Thought this as well, but read somewhere that the last game of the current contract is in fact 25. Makes no sense for USC to want a one year extension that has that game in South Bend.
ND/USC rivalry
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Lincoln Reilly is a soft pos loser who go lucky with a couple of talented QBs.
USC is soft. The right thing to do is stand on principle Tell the world there are some things that make college football great and this rivalry is at the top of the list.
USC won’t do that. ND would if in same circumstance
For those who were incessant in clamoring for ND to lose independence- this is one of many reasons we don’t need your Ffin advice. We do what we want, when we want. F off
And usc has the chance to be a big boy n say the same. Don’t hold your breath. Everything in life is going to the crapper.
Glad I’m old.
USC is soft. The right thing to do is stand on principle Tell the world there are some things that make college football great and this rivalry is at the top of the list.
USC won’t do that. ND would if in same circumstance
For those who were incessant in clamoring for ND to lose independence- this is one of many reasons we don’t need your Ffin advice. We do what we want, when we want. F off
And usc has the chance to be a big boy n say the same. Don’t hold your breath. Everything in life is going to the crapper.
Glad I’m old.
Lincoln "Riley" has also coached three Heisman Trophy winners, and qualified three times for the 4-team CFB Playoff. The dude can coach offense really really well. Defense? A struggle. A huge struggle.
This would have to be the easiest recruiting tool to use... come play for us at ND where we thrive on playing the big games instead of SC where they opt out of them.
I don’t see a significant incremental benefit in USC terminating the series, versus continuing the series.
After Ohio State and Michigan and a long time rivalry with UCLA, what’s impressive about the balance of the potential Big Ten schedule, versus playing Notre Dame.
Where is all the internal pressure coming from at USC ?
Ditto, external pressure ?
After Ohio State and Michigan and a long time rivalry with UCLA, what’s impressive about the balance of the potential Big Ten schedule, versus playing Notre Dame.
Where is all the internal pressure coming from at USC ?
Ditto, external pressure ?
Devils advocate response here. I feel we must throw penn state into that category. They are usually a tough game. You also have oregon. Safe to say they are consistently good now. Im waiting for the Spartans to get good again....
But to prove your point, if you look at USC future schedules, its not like its full of these top big ten teams.
Im trying to look at it from the Trojans perspective here: I think they legitimately feel they have little chance to win a national title if they face notre dame going forward. Unless that is, a Pete Carroll defense miraculous returns to southern California. Zero evidence of this happening.
Remember, SC is use to the daunting pac 12 schedule (sarcasm) .....well. those days are over lol they decided it would be a good idea to destroy the conference and join big ten. Unknowingly, by doing this they now feel they need to stop playing the fighting irish.
One thing that maybe might help keep this rivalry going is if they expand the playoffs again. I know alot of people would be opposed to this.
This might be a wierd way to look at things, but is it possible that this would amplify the rivalry if they canceled series? Sure we stop playing in the regular season. But can you imagine matching up with them in the playoffs?
This is why I think a playoff matchup with michigan would be massive and emotional. But I feel there is a bit more hatred in the michigan ND rivalry than SC and ND.
"Why would, say, a school from the SEC or Big 12 refuse to schedule ND because ND won't join the Big 10?"
I don't see why any school would want to do this EITHER.
But then -- SEPARATE QUESTION:
Why would any major conference power wish to schedule a NON-CONFERENCE POWER like ND? How does that help them in making it to the playoffs other than in terms of strength of schedule considerations? And how USEFUL is an SOS GOLD STAR vs. the risk of LOSING THE GAME TO ND -- which is an INCREASINGLY REAL POSSIBILITY?
Which is why, I believe, USC wants out. Why travel more than halfway across the country for yet another game when you're already doing it half the season, including EAST COAST TRIPS, depending on the year, to New Jersey, Maryland and arguably PA.
Given today's CFB configuration, non-conference games require PATSIES not POWERS.
After all, USC needs a few of those CHEAPIE WINS, too. Why leave them all to the SEC?
Agreed. A possible solution is another slight expansion of the playoffs to say 16 teams. This MAYBE could allow a 3 loss team with very tough schedule to get in . It would definitely allow more 2 loss teams to get in.
Im sure few want more expansion. But I think it would help ND in terms of scheduling maybe.
Heck, they should just expand it. If it will allow more awesome out of conference matchups and ND, I might be leaning towards a slight expansion unless someone here gives me reasons to think otherwise that im not thinking about.
