What a dumb move. Barely had any time to get this new team with KD to gel. He should get a new head coaching job soon. Perhaps Milwaukee will hire him.
Monty Williams fired
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I don’t think Monty will be out of a HC position for long!
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It was a move that had to be done. Three straight embarrassing exits from the playoffs. Monty needs more seasoning with a young team or be the top assistant with a Miami/Golden State.
With or without KD you can’t lose elimination games by a combined 58 points at home in back-to-back years and expect to keep your job.
With or without KD you can’t lose elimination games by a combined 58 points at home in back-to-back years and expect to keep your job.
Fair argument. But what I wonder is who are they going to get that is convincgly better than Monty? Budenholzer? He has a ring but just also had an embarrassing exit from the playoffs. Doc Rivers? Another guy with a ring, but that guy has had many embarrassing playoff exits.
When you fire the head coach you basically overhaul the whole system. There's usually more than one reason why a team loses in the playoffs and Monty had proven to be a guy that the players loved and respected and could take them to the finals. If Denver wins the whole thing and I think they will, Phoneix will have lost to the NBA Champs in 2 of the last 3 years. Could it just be that it wasn't coaching that was the problem but that the other team was simply better? I don't know that there are many coaches that could have done better than Monty did. The Suns are talented but it's not as if they are the most talented in the NBA.
Sometimes teams need to hear a different voice. Players may need a change
At full health, the Suns are about as talented as there is in the NBA
Durant, Booker, CP3, Ayton
CP3 is one of the most overrated players in this generation. Thinks he's Curry. He hasn't done anything to earn that kind of respect. Ask around in the league and they'll tell you, he's not well-liked. The Suns won two playoff games against Denver without him and the argument was being made that the Suns are better without CP3.
Ayton, while talented has disappointed the Suns tremendously. They weren't eager to re-sign him.
Durant and Booker are legit scorers, but questionable on defense and my original argument stands that Monty had little time with KD joining the team. They had no identity and don't think it's fair to expect the Suns to have had one. Wasn't fair to Monty, in my opinion.
Kd is a top 5 player. Booker is a top 12 to 15 player.
Cp3 is one of the greatest PGs to ever live. Although he is old now. They had no chance adter he got hurt. Hes not well liked around the league. Because he's a flat out dawg. A pitbull. A competitor of the highest level. No one says they may be better without him. He's made every team hes gone too much better
And Ayton and Monty have a very poor relationship so hes not getting all he can out of Ayton. That was a huge problem and reason he got fired
Back to Monty. Who are the Suns going to get that is convincgly better than Monty to lead this team and win championships? This is my frustration. You fire a good coach and hire a new guy only to find yourself in the same or worse position.
He may not be a better coach. Maybe he will be a better fit. Maybe he will get more out of Ayton. Sometimes a change of voice is all it takes. Maybe he will be worse. They feel a change is needed. New owner. New direction
Budenholzer, Nurse, Doc and Vogel are 4 coaches with a Championship who are on the open market. Mark Jackson and Phil Handy are other names as well
Come on lol. There is no guarantee in any coaching change.
So basically you are saying no coaching change should ever be made. Thats just a silly comment
Mark Jackson was doing good as a coach. They made a change to Steve Kerr who never coached a game and won 4 titles. That was a maybe
There's example after example just like that all the time
Suns have been eliminated in embarrassing fashion last 2 years. He hasnt do enough to treat him like an untouchable. There's plenty of capable coaches I mentioned as options. More accomplished than him
You're right. There is no guarantee in coaching changes
I did not say no coaching changes should ever be made. I'm specifically looking at the Suns and Monty
I said...
Maybe is not a good enough reason to get rid of Monty in my opinion. That is the premise of this thread.
Jackson deserved to be fired. He tried to ruin Curry's career by playing him excessively. Kerr indeed was a maybe, but as we saw Kerr embarrassed Jackson by turning Warriors into a one seed and winning a title in the first year. Jackson's firing was justified as he lost too many winnable games. But unlike Monty, Kerr didn't have a dramatic roster change weeks before the playoffs.
