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ND didn’t sniff a point the last 41 minutes!!

What are you talking about?

OSU is way better than that average Michigan team. And we were at home.

Sometimes you make the dumbest ridiculous points
You just can’t get over that freeman has no clue what he’s doing, luckily he has an elite DC that only mad a few bonehead calls.
About 10-20 less per game than freeman last year

let’s see if freeman steps in and forces offensive changes that everyone can see need to happen

also, beautiful move for ND not taking any portal wrs … brilliant

hopefully we play to blowout Marshall and not to win late
 
I dont care. We lost to Cincy last year. We struggled with fsu and Toledo. So far we played better against OSU than any game last year.

Schedule matters. Beating up on the weak doesnt mean you are better than a team who competes with the best

You should understand that
We struggled vs fsu and Toledo due to freeman, oline, and Rees taking 6 weeks to make oline changes and realize zeke is terrible … here we go again with zeke and Lugg right behind him
 
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If Thomas lenzy styles Tobias don’t become weapons 8 wins total is in play and that’s pathetic … 10 minimum or we took step back under freeman
I've no idea how it plays out, but I don't see AS YET a fully rounded out and functioning offensive unit. The WR's seem a notch below recent years, and the RB's are largely unproven. The OL is AGAIN a question mark.

It will depend a lot on the level of competition as to what extent skill players on offense emerge or not. That's true of the line as well.
 
I've no idea how it plays out, but I don't see AS YET a fully rounded out and functioning offensive unit. The WR's seem a notch below recent years, and the RB's are largely unproven. The OL is AGAIN a question mark.

It will depend a lot on the level of competition as to what extent skill players on offense emerge or not. That's true of the line as well.
I think estime is going to be a stud if oline ever gets their act together
 
You just can’t get over that freeman has no clue what he’s doing, luckily he has an elite DC that only mad a few bonehead calls.
About 10-20 less per game than freeman last year

let’s see if freeman steps in and forces offensive changes that everyone can see need to happen

also, beautiful move for ND not taking any portal wrs … brilliant

hopefully we play to blowout Marshall and not to win late
Like Ive said multiple times, I think you are a moron and not very knowledgeable in the football sense
 
We struggled vs fsu and Toledo due to freeman, oline, and Rees taking 6 weeks to make oline changes and realize zeke is terrible … here we go again with zeke and Lugg right behind him
Like I've said, you are a moron
 
Like Ive said multiple times, I think you are a moron and not very knowledgeable in the football sense
I would hope you’d say that… morons that think they’re geniuses like you, don’t know what intelligence looks like … appreciate it
 
48 total offensive plays

Offense looked exactly like it did under Kelly

slow developing run plays

no push from oline

no wrs

no qb development

you're either getting better or worse… offense under Rees each year has gotten worse
I’m watching the Kelly blueprint sputter as we speak.
 
Like I've said, you are a moron
Same players new DC and you admit they’re way better than last year… thank you for agreeing that freeman was average at best Dc

let’s hope he’s a better ceo
 
I would hope you’d say that… morons that think they’re geniuses like you, don’t know what intelligence looks like … appreciate it
Good call on that Daniels point.

3 points. Not even looking nearly as good as Coan did

Another brilliant point by you
 
Same players new DC and you admit they’re way better than last year… thank you for agreeing that freeman was average at best Dc

let’s hope he’s a better ceo
Yep same players, all a year older and more experienced. Another great cask by you
 
I’m watching the Kelly blueprint sputter as we speak.
We’ll he brought all his average coaches

Kelly knows football but doesn’t know how to recruit coaches around him until it gets forced he can’t hire friends … look at an elite Dc in golden vs Kelly boy in Rees, and Rees has higher rated players
 
Good call on that Daniels point.

3 points. Not even looking nearly as good as Coan did

Another brilliant point by you
Maybe learn how to read… ability is elite mental side and decision making tbd …

he’s as fast as wimbush and throws a great ball, he looks rattled though mentally
 
Yep same players, all a year older and more experienced. Another great cask by you
You can’t even admit freeman sucked when our D was 44th last year and may be top 10 this year with new Dc lol
 
I think estime is going to be a stud if oline ever gets their act together
He looked really good in spots. Has a certain BETTIS-LIKE quality. Big guy, nimble wheels.
 
Of our oline plays solid he will punish defenders
Another guy he reminds me of a bit is Leonard Fournette.

But how about that #2 OSU back? That's one tough dude. And FAST.

I don't see any ND back with that combination of SPEED and POWER.
 
Maybe learn how to read… ability is elite mental side and decision making tbd …

he’s as fast as wimbush and throws a great ball, he looks rattled though mentally
Kizer was a second rd pick. This kid isnt nearly as talented as him. Wrong on both then
 
We’ll he brought all his average coaches

Kelly knows football but doesn’t know how to recruit coaches around him until it gets forced he can’t hire friends … look at an elite Dc in golden vs Kelly boy in Rees, and Rees has higher rated players
You think Golden is elite?
 
I may re watch game tomorrow… word is from analysts that have is zeke was even worse than we all realized… can nd change center?
 
Way more talented than Daniels. So was Zaire and

Not more than I realized. I said it right after the game
Everyone knew zeke was bad, but I’m hearing over 50% of offensive errors were his … that’s insane
 
I may re watch game tomorrow… word is from analysts that have is zeke was even worse than we all realized… can nd change center?
Of course they can. Patterson, obviously.

Tons of depth and flexibility along the OL.
 
Decently is EXACTLY the word.

