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ND Fans have sold out to Clemson.

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Tons of Clemson fans buying tickets. This will look and feel like a Clemson home game on TV. My brother is there and said it’s pathetic
 
ND fans did not "sell out" to Clemson. Tickets were available to the general public through the ND ticket office up until a couple days ago. ND is not selling out the stadium for most games these days. It doesn't help to play home games at night in November and to sell tickets at very high prices.
 
ND fans did not "sell out" to Clemson. Tickets were available to the general public through the ND ticket office up until a couple days ago. ND is not selling out the stadium for most games these days. It doesn't help to play home games at night in November and to sell tickets at very high prices.
Either way it's a sad state of affairs.
 
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Either way it's a sad state of affairs.
Everything I have heard about the rennovated stadium is sad.

But we should be happy that recruits are skipping the game.

I am sad that all of the interesting CFB games are on at night. Right now I switched my tv to Goodfellas.
 
Everything I have heard about the rennovated stadium is sad.

But we should be happy that recruits are skipping the game.

I am sad that all of the interesting CFB games are on at night. Right now I switched my tv to Goodfellas.
Renovated stadium is awesome, music choices and nd fan attendance is the issue …. Too many people have season tickets that live flights away
 
ND fans did not "sell out" to Clemson. Tickets were available to the general public through the ND ticket office up until a couple days ago. ND is not selling out the stadium for most games these days. It doesn't help to play home games at night in November and to sell tickets at very high prices.
I agree. I was going to go, but the prices were absurd. Think they came down, but by then it was too late for me.
 
We only play well on the road under Freeman so it should be to our advantage.
 
ND fans did not "sell out" to Clemson. Tickets were available to the general public through the ND ticket office up until a couple days ago. ND is not selling out the stadium for most games these days. It doesn't help to play home games at night in November and to sell tickets at very high prices.
I know you go to lots of games, and I wonder if you sense that people just aren't going to games like they used to because the quality of play has not been justified by rising prices, or if it's something deeper.

I know the sellouts that went on for so many years were supposedly phony in that they were propped up by organizations that would buy leftover tickets to give them away. And we have all heard stories that lots of season tickets are held by old farts who may not attend very often.

Sometimes I wonder if the greater Notre Dame community is simply moving away from its interest in football. It has happened elsewhere.
 
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There doesn’t appear to be that much “orange” in the stadium on TV. Still, the ND home field advantage doesn’t seem to exist this year.
 
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Tons of Clemson fans buying tickets. This will look and feel like a Clemson home game on TV. My brother is there and said it’s pathetic
Lol, your post really suck. That is 100% false. You must work for DNC. Another asshat. The crowd was 85+% ND and loud the entire game. Why aren’t you going to a game?
 
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Apparently your brother is color blind.
Or could be that eturd72 is just a simpleton. Trying to recreate the usual false narrative. Have to laugh at those that make such statements and haven’t been to a game in their life.

was at the game and Clemson had about 10k- their normal away team allotment, one extra mostly full Clemson section, and a scattering of others. Didn’t do anything for the crowd or the game or the recruits.
 
I paused the TV at the beginning. Saw a little more Clemson than usual but the see of green and the noise tell me otherwise.
 
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This isn’t an issue that’s unique to Notre Dame. People are less likely to buy tickets today due to rising prices of all aspects of a game (tickets, concessions, merch, etc.) and the availability of games on TV at a tiny fraction of the cost. For ND to counter this trend, it will take a combination of a winning product, even slightly reducing prices, and really selling the full day experience being so much better than being a couch potato.
 
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We had 28 commits there alone from the 23 and 24 classes

There was about 60 total
according to on3, there were 19 from 23, 20 from 24, and 12 from 25, so you're on track with that estimate. Drayk Bowen was official, and so was Khalil Barnes, who is down to Clemson and ND.

ND even hosted Matayo Uiagalelei, DJ's brother, even though they're not really in the mix for him.


 
I know you go to lots of games, and I wonder if you sense that people just aren't going to games like they used to because the quality of play has not been justified by rising prices, or if it's something deeper.

I know the sellouts that went on for so many years were supposedly phony in that they were propped up by organizations that would buy leftover tickets to give them away. And we have all heard stories that lots of season tickets are held by old farts who may not attend very often.

Sometimes I wonder if the greater Notre Dame community is simply moving away from its interest in football. It has happened elsewhere.

I don't get the sense that ND fans are doing something else when ND plays. They are, however, watching on TV rather than going to the games. I think there are several things at play here.

1. The schedule. Playing home games at night, particularly in November, is not a recipe for fan attendance. Those of us who who gone to games at ND over the years know that day games in November can be dicey, in terms of weather. Even on a good day, chances are that it will be rather chilly at best. Playing after dark makes it even colder. Obviously, there are days with good weather in November. But because you can't count on the weather, a lot of people will decide to watch on TV well in advance of any reliable weather forecasts.

2. Night games in general. When ND signed up with NBC to telecast all home games, the rationale was that fans could count on a uniform starting time. Now there are two home night games every year. A ton of fans come in from Chicago and the surrounding suburbs. Night games don't start until 7:40 p.m. eastern time. They typically don't end until well after 11:00. Then, you have to get out of the stadium, walk to your car, fight traffic and drive home. For a lot of people, it just is not worth it to attend a game, if you get home at 1:00 or 2:00 a.m. I personally was living three hours away from ND, and after attending a couple night games, decided I would just stay home and watch on TV.

3. Day games. This is the corollary of two having two home night games every year. For those of us who want to attend games during the daytime, we have a steady diet of Navy, Boston College, MAC teams, New Mexico, UNLV, etc., etc., etc. In other words, the games played during the day rarely feature interesting opponents.

4. Cost of tickets. As an alum, I get emails all the time about tickets for sale. The tickets for the Clemson game, which were still on sale as of last Thursday (although ND did later declare a sell out), ranged from $125 to $250 per. This cost does not, of course, factor in parking concessions, a trip to the bookstore, or anything else. So a pair of tickets will run you $250-$500. Even though tickets are quite expensive, fans from opposing schools such as Georgia and Clemson will buy them at that cost because it is a "once in a lifetime" experience for them. ND fans have seen games at the stadium before. A lot of people don't want to spend that kind of money to attend a football game.

5. Piped in music. I am probably showing my age here, but being forced to listen to rap music, Crazy Train, and some of the other selections is not a pleasant experience. It is an ongoing assault on the ears, and whether ND wants to admit it or not, it keeps people from attending the games.

6. Length of games. I can remember when the games started at 1:30 and were, by and large, over by around 4:00. Now games are almost always 3 1/2 hours in length, if not four hours long. I recognize that this is a game wide issue, and not limited to ND. But the commercial breaks are just endless. At home, I can get, get a drink, or make a sandwich. At the stadium, I just have to sit there.
 
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I don't get the sense that ND fans are doing something else when ND plays. They are, however, watching on TV rather than going to the games. I think there are several things at play here.

1. The schedule. Playing home games at night, particularly in November, is not a recipe for fan attendance. Those of us who who gone to games at ND over the years know that day games in November can be dicey, in terms of weather. Even on a good day, chances are that it will be rather chilly at best. Playing after dark makes it even colder. Obviously, there are days with good weather in November. But because you can't count on the weather, a lot of people will decide to watch on TV well in advance of any reliable weather forecasts.

2. Night games in general. When ND signed up with NBC to telecast all home games, the rationale was that fans could count on a uniform starting time. Now there are two home night games every year. A ton of fans come in from Chicago and the surrounding suburbs. Night games don't start until 7:40 p.m. eastern time. They typically don't end until well after 11:00. Then, you have to get out of the stadium, walk to your car, fight traffic and drive home. For a lot of people, it just is not worth it to attend a game, if you get home at 1:00 or 2:00 a.m. I personally was living three hours away from ND, and after attending a couple night games, decided I would just stay home and watch on TV.

3. Day games. This is the corollary of two having two home night games every year. For those of us who want to attend games during the daytime, we have a steady diet of Navy, Boston College, MAC teams, New Mexico, UNLV, etc., etc., etc. In other words, the games played during the day rarely feature interesting opponents.