Every coach gets embarrassed. That's not a reason to fire someone. There are more accomplished coaches than Monty. That doesn't mean they will do better than Monty.
Trading for KD was their death wish, they were a much better team the previous 2 years. NBA Finals appearance in 2021, the #1 seed in 2022. They were a much better team with Bridges, Johnson and Crowder.
Lol...they were 37 and 37 this year without KD. They were 8 and 0 with him in the regular season
They were struggling this year
Series was over when CP got injured
Doc got embarrassed and got fired. Same with Bud. Whats your obsession with Monty
He got embarrassed the last 2 season in the Playoffs. Thats why hes gone. That and not getting the most out of Ayton
They were better coaches that got fired in NBA history including this year.
No big deal
No obsession. As stated earlier, my frustration is good coaches getting fired and not having someone better to replace them. I used to be in the competitive coaching profession, so this is a big deal to me. And perhaps there were better coaches that got fired. Doesn't make it right.
Really bizarre response considering the 3 players they trader KD for werent part of their roster. The core that was instrumental in the 2021 finals appearance, #1 seed in 2022. Even adds to the fact they traded away the core of their team for a injury prone old man who could only play in 8 regular seasons games who is a shell of the border line Top 20 player he used to be!
What are you talking about. He got traded at the deadline. He averaged 29ppg this year
He's still elite and a top 5 player right now
Haha Top 5?? Embid, Joker, Giannis, Steph, Luka, Tatum, Brown, Lillard, Butler, Fox, Booker, Murray, Lebron.
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You’re right, forgot Kawhi, JA. Dude hasn’t made all NBA first team since he was with the Warriors- the Curry effect.
No rebuttal as you’re the only dude on the planet that thinks KD is a current Top 5 player in the world. It’s been 6 years since your boy was all NBA 1st team. Unreal
KD stopped being a top five player in my opinion when he stopped playing defense.
He'll never be better than when he was with Golden State. The culture of that organization challenges and holds the players accountable to do their best. KD basically played center at times and was phenomenal on both ends of the court. Why he left is something I'll never understand.
So do you ever consider Curry, Harden or Luka a top 5 player. Because he is still a better defender right now then they ever were.
Because he wanted to get respect for winning without the Warriors. He was also younger and wasnt injured so yeah thats obvious he won't be better than that
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Lots been written about this, and He’s made numerous references to always being treated as an outsider. Steph and Klay and Draymond were all Warrior draftees, and they had just set a season record for victories before Durant was added. His game fit into their system beautifully, but his personal needs did not. I think the on court fracas with Draymond was The exclamation point to his discontent.
No, I wouldn’t put Harden or Luca in my top five. I would put Steph there.
Yeah i know. But I would take that any day if it meant playing my best basketball ever and winning championships. His move to Brooklyn was a disaster and I doubt he's thrilled about being in Phoenix.
Unless he said that specifically, I don't think that claim can be made. And if it was the case... it didn't work out too well for him.
If he can still score with the best of them. He can still put up a strong effort of defense. Athletes who take care of themselves are lasting well into their late 30s these days.
You never had either as top 5 players in the league? Even when Harden was MVP and Luka the last 2 years? That's crazy
And so what is your Steph excuse because KD is still a much better defender than him right now
He would never say it out loud. It's just the general expected reason. He got crushed for going to the warriors. He never got the respect for winning because it was way too easy. He wanted to and had to win on his own
The only guy excelling late in his 30s in basketball is Lebron and even he's not close to the defender he used to be
Steph and KD are the only others really excelling at 35 and Curry sure doesn't play D and he scores with the best of them too
I remember him complaining that Steph got all the credit for their success and he was always number two. But in typical Durant fashion, he also said he didn’t need to be the number one guy to be happy. I think the move to Brooklyn to team with Harden and Irving was simply him thinking he would be happier playing with those guys than his Warrior teammates; and that he would be Viewed as instrumental to their success, rather than complimentary to the Warrior’s success. Didn’t work out very well.
How are you comparing Steph and KD at this stage of their careers? One is the defending champ..It’s not close. You’re the only dude on the planet that thinks KD is a current Top 5 player.
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