But look what Stroud had to do to WIN the game. Stroud came up big at critical moments. He made a DIFFERENCE. Buckner did nothing DIFFERENCE MAKING.

So, if the OSU QB had to be a DIFFERENCE MAKER to beat ND, how much more necessary was it for the ND QB to RETURN FIRE. Buckner did not return that kind of fire. What he did was CLEANLY MANAGE THE GAME.

Not bad, but not nearly enough to beat OSU.

But of course, Stroud also had a stronger supporting cast in every aspect of the game.

It's still a TEAM SPORT.
I wouldn’t expect him to play at Stroud’s level just yet. Stroud’s a Heisman favorite. Buchner was making his first start.
 
Of course they can. Patterson, obviously.

Tons of depth and flexibility along the OL.
Interesting they went all fall camp committed to zeke starting at center… doesn’t matter if j pat is next to him if center is that bad… he’s a senior
 
Well put.

High marks for a) consciousness, b) honesty.

How and why ND thinks that its IDIOSYNCRATIC FORMULA will actually WORK is TOTALLY BEYOND ME.


Younger folks have more optimism than me, given some of the other responses I got.

🙂

I might not be a football Xs and Os expert, but I know enough to see that ND doesn't have the same athletes in depth as OSU. Never mind Alabama and Georgia. At best, ND will make playoffs but won't seriously threaten the elite.

I recall reading a NYT article years ago about why the SEC is so good. It came down to culture. They simply want to win and do what they can to attract the best talent, which includes academic accommodation.

ND leadership does not have that same culture. They did often enough during and before Holtz. I knew back then in every game the other team feared a loaded ND, oozing with talent at the skill positions as well as comprehensively.

Times have changed. Like I said, I still enjoy the Irish. But the last 34 years have taught me to accept it as entertainment, as a NC isn't coming...until something changes either with college football or ND.
 
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You can’t teach what Golson what can’t you teach? What’s talent? Frichan idiot

Speed and size
Arm talent, arm strength, accuracy, athleticism is talent. Height is not

I know a lot of 6" 3" that cant throw a football 20 yards. Thats not talent

Like I said, moron
 
Once upon a time, ND featured Watters, Bettis, Brooks, Becton, the Rocket, Montana, Theismann. Great offensive players, as well as the requisite line and ST personnel.

It isn't there anymore. It's been that long. ND back in the day never have anything in talent up.

Since, it's clearly been about overcoming this with coaching, program management, and discipline. Getting the best players who are academically qualified. But it's not enough to get what Alabama, Georgia, and Ohio State get in talent.

I mentioned this and will repeat: I played soccer at a high level. The guys who were going pro overwhelmingly weren't going to thrive in a rigorous academic environment. In fact, soccer has long accommodated this by forgoing college for special dispensation during HS, academies, and committing full time essentially.

The NCAA plays this role, pretending it's a student-athlete ideal. It just isn't. Don't get me wrong, as I'm not condemning this, as it still does social and economic good.

What I do condemn is the hypocrisy of ND leadership. They still partake, rake in money, but maintain piety. I am a committed Catholic, but geez, our Church has allowed a lot worse to happen than accommodate academically challenged kids to play football for a new lease on life...and to give back something that played a big role in building a great ND academic brand.

But that's just my 2 cents. I've been told by ND alumni here that I'm wrong and ND should stay honorable. Mind you, I know a few ND alumni personally that agree with me.
 
Once upon a time, ND featured Watters, Bettis, Brooks, Becton, the Rocket, Montana, Theismann. Great offensive players, as well as the requisite line and ST personnel.

It isn't there anymore. It's been that long. ND back in the day never have anything in talent up.

Since, it's clearly been about overcoming this with coaching, program management, and discipline. Getting the best players who are academically qualified. But it's not enough to get what Alabama, Georgia, and Ohio State get in talent.

I mentioned this and will repeat: I played soccer at a high level. The guys who were going pro overwhelmingly weren't going to thrive in a rigorous academic environment. In fact, soccer has long accommodated this by forgoing college for special dispensation during HS, academies, and committing full time essentially.

The NCAA plays this role, pretending it's a student-athlete ideal. It just isn't. Don't get me wrong, as I'm not condemning this, as it still does social and economic good.

What I do condemn is the hypocrisy of ND leadership. They still partake, rake in money, but maintain piety. I am a committed Catholic, but geez, our Church has allowed a lot worse to happen than accommodate academically challenged kids to play football for a new lease on life...and to give back something that played a big role in building a great ND academic brand.

But that's just my 2 cents. I've been told by ND alumni here that I'm wrong and ND should stay honorable. Mind you, I know a few ND alumni personally that agree with me.
We've had a few talented offenses but not nearly enough
 
We've had a few talented offenses but not nearly enough


It was so different watching under Holtz. He really won 2 NCs, as the gift to FSU was a farce. College football was even more corrupt than today.

I never felt out-manned by the opposition. I remember towards the end it got a little more difficult. I vividly remember Holtz on national media saying quickly he isn't getting the talent he used to...code speak for saying the academic standards are actually now being enforced and I cannot get the usual players.

Things have never been the same. As we discuss many times here, it got a lot worse. Much as I don't like CBK, I give credit where it is due: he got ND back to respectability, a top 5 - 15 team consistently. I feel this is the max a school like ND can do.

Like I keep saying, The Holtz days are never coming back until college football changes or ND does.
 
I wouldn’t expect him to play at Stroud’s level just yet. Stroud’s a Heisman favorite. Buchner was making his first start.

You think Buchner is in Stroud's league?
 
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