4. Cost of tickets. As an alum, I get emails all the time about tickets for sale. The tickets for the Clemson game, which were still on sale as of last Thursday (although ND did later declare a sell out), ranged from $125 to $250 per. This cost does not, of course, factor in parking concessions, a trip to the bookstore, or anything else. So a pair of tickets will run you $250-$500. Even though tickets are quite expensive, fans from opposing schools such as Georgia and Clemson will buy them at that cost because it is a "once in a lifetime" experience for them. ND fans have seen games at the stadium before. A lot of people don't want to spend that kind of money to attend a football game.

5. Piped in music. I am probably showing my age here, but being forced to listen to rap music, Crazy Train, and some of the other selections is not a pleasant experience. It is an ongoing assault on the ears, and whether ND wants to admit it or not, it keeps people from attending the games.

6. Length of games. I can remember when the games started at 1:30 and were, by and large, over by around 4:00. Now games are almost always 3 1/2 hours in length, if not four hours long. I recognize that this is a game wide issue, and not limited to ND. But the commercial breaks are just endless. At home, I can get, get a drink, or make a sandwich. At the stadium, I just have to sit there.
Home night games are the best. Absolutely love it. Cant recreate the atmosphere

Music is another pro. Tired of ND neimg a cheese and wine crowd. Get freaking crazy. Be loud. Get up. If you want to sit in a quiet environment, wat h the game at home
 
I don't get the sense that ND fans are doing something else when ND plays. They are, however, watching on TV rather than going to the games. I think there are several things at play here.

1. The schedule. Playing home games at night, particularly in November, is not a recipe for fan attendance. Those of us who who gone to games at ND over the years know that day games in November can be dicey, in terms of weather. Even on a good day, chances are that it will be rather chilly at best. Playing after dark makes it even colder. Obviously, there are days with good weather in November. But because you can't count on the weather, a lot of people will decide to watch on TV well in advance of any reliable weather forecasts.

2. Night games in general. When ND signed up with NBC to telecast all home games, the rationale was that fans could count on a uniform starting time. Now there are two home night games every year. A ton of fans come in from Chicago and the surrounding suburbs. Night games don't start until 7:40 p.m. eastern time. They typically don't end until well after 11:00. Then, you have to get out of the stadium, walk to your car, fight traffic and drive home. For a lot of people, it just is not worth it to attend a game, if you get home at 1:00 or 2:00 a.m. I personally was living three hours away from ND, and after attending a couple night games, decided I would just stay home and watch on TV.

3. Day games. This is the corollary of two having two home night games every year. For those of us who want to attend games during the daytime, we have a steady diet of Navy, Boston College, MAC teams, New Mexico, UNLV, etc., etc., etc. In other words, the games played during the day rarely feature interesting opponents.

4. Cost of tickets. As an alum, I get emails all the time about tickets for sale. The tickets for the Clemson game, which were still on sale as of last Thursday (although ND did later declare a sell out), ranged from $125 to $250 per. This cost does not, of course, factor in parking concessions, a trip to the bookstore, or anything else. So a pair of tickets will run you $250-$500. Even though tickets are quite expensive, fans from opposing schools such as Georgia and Clemson will buy them at that cost because it is a "once in a lifetime" experience for them. ND fans have seen games at the stadium before. A lot of people don't want to spend that kind of money to attend a football game.

5. Piped in music. I am probably showing my age here, but being forced to listen to rap music, Crazy Train, and some of the other selections is not a pleasant experience. It is an ongoing assault on the ears, and whether ND wants to admit it or not, it keeps people from attending the games.

6. Length of games. I can remember when the games started at 1:30 and were, by and large, over by around 4:00. Now games are almost always 3 1/2 hours in length, if not four hours long. I recognize that this is a game wide issue, and not limited to ND. But the commercial breaks are just endless. At home, I can get, get a drink, or make a sandwich. At the stadium, I just have to sit there.
Well, first off, thank you for a courteous response, especially coming after a night like last night when, for what seemed like the first time in ages, it actually sounded like a ND home game.

I think you make a lot of good points. I haven't been to a game for years, and the TV timeouts drove me nuts along with, I have to admit, the nearly endless playing of the Victory March. I, too, have no interest in the piped in music, but I think that's going to stay.

But I wonder about night games in general. They have cold night games at Michigan, Penn State, and Wisconsin, and they always seem to be packed.
 
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