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Notre Dame has two players ranked inside the composite top 100 in 2025. Their competitors for national titles at the high p4 level sign about 10 of these kids and several of them are five stars
I don't understand how a program with Notre Dame's resources can fail so badly to correct the glaring obvious problem in the program which is the lack of upside in the talent
How is this not being corrected at Notre Dame? Can someone point me to how conceding your top talent in your class every year to your competitors is helping Notre Dame win national titles? Year after year after year after year after year after year of conceding nearly all of their best prospects to other programs
It makes no sense to me. What is the impediment? This question never gets asked and nobody at the program ever has to speak to it to the public in any way. I don't understand it
It makes no sense to you because you dont know what you are doing. You dont know what to look for in recruits or evaluate/project them at the next level so stop talking out of your ass sport. Im old enough to remember when you thought Moore, Bowen & the DE from Chitown were the elite talent ND needed to compete for titles. Turns out ND is thriving without them & the kids you were down on as not being good enough have put together a 1 loss season to date & are primed for a playoff run & will likely be ranked in the top 5 once the season ends.
Under Freeman ND has recruited elite players at every position with the exception of WR. ND has one of the deepest & most talented back 7 that is only getting deeper in the country. Our oline recruiting is the envy of CFB. Our QB room is deep. Our RB room is loaded. If Traore & Botehlo come back healthy we will have a great DE rotation next yr.. DT is the only real worry on D next year.
I usually will put some effort into my responses and provide all the numbers and data and evidence available. Site a bunch of sources use a bunch of advanced ranking systems cite the consolidated view of a prospect in the industry as rated by the professionals etc etc etc but I've done all that a million times and it simply doesn't resonate certainly not with you so I'm not even going to bother this time
I'll just say that I wish I could be as naive as you and find some kind of hope in this hopeless AF situation
I'll just say that I wish I could be as naive as you and find some kind of hope in this hopeless AF situation
The transfer portal is now the safety net for many programs in CFB. HS recruiting is of course important; however, there are now other ways to supplement a roster.
It’s a negative situation
WR is a mess, and not looking good for 26 either. Our 24 class, 2 of the 3 must turn out really good or WR will be a weakness when we have potentially really good throwing QBs.
We wasted the 23 season with poor WR play.
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Man you are boring........repetitive and bring nothing of interest to me so I'm not sure why I took you off ignore before but I know why I'm putting you back on ignore.
You can always get solid wrs in the portal
Greathouse
Faison
Smith
Williams
Gilbert
Saldate
Burress
Then if you get 1 of Richardson or Bettis to be solid and transfers we'll be fine.
Is it where we want to be, no. It's it a mess, also no. People don't realize how good Burress is yet and that is making people more nervous
Then you lean on the portal.
Come play with CJ Carr and the best OL in the country.
I'd be interested to see Mitchell, Collins, and Harrison with an elite OL and QB.
There isn't anyone on that list that's proven or you're confident can require an occasional double let alone be a game changer.
yeah I think Burress has a shot to be a good #2 (in an ideal situation) at WR, but we know what greathouse and faison are. Two slot WRs that aren't doing great on the field together because 1 is then out of position.
Mitchell is shockingly kind of slow, or at least plays that way for ND ( i expected much more, he hasn't taken the top off the defense yet)
Collins I thought was going to be a monster, but he's in his own head and struggling
Harrison is coming on strong
Point being, yeah you can get some solid player in the portal, but solid is as good as it gets for ND in the portal at WR. We need to lean on the portal for depth, not starters or game changers. They have to come from recruiting HS just like freeman says, and what we're not doing but maybe one class with Gilbert and Williams (those two, one has to become a stud for ND to be really good moving forward).
They're all underclassmen.
You're always negative. We get it. You wanted Freeman gone after his first game as a DC and you have to keep up that same energy because you want to be right
I agree w a lot of that.
But we don't throw. And Leonard isn't a guy who's going to facilitate a WR putting up big numbers.
That'll change w Carr.
Williams and Gilbert could end up being big time. And I think Burress too, is going to emerge.
Yes, I think it’s pretty hard to be as optimistic as Golson or as pessimistic as Nasty regarding our receiver room, and the class of 25 in particular. We clearly have some intriguing guys with big upsides…Gilbert and Burress and Richardson to name my top candidates. Williams is an enigma for me and a low floor high reward prospect at this point. Frankly, if we had commits from Golden and Zachary as receivers instead of defensive backs, I’d be pretty pumped with the class of 25. Watts to safety proved genius, and perhaps we’ll see a similar result with one of these guys moving to receiver.
