone. I still think Kelly is a good coach but has made bad executive decisions And at times makes bad tactical decisions. if somehow he is able to turn this team around and win a bowl game and next year we win a major bowl game we have to accept him. If not he should be gone. The teams left on the schedule have great records or have good talent. Army, Navy NCST, VA Tech, /miami, USC, are not pushovers. Any one of them based on our D we can lose and it could be ugly

 

[cavanaugh208]

But this asshat actually thinks he would be a better coach than both Brey and Kelly and he has never coached a day in his life! Add it to the fact that he is an arrogant, ignorant human being...he deserves all the crap he gets...

 

[zonairish]

But this asshat actually thinks he would be a better coach than both Brey and Kelly and he has never coached a day in his life! Add it to the fact that he is an arrogant, ignorant human being...he deserves all the crap he gets...

he thinks very highly of himself

 

[cavanaugh208]

He should....no one else does

 

[deadirishpoet]

Here are the rankings of total defense on teams that ND has faced so far.

Syracuse 122
Texas 87
Duke 49
Michigan St 29
Nevada 103

Ouch

 

[Buguit]

OMG..he actually posted the thread...like I give a shit...and where may I ask is your name in the thread? And where in the thread did he "VEHEMENTLY" agree with you? IIO probably doesn't even know who you are...or he knows your a dickweed and purposely avoided it... But hey little fella...I got 10 bucks saying you got the thread framed already next to the South Bend Tribune post...both sitting on your desk at Dunkin Donuts...right next to your red stapler. If I were you I would use the thread as part of the resume your gonna hand to Dr. Jack....although you still haven't told us how your gonna coach 2 sports at the same time!!!

He didn't have to mention my name ... in a way that makes it even better .... he says the same thing I've been saying for years .... awesome isn't it ? ..... still waiting for that rebuttal ..... I'm going to be waiting a long time huh? ..... LOL!

You need to KNOW (not no ... LOL!) the definition of vehemently to understand

 

[Buguit]

We had our Brey arguments before. There are # of posters who just do not like coaches. Once we get a new coach they start ripping them. usually starts with play calling and deteriorates . i.e. Kelly, Weis, Brey has been here a while. The same guys who will never be happy with a coach. /i remember people hating on Holtz and it was same things play calling etc. i get it Kelly is under the magnifying glass. He has caused his own problem to a large degree i.e hiring the worst D-cooridantor in the world BVG. However, whining constantly about play calling when we score 40 points a game. or the redone offense until the syracuse game we scoring at a large percentage. The admin will eventually move on Kelly if he does not get things changed for the better. I would bet if this season turns out to be 500 % or lower it he could and probably should be gone IMO if they get to a bowl and lose he should be gone. I still think Kelly is a good coach but has made bad executive decisions And at times makes bad tactical decisions. if somehow he is able to turn this team around and win a bowl game and next year we win a major bowl game we have to accept him. If not he should be gone. The teams left on the schedule have great records or have good talent. Army, Navy NCST, VA Tech, /miami, USC, are not pushovers. Any one of them based on our D we can lose and it could be ugly

There are a number of posters who are forever the apologists for the coaches who believe they do no wrong .... ever .... and then they try to back them up with statements they can't back up .... moreover ..... it becomes obvious they know nothing .... then once exposed .... they get bent .... angry .... and become trolls ....

 

[Buguit]

But this asshat actually thinks he would be a better coach than both Brey and Kelly and he has never coached a day in his life! Add it to the fact that he is an arrogant, ignorant human being...he deserves all the crap he gets...

This implies Brey coaches in the 1st place ..... not true .....we covered this .... duh ......

 

[cavanaugh208]

This implies Brey coaches in the 1st place ..... not true .....we covered this .... duh ......

All he does is win...we've covered this...duh...and it still doesn't change the fact that you are an ignorant asshole...

 

[cavanaugh208]

There are a number of posters who are forever the apologists for the coaches who believe they do no wrong .... ever .... and then they try to back them up with statements they can't back up .... moreover ..... it becomes obvious they know nothing .... then once exposed .... they get bent .... angry .... and become trolls ....

I am not an aplogist for Brey or anyone else...I just KNOW that you don't KNOW jackshit about coaching a team...you have no clue how difficult it is to run a squad...you think by sitting on a barstool watching Hoosiers 50 times makes you an expert...

 

[cavanaugh208]

He didn't have to mention my name ... in a way that makes it even better .... he says the same thing I've been saying for years .... awesome isn't it ? ..... still waiting for that rebuttal ..... I'm going to be waiting a long time huh? ..... LOL!

You need to KNOW (not no ... LOL!) the definition of vehemently to understand

IIO wouldn't want to mention your name....his credibility would be shot right down the toilet. I don't blame him. I would rather be taped to a chair and be forced to watch Hillary get undressed than have to mention your name...LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL...you are a major league loon

 

[Buguit]

All he does is win...we've covered this...duh...and it still doesn't change the fact that you are an ignorant asshole...

