ADVERTISEMENT

ND PC Police

simontonlake

Irish Expert
Sep 3, 2003
647
18
18
More than 300 students, employees and alumni signed a letter alerting John Jenkins, the president of Notre Dame, they would continue protesting until the Christopher Columbus murals are removed.
So 300 out of 120,000 alumni object to the murals. Once again the minority PC police decide what is good for the majority of the folks.
 
More than 300 students, employees and alumni signed a letter alerting John Jenkins, the president of Notre Dame, they would continue protesting until the Christopher Columbus murals are removed.
So 300 out of 120,000 alumni object to the murals. Once again the minority PC police decide what is good for the majority of the folks.
Protest away!!!! I’ll be dead and gone and those Frescoes will still be lining that hallway.
 
More than 300 students, employees and alumni signed a letter alerting John Jenkins, the president of Notre Dame, they would continue protesting until the Christopher Columbus murals are removed.
So 300 out of 120,000 alumni object to the murals. Once again the minority PC police decide what is good for the majority of the folks.

Huh? What could he have done to bring this on? did someone claim abuse ? what is the statute of limitations for the dead? Who is next Ben? George? Abe? Audie Murphy?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Java65 and rgc7
Huh? What could he have done to bring this on? did someone claim abuse ? what is the statute of limitations for the dead? Who is next Ben? George? Abe? Audie Murphy?
In our newest liberal national pastime of rejudging all of history in today’s social paradigm, it has been decided that Columbus was not a very nice dude. I expect Columbus Day to be de-holidayed in the next few years.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 88ND and rgc7
History is no longer taught, so if Chris can weather the storm, he will just be forgotten, as will the Revolutionary War, Civil War, WW1, WW2, and any of the nations founding fathers.
Poncho Villa will get a holiday, and far east religious idols will be staues in parks, and we will all
have thesame area code: 666.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Buguit
We usually honor historical figures for certain outstanding accomplishments. Whatever other defect or moral faults or misdeeds that they may have committed , do not change the greatness of the deed for which they
Are honored !
Let me give you a simple example in sports. By all accounts and records, Ty Cobb was the greatest
Hitter of all times in baseball. He hit 400 , not once, not twice, but three times ! He was also a racist, and Earnest Hemmingway , who went on ( I believe a hunting trip with Cobb ?) remarked : “ Ty Cobb was the world’s greatest baseball player, but also the world’s worse human being ! “
Facts are facts, Cobb is in the baseball hall of fame for his baseball accomplishments, not for his Faults in his personal life.
 
Last edited:
Nice Guy? It is about what he accomplished. not who he was.
 
  • Like
Reactions: rgc7
From: "Office of the President" <president@nd.edu>
Date: January 20, 2019 at 3:00:16 PM EST

Subject: A Message from Rev. John I. Jenkins, C.S.C.
Reply-To: president@nd.edu

seal_1_1.jpg


UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME
OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT



January 20, 2019

Feast of Basil Moreau, C.S.C., founder of the Congregation of Holy Cross

Dear Members of the Notre Dame Community,

As we celebrate the feast of Fr. Basil Moreau, C.S.C., founder of the Congregation of Holy Cross, and as we prepare to celebrate Martin Luther King Jr. Day and Walk the Walk Week at Notre Dame, I write to let you know of a recent decision.

The murals by Luigi Gregori that adorn the ceremonial entrance to Notre Dame’s Main Building depict the life and exploration of Christopher Columbus. Painted in 1882-84, not long after a devastating fire and reconstruction of the Main Building, they reflect the attitudes of the time and were intended as a didactic presentation, responding to cultural challenges for the school’s largely immigrant, Catholic population. In recent years, however, many have come to see the murals as at best blind to the consequences of Columbus’s voyage for the indigenous peoples who inhabited this “new” world and at worst demeaning toward them.