Another perspective on the demise of the rivalry authored by an outsider. He places the blame exactly where it belongs.
www.on3.com
Lincoln Riley Wants Out Of The Historic USC-Notre Dame Rivalry
USC is seeking to cancel its century long series with the Fighting Irish, the greatest remaining intersectional rivalry in all of college football.
You know what this really reflects? The current state of college football: the constant changes with the transfer portal, shifting rosters, and realigned conferences. So even if this looks bad for USC, it probably won’t matter much. If they think backing out of the series improves their shot at a title, they’ll do it. Loyalty and tradition isn’t part of the equation anymore.Another perspective on the demise of the rivalry authored by an outsider. He places the blame exactly where it belongs.
Lincoln Riley Wants Out Of The Historic USC-Notre Dame Rivalry
USC is seeking to cancel its century long series with the Fighting Irish, the greatest remaining intersectional rivalry in all of college football.
I dunno. I think the Trojans are a long, long way from competing for a title. As long as Lincoln Riley is there, it's not going to happen.
No disagreement there. But i can't think of any other reason why they're doing this. Who knows? Maybe there really is some truth to the conspiracy theory that the Big 10 told SC, you can join our conference but we hate ND and want you to stick it to them by discontinuing the series.
I don't think there can be much doubt that the Big 10 and Southern Cal used the possible termination. of the series to try to push ND to seek Big 10 membership. Good thing that ND isn't biting.
If thats true of the Big 10 and SC, then thats just pathetic.
My guess is the alumni didn't want to start fires, until it became an actual possibility. It's not a good lookc, but hope it works and the series continues.
I was told by my son TODAY -- and I didn't check it out -- that the playoff committee has decided that the TOP FOUR TEAMS are simply THE TOP FOUR TEAMS -- no other considerations, such as conference standings, etc. If this is true, ND can now make the top four as EASILY as any other team. Not to say that it will be EASY. But the NON-CONFERENCE STIGMA will no longer MATTER.
Again, this is something I merely heard and have yet to RESEARCH on my own.
If someone can either CONFIRM or DENY, please CHIME IN.
I created a thread about this today. Yes, its true. But don't tell anyone, as some people will still say ND needs to join a conference to be able to compete for titles.
SCORCHER!Another perspective on the demise of the rivalry authored by an outsider. He places the blame exactly where it belongs.
Lincoln Riley Wants Out Of The Historic USC-Notre Dame Rivalry
USC is seeking to cancel its century long series with the Fighting Irish, the greatest remaining intersectional rivalry in all of college football.
Glad to hear that it's TRUE.
Ironically, though, I'm in FAVOR of ND joining a conference, but I will save THAT ARGUMENT for FARTHER DOWN THE LINE.
"Loyalty" and "tradition" have been TOTALLY MONETIZED.
In the proces, the way both SPORTS AND MONEY are DESCRIBED has become virtually identical.
The VOCABULARY used is the same -- with everything involved a matter of metrics, standings, stats, returns, valuations and rankings. As supporters and followers, we are now showered with as much information on salaries and salary caps as we are on batting averages and yards per carry.
The result is a TWO-TIERED PHENOMENON: the game itself and the money game that surrounds it on MULTIPLE SIDES.
And, AS FOR NOW AT LEAST, there's NO GOING BACK.
Yes, later would be BETTER, but let me at least CORRECT MYSELF. And since IT IS RELATED to the entire question of scheduling, given the existence of conferences, I WILL outline my CURRENT VIEW of the ENTIRE SUBJECT.
It's not so much that I would like to see ND in a CONFERENCE as in a GROUPING of the most ROBUST teams playing in a kind of COLLEGE FOOTBALL PREMIER LEAGUE. And such a league could include anywhere, say, between 36 and 64 teams.
What would DISAPPEAR wouldn't just be CFB INDEPENDENCE but the CURRENT CONFERENCES as well. Meaning that BOTH would CEASE TO EXIST AS CATEGORIES. And, therefore, no more FOOD FIGHTS OVER ND INDEPENDENCE. There would be NOTHING TO BE INDEPENDENT FROM.
Every program participating would simply be part of some overarching structure where teams would be grouped together by REGION. And, while that breakdown could be made up of divisions termed "CONFERENCES," the conferences that exist today would, as I've indicated, VANISH.
AT LEAST FOR COLLEGE FOOTBALL within this new configuration.
In other words, the arrangement would be similar to that of PROFESSIONAL SPORTS, oversight body at this point, TBD.
My point being that A MODERN PLAYOFF SYSTEM DOESN'T MATCH UP WITH AN ANTIQUATED CONFERENCE STRUCTURE.
JUST HAVE ONE LEAGUE CONSISTING OF HOWEVER MANY CONFERENCES, AND HAVE THE WINNERS OF THOSE CONFERENCES, TOGETHER WITH SOME WILD CARD QUALIFIERS, DUKE IT OUT IN A PLAYOFF SYSTEM SIMILAR TO THOSE THAT EXIST IN PRO SPORTS.
REMOVE THE ENTIRE SUBJECTIVE/EVALUATIVE LAYER FROM COLLEGE FOOTBALL.
MODERNIZE IT.
And if that means that a WILD CARD team could GO ON A RUN and win the NC, then WHY NOT?
The movement of the game towards a more REGULATED FORMAT is by now, in my view, INEXORABLE.
We now have private equity firms looking to INVEST in collegiate ATHLETIC DEPARTMENTS. With that, comes the drive towards MAXIMUM MONETIZATION. Which can't be achieved without MAXIMUM MODERNIZATION.
And, these days, money talks LOUDER than TRADITION.
More change is coming, and MONEY WILL DRIVE IT.
I agree with Eric Hanson, I think that USC boosters and USC alumni will exert significant influence on preserving a series.
Time will tell
Time will tell
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We usually agree on most subjects, but not this one
There’s no significant upside to Notre Dame joining a conference.
Jack Swarbrick enumerated how the stars would have to line up in order for Notre Dame to be forced to join a conference
The downside is that Notre Dame would lose its autonomy, which is critical to the brand
What if FOR CFB there were no longer conferences?
In other words, INDEPENDENCE FOR ALL under the AEGIS of some overarching NCAA-LIKE structure? Though perhaps not the NCAA PER SE. Would that amount to a LOSS OF IDENTITY for ND and hurt its brand? If so, WHY?
Because that would be my PREFERRED SOLUTION.
Given what's going on right now in CFB, conferences strike me as ANTIQUATED. ALL SCHOOLS, as I see it, should be independent as equal members of some CFB SUPER-CONFERENCE, a CFB version of the NFL.
Today, there's player mobility, extended playoffs, players being paid and, most likely player UNIONIZATION and private equity investing in university athletic departments. All of these are TEARING DOWN traditional CFB structures, even AS WE SPEAK.
What I see coming is more REGULATORY UNIFORMITY in the interest of GREATER PROFITS. The more ORGANIZED the sport is, the more PREDICTABLE the income streams not just for a few schools, but MANY.
If a private equity firm invests in a school's athletic department, it will enable that school to BUY GREATER NUMBERS OF BETTER PLAYERS. Which will, in turn, make for GREATER PARITY. Which means more FAN ATTENDANCE and related income across a BROADER FIELD.
Can ND compete AS ITSELF in such an environment? WHY NOT? It can just STICK TO ITS GUNS on ADMISSIONS and ACADEMICS and play WHO COMES UP ON THE WHEEL.
But this idea that ND has to BE APART FROM CFB in order to be A PART OF IT -- and where there's no academic compromise required -- THAT BEARS LOOKING AT.
With ALGORITHMIC FINANCE, anything that CAN be invested in WILL be invested in. And that includes CFB.
Some schools, of course won't feature this. And for various reasons too LENGTHY to cite. But ND doesn't need to be one of them.
CHANGE IS COMING -- IT'S ALREADY HERE -- AND MONEY, AS EVER, IS DRIVING IT.
BTW, see my prior post on this.
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I dont see this happening soon. The new super conferences that are the SEC and BIG are just getting started. And they are powerful. Im not sure how they are just going to go away.
4-4-3. That’s a lot to think about. But you are correct. Change is coming in money is the driving force. One thing that gets rarely mentioned is that all schools are not created equal. Meaning , you have schools that will do whatever it takes to get the 5 star players knowing they will leave when eligible for the NFL. They don’t care if they take actual classes or graduate. Then you have other schools that kids need to go to real classes and graduate. Two different worlds.
Parity ? Maybe a bit. But in reality the usual schools will get the top end talent year after year. It will be the same 10-15 teams that have a legit shot at a championship. Just my humble opinion.
hoping the USC boosters and alumni send Riley packing soon
and above all continue the greatest intersectional rivalry in collegiate sports
and above all continue the greatest intersectional rivalry in collegiate sports
I am playing golf with the USC alumnus today and will have that discussion with him
Packing? The current buyout for Lincoln Riley at USC is 90 million. Around 78 million after next season. All guaranteed.
Good luck with that.
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