The players win ... and do the coaching .... Brey gets credit for what he does .... cheerlead .....

 

[Buguit]

I am not an aplogist for Brey or anyone else...I just KNOW that you don't KNOW jackshit about coaching a team...you have no clue how difficult it is to run a squad...you think by sitting on a barstool watching Hoosiers 50 times makes you an expert...

The angry guy who thinks Hawaii is out of the country and doesn't KNOW the difference between KNOW and no is right ? ... and thinks Brey actually coaches ? ..... when I proved otherwise .... right fron the players' mouths ..... yeah .... you are the one who knows everything

I don't see multiple offices of college coaches talking about you and carrying around printed copies of your posts .... LOL!

 

[Buguit]

IIO wouldn't want to mention your name....his credibility would be shot right down the toilet. I don't blame him. I would rather be taped to a chair and be forced to watch Hillary get undressed than have to mention your name...LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL...you are a major league loon

You asked for proof .... I gave it to you once again .... and then tried to say you don't care ..... LOL! ..... it hurts .... I know .....

 

[cavanaugh208]

How many times have you creamed your shorts over IIO and his response....maybe you should give him a call and the 2 of you can set up a date!

 

[cavanaugh208]

The angry guy who thinks Hawaii is out of the country and doesn't KNOW the difference between KNOW and no is right ? ... and thinks Brey actually coaches ? ..... when I proved otherwise .... right fron the players' mouths ..... yeah .... you are the one who knows everything

I don't see multiple offices of college coaches talking about you and carrying around printed copies of your posts .... LOL!

"When I proved otherwise." What proof? And to whom did you prove anything? I defy you to name one poster...JUST ONE...who believes that bullshit article from the SB Trib shows that Brey doesn't coach the team....because only 2 types of people would believe that article, 1) a complete asswipe and 2) someone who knows nothing about coaching....you have both those bases covered.....SO NAME ONE POSTER...i am willing to bet major coin you can't....

 

[Buguit]

"When I proved otherwise." What proof? And to whom did you prove anything? I defy you to name one poster...JUST ONE...who believes that bullshit article from the SB Trib shows that Brey doesn't coach the team....because only 2 types of people would believe that article, 1) a complete asswipe and 2) someone who knows nothing about coaching....you have both those bases covered.....SO NAME ONE POSTER...i am willing to bet major coin you can't....

You asked me to prove those were IIO's words ... I did .... no rebuttal for lack of short ydg package .... LOL!

There inability to work under center is working out great today isnt it? .... 1st and goal from 5 .... zero pts .... in a game where you have to have it .... one of worst red zone offenses in the country .... and it's a design flaw ....

The Brey article???? .... HA!!! .... some people like to discredit certain sources of journalism ... but no mater the source .... you can't discount direct quotes .... you're a special kind of stupid ... eh? .... painful? ..... I think so

 

[Buguit]

How many times have you creamed your shorts over IIO and his response....maybe you should give him a call and the 2 of you can set up a date!

The sign of victory .... no rebutall ..... only vulgarity ....

 

[cavanaugh208]

The sign of victory .... no rebutall ..... only vulgarity ....

Congrats on your tremendous victory! I know it's all you got in your poor, pathetic piece of shit life...I just call 'em like I see 'em...and your a piece of garbage...BTW...if you haven't noticed I couldn't give a shit about a short yardage package....but ya know what dickweed...next week I will be starting a new season...and you'll be greeting people at Walmart....you should be punched in the mouth on a daily basis...

 

[deadirishpoet]

Hate to break it to you spread guy's, but this is fullback weather

 

[Buguit]

Congrats on your tremendous victory! I know it's all you got in your poor, pathetic piece of shit life...I just call 'em like I see 'em...and your a piece of garbage...BTW...if you haven't noticed I couldn't give a shit about a short yardage package....but ya know what dickweed...next week I will be starting a new season...and you'll be greeting people at Walmart....you should be punched in the mouth on a daily basis...

GRRRRR !!!! .... my my ..... aren't we angry today .... enjoy your humble pie today .... I feel another family tragedy coming on .... LOL!

 

[cavanaugh208]

Still waiting for that one poster.!...I would have a better chance of seeing a snowstorm in the Gobi than someone agreeing with that bullshit article....any real basketball coach knows that the article states that Brey trained the kid to run his offense to the point where Atkins knew what to do...happens all the time. But the key is a real basketball coach....you ain't one. Good luck greeting people at Walmart today....Maybe if Dr. Jack comes in you can slip him your resume....how was your date with IIO last nite..asswipe

 

[cavanaugh208]

Maybe the football coach should talk to Brey....he beats NC State and Duke every time he plays them!

 

[Buguit]

Maybe the football coach should talk to Brey....he beats NC State and Duke every time he plays them!

You mean they should get Grant and Atkins .... LOL! .... Kelly looked great yesterday huh? .....