In recent years I have heard from students, alumni, faculty, staff, representatives of the Native American community, and others on this complex topic. I have decided, after consultation with the University’s Board of Fellows, on a course that will preserve the murals, but will not display them regularly in their current location.

Gregori painted the murals directly on to the plaster of the walls, and so any attempt to move them would damage and likely destroy the works. Since the 1990s, a brochure has been provided that explains to viewers the context of the murals’ composition and some of the historical reality of the events depicted. However, because the second-floor hall of the Main Building is a busy throughway for visitors and members of the University community, it is not well suited for a thoughtful consideration of these paintings and the context of their composition. We will, therefore, create a permanent display for high-quality, high-resolution images of the murals in a campus setting to be determined that will be conducive to such an informed and careful consideration. The murals on the walls of the Main Building will themselves be covered by woven material consistent with the décor of the space, though it will be possible to display the murals on occasion. I will establish a committee to decide on the place to display the images of the murals and the appropriate communication around the display. We will begin soon the making of covers for the murals.

The murals present us with several narratives not easily reconciled, and the tensions among them are especially perplexing for us because of Notre Dame’s distinctive history and Catholic mission. At the time they were painted, the murals were not intended to slight indigenous peoples, but to encourage another marginalized group. In the second half of the 19th century, Notre Dame’s Catholic population, largely immigrants or from families of recent immigrants, encountered significant anti-Catholic, anti-immigrant attitudes in American public life. At the same time, Columbus was hailed by Americans generally as an intrepid explorer, the “first American” and the “discoverer of the New World.” Gregori’s murals focused on the popular image of Columbus as an American hero, who was also an immigrant and a devout Catholic. The message to the Notre Dame community was that they too, though largely immigrants and Catholics, could be fully and proudly American.

For the native peoples of this “new” land, however, Columbus’s arrival was nothing short of a catastrophe. Whatever else Columbus’s arrival brought, for these peoples it led to exploitation, expropriation of land, repression of vibrant cultures, enslavement, and new diseases causing epidemics that killed millions. As Pope John Paul II said in a 1987 meeting with the Native Peoples of the Americas, “the encounter [between native and European cultures] was a harsh and painful reality for your peoples. The cultural oppression, the injustices, the disruption of your way of life and of your traditional societies must be acknowledged.” The murals’ depiction of Columbus as beneficent explorer and friend of the native peoples hides from view the darker side of this story, a side we must acknowledge.

Our goal in making this change is to respect both Gregori’s murals, understood in their historical context, and the reality and experience of Native Americans in the aftermath of Columbus’s arrival. We wish to preserve artistic works originally intended to celebrate immigrant Catholics who were marginalized at the time in society, but do so in a way that avoids unintentionally marginalizing others. The course described above, we believe, honors the University’s heritage, of which we are justly proud, and better respects the heritage of native peoples, who have known great adversity since the arrival of Europeans.

Remembering the legacy of Dr. King and asking in prayer for the intercession of Fr. Moreau, let us renew in our minds and hearts our commitment to respect the dignity of all individuals, their communities, and their cultures, with particular concern for the most vulnerable.

Respectfully,

Rev. John I. Jenkins, C.S.C.
President

nd_mark_blue_s_2_2.png








o.gif
 
19-year old kids think they can just erase history. I think whether it’s negative or positive we need to learn from our past and not try to cover it up.

Overlooking the Native American genocide IS erasing history. The students are only trying to correct a gross error.
 
Overlooking the Native American genocide IS erasing history. The students are only trying to correct a gross error.
So should the university take down any American flags also since the US Cavalry killed more native Americans than Columbus did from the 1860's through the 1870's under orders from the American government.
 
Overlooking the Native American genocide IS erasing history. The students are only trying to correct a gross error.

Now? Why wasn’t this done years ago then?

Will everyone of these students stand up and protest against all of the illegal immigrants that come into our country and kill American citizens? No, they won’t. Seems hypocritical to me.
 