You thought what I said was overly optimistic?
Saying it's not a mess is optimistic? Interesting
Nah, reacting to your opinion that we’ll be fine with having one of Bettis or Richardson be solid, etc…. In combination with an unknown transfer. I agree that Burress is much better than generally thought, but I think we need a couple outstanding receivers to get this team to the next level. I agree we have some talent and some very solid receivers, but we don’t have those difference makers. If our goal is to make the playoffs and seriously compete for national championships, I personally don’t think we’ll be fine with next year’s receiver room. I’m hopeful that Richardson turns out to be the guy, but that’s asking a lot.
Williams is the most talented wr on the roster
With the 7 guys we have coming back plus transfers and the freshman, we'll be fine
Faison Greathouse Smith and maybe Thomas and Colzie coming back are 5 guys who have played in this rotation. Add some good transfers no reason to think we won't be okay
And we don't need either Richardson or Bettis to play at all next year. They will most likely redshirt. Thats for the future
I agree…we’ll be Okay. But I think you’ll agree that this group lags in comparison to the potential we have at literally every other skill position.
Yeah it's the weakest. But also the easiest to get multiple players in the portal if needed.
I'll say it one more time: YOU treat Notre Dame football as professional, Notre Dame treats it as amateur...and I know, I know...they collect revenue, blah-blah-blah
Williams can’t even sniff the field yet at the easiest position to play … that’s not me writing him off, but I’m also realistic that the odds are against him if you can’t even get on the field with not great wr play
Bettis isn’t playing wr at any point
All of our wrs are rated 5.6 or 5.7… thats the worst in the last 30 years I’ve been following
Odds are that only one makes any form of impact at the position
Can you tell us how F+ is calculated and what it actually means? What is the actual criterion (criteria) against which F+ is validated?
He was an average DC that required Kelly to step in and help coach the D… that’s saying something
He has a chance to be a really good CEO.. we’ll see if he has taken a step forward this next 1-2 months. I sure hope so
I don't mind spending money on transfers that are proven vs some high school kid who hasn't played a down of college football. I feel like we should be able to find decent wide receivers in the portal more worried about defensive tackle recruiting those big boys are hard to find.
The problem is that there's very little upside/star players to be had in the transfer portal. Minus few exceptions, all of the upside is in highly rated HS prospects who haven't been evaluated/discarded by another FBS program.
We all want to guarantee a return on our investment with the least amount of risk possible .. but that comes at the cost of little to no upside on the roster.
ND needs to embrace the risk and have way more risk tolerance as it relates to their talent acquisition strategy/roster building.
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A lot of our top wrs didn't play or do much as freshman. He's way too talented to give up on. I won't be surprised if he is starting or our big play wr next year
I thought the same about Bettis before his senior year. Now I won't be surprised if he gets some run as an older player at ND
I don't care what Burress is rated. Although 247 now rates him in their top 247. I just watch the film and he could play. Don't care his ranking
If we only have 1 guy that impacts the position, okay. It's not the end of the world
Lol, that wasn’t your narrative when Deion was taking 45 transfers per year
Kelly has never impacted the defensive side of the ball. If he was able, last year at LSU would have been the year
Umm, that’s factually true. Stated by Kelly that he had to help change freeman’s structure he developed for 9 months for the team because it was moronic. He didn’t say the moronic part but I will. Frichan foskey dropping in pass coverage half his reps. Golden had to come in and slowly re coach all our current players from what ever freeman was trying to do and completely change the scheme.
I appreciate freeman not having too much of an ego and allowing golden to completely change the defensive scheme.
Ha, it’s 100% factual
For anyone with a brain, you could see how Kelly had our defense change part way through 2021, then golden made significant changes in the off season leading into 2022
Freeman even admitted how shocked he was at how bad the D scheme was vs Florida state
The only time I can remember that Kelly had to step in is against Florida state opener 2021 I believe. Coan was qb.
Freeman kept running a 3-3-5 and let Florida state Back in the game and he seemed to intervene.
Freeman kept running a 3-3-5 and let Florida state Back in the game and he seemed to intervene.