  • Like
Reactions: rgc7
What about 68 million American lives slaughtered in the abortion clinics in this nation since 1973? I hear no outcry from the liberals over that FACT? Trump was correct when he said America doesn't have clean hands. Life begins at conception--NO HUMAN BEING has the right to say otherwise. It's time to stop the slaughter of human beings in the name of women's rights. Each person is endowed by his creator with certain rights----LIFE-LIBERTY-PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. America stands guilty of MURDERING it's own people before all that's moral. That's the stinking truth. What about our callus attitude toward the homeless in this nation? We care more for people attempting to enter; or who have entered, this nation illegally. We care more about animals than people these days. Our churches spend their money on bigger and fancier buildings-First Baptist in Dallas Texas spent one billion dollars on their new facility. People are more important than some fancy building. People are living on the cold streets of this nation and who really cares? Certainly not the government or the churches. Who really cares? It's past time for this nation to get it's head out of the sand. Wake up America.
 
Last edited:
What about 68 million American lives slaughtered in the abortion clinics in this nation since 1973? I hear no outcry from the liberals over that FACT? Trump was correct when he said America doesn't have clean hands. Life begins at conception--NO HUMAN BEING has the right to say otherwise. It's time to stop the slaughter of human beings in the name of women's rights. Each person is endowed by his creator with certain rights----LIFE-LIBERTY-PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. America stands guilty of MURDERING it's own people before all that's moral. That's the stinking truth. What about our callus attitude toward the homeless in this nation? We care more for people attempting to enter; or who have entered, this nation illegally. We care more about animals than people these days. Our churches spend their money on bigger and fancier buildings-First Baptist in Dallas Texas spent one billion dollars on their new facility. People are more important than some fancy building. People are living on the cold streets of this nation and who really cares? Certainly not the government or the churches. Who really cares? It's past time for this nation to get it's head out of the sand. Wake up America.
Wow. You point out a Baptist Church as being too excessive when the Vatican should have been the obvious choice.
 
  • Like
Reactions: rgc7
More than 300 students, employees and alumni signed a letter alerting John Jenkins, the president of Notre Dame, they would continue protesting until the Christopher Columbus murals are removed.
So 300 out of 120,000 alumni object to the murals. Once again the minority PC police decide what is good for the majority of the folks.

Oh, why don't you go cry about it somewhere?
 
I’m not a history expert, I’ve just read a few books. My rudimentary understanding is that Native American tribes were predominantly nomadic and not entirely peaceful ... and what set the European explorers apart was not their violent nature, but simply the fact that they had gunpowder. Throughout the history of mankind land and borders have been established by conquerors. The very nature of your property ownership is that someone took it and claimed it for himself with threat of violence. So if you think Columbus and other explorers were doing a research project wake up. They were hired by the monarchies of Europe to claim possessions.
Now every community has the right to decide what to display in their own community and if they are not particularly proud or excited about displaying this mural then they shouldn’t. Keep in mind that the statue of Joe Paterno stands proudly in a state College. Hmmm.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TarCock29 and rgc7
Hitler accomplished a lot. He was a not a nice guy. Should we have murals of him?
I’d have him posted in certain spots like museums, etc. The younger generations need to learn about a psycho dictator so it never happens again. 19-year old kids are trying to erase history these days. How do we learn from it if we “erase” it because of cry baby snowflakes?
 
  • Like
Reactions: rgc7
It ain’t like anyone has a problem with those beautiful portraits of Sitting Bull by Catherine Weldon.
They are not holding prayer meetings in front of the murals, it is history. The history of our nation, that those protesters never have to, or bother to learn. They have a history of trying to destroy this country.

“Native American groups often enslaved war captives whom they primarily used for small-scale labor.[1]Others, however, were used in ritual sacrifice,[1] usually involving torture as part of religious rites, and these sometimes involved ritual cannibalism.[2]
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 88ND and rgc7
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT