My point he has had better talent than every team they’ve played, should be undefeated but no. Point is, they haven’t played anybody yet, will hold judgement. And what in gods name does Marshall/ND have to do with anything? Was your intent to compare BK/Freeman or we just talking LSU/BK? Let me know, and I’ll add commentary on NDs situation
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So you concluded this about MF in 4 games? Damn, thats impressive. Again any idea just how stupid your posts are? Shouldn't you be done embarrassing yourself?
According to 247 yes.
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Don’t agree with this at all. LSU’s roster was decimated and BK had very little time to pull in recruits and transfers. Between departures, gaps and injuries, no way you can say only Alabama has a better roster. He’s doing what was expected of him and they could easily be 5-0 right now.
That said, hard to see them winning more than 50% of this stretch.
That said, hard to see them winning more than 50% of this stretch.
If Freeman had recruited the QB Kelly brought in from ASU, ND would be 3-1 at worst. Kelly is top notch at roster management.
It's updated as of 9/28/22. It accounts for departures and transfers.
This post could and should be the last word on Kelly's time at ND..
Kelly has his work cut out for him, but they do appear to be playing hard for him. Watching the game, I got a kick out of him yelling at his defense near the game's finish. I couldn't hear what he was saying, but reading his lips, it looked like two rounds of "DO YOUR JOB!" And they did.
But he's also been pretty honest with the LSU fanbase, telling them last week that there would be both GOOD and BAD Saturdays over the balance of the season. And given he still has to play Tennessee, Arkansas, Bama, Florida, Ole Miss and A&M, THAT'S JUST A FACT.
If he goes 3-3 against that slate plus beats UAB, there's your 8-4. But it's by no means, GUARANTEED.
I wonder how MF and ND would do against that schedule?
I take your point, but, on the one hand, it may be a little generous.
From 09 to 15, Stanford had a W-L percentage of 78.7%. That's HOLTZ TERRITORY over his entire career. Even if you take Stanford up to 18, where they went an additional 28-12, they still come in at 76.1 %. Whereas, Kelly over his entire ND career, logged in at only 73.9%.
On the other hand, over his last five years, Kelly won at an 84.4 % clip which would clearly rate as a tier above Stanford 09 to 15, i.e. clinching your point.
Question is, is ND more likely structured to SUSTAIN 84.4% or 73.9%. My GUESS -- and that's all it is -- is that it's more likely -- ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL -- to pull something, BEST CASE, closer to 75% to 77% which would be ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME as Stanford 09 to 15 and/or 18.
But then, YOUR GUESS is as GOOD AS MINE.
score comparison are really useless; impossible to glean anything from mutual opponent data.
only the last 5 seasons. It's funny how the BK proponents only look at his last 5 years of a 12 year tenure.
How quickly they forget the losses to Navy, Tulsa, USF, etc. The 4-8 season in year 7. I prefer to look at the overall body of work. Was he a bad coach, no. Was he great, far from it. He was above average.
BK is NOT a great coach. Hes a good(above average) coach. Great coaches win big games and unfortunately he won very few of those while at ND.
you don’t need to be a great HC to win at LSU! example: last 2 NC’s they have won. LSU does not even need to recruit, great talent just knocks on their door! But, BK will mess it up! Twerk on it!
He is a Top 5 coach in College football whether people like him or not
You couldnt be more wrong , were you around for Ty , Charlie and Gerry and for that matter Bob ?
Yes and i was around for Holtz, Devine, and Ara. Kelly is not a great coach.
Jesus! ND folded A LOT under BK- Bama twice, Clemson twice, Miami, USC. I guess Id be remiss if I didn’t add Navy, UConn, Tulsa, USF, NC St, Duke.
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I’ll give him Top 10 but Saban, Dabo, Kirby, Day, Lincoln, Jimbo (guy won a Natty). Would also take the likes of Wittingham and Fickel if I was an AD.
The last 5 or so years under CBK showed marked improvement. I grudgingly conceded he had evolved. He became an excellent program manager, organizer, and hired good coaches to do less game day coaching. He intervened less but more appropriately in games, adjusting well more often than not.
I agree in big games ND sometimes choked. I don't think CBK had the charisma for deep inspiration. But there were games where ND didn't choke, like in the playoffs. Where the Irish simply were facing better players, where no coach would have been the margin of difference.
I believe CBK hit the ceiling at ND, getting the program to about what it could consistently do. As we keep discussing on other threads, ND just doesn't do what it takes to be elite. I think CBK knew this and moved on after so many year getting ND back to respect.
It remains to be seen if he can win a NC at LSU. And if Freeman can match CBK, which clearly isn't easy. This season is still long and a lot remains to be proven.
Yeah I was, just because they sucked doesn't mean BK is great. Your logic is quite flawed
The only place BK effed up at ND, and it really wasn't his fault, was when Golson was kicked off the team, which still to me is a bit of a tragic thing that I'll never forgive ND entirely for. If not for that we probably would have had a ten year run, and not just a five year run, building upon our MNC game appearance of 2012. But he definitely did F up the QB controversy thing very badly with Kizer/Zaire. As much as I love BK unconditionally, and would run through a wall for him, I wish I could have pleaded with him not to go down that road. We all have our imperfections, and that's BK's. But it did lead into, as fate does, and adversity drives you, into our great five year run of right up until today....
I think he struck out at QB with recruiting, and that's his defining shortcoming, if you're really trying to keep score, and knock him for something tangible. Not that we didn't get elite recruits at the position, but we didn't get enough of the right ones, I suppose.... But there's something beautiful, IMO at least, a beautiful irony or something like that, that the QB that finally lifted his program to the top at ND was the only real afterthought he recruited at the position, the only throwaway scholarship, that of course being the great Ian Book. So the football gods giveth and taketh away, as they always do, and naturally as a good ND fan I truly cherish the Ian Book years, so I guess I really wouldn't want it too much different....
So his time at ND was flawed, but he achieved his mission of getting ND back to the mountain top, even in spite of all the awful hater fans who didn't deserve it.
I think he struck out at QB with recruiting, and that's his defining shortcoming, if you're really trying to keep score, and knock him for something tangible. Not that we didn't get elite recruits at the position, but we didn't get enough of the right ones, I suppose.... But there's something beautiful, IMO at least, a beautiful irony or something like that, that the QB that finally lifted his program to the top at ND was the only real afterthought he recruited at the position, the only throwaway scholarship, that of course being the great Ian Book. So the football gods giveth and taketh away, as they always do, and naturally as a good ND fan I truly cherish the Ian Book years, so I guess I really wouldn't want it too much different....
So his time at ND was flawed, but he achieved his mission of getting ND back to the mountain top, even in spite of all the awful hater fans who didn't deserve it.
I mean, Kelly did get us in the top 10. But I had friends, non fans who were very angry when we got in the playoff last time because they knew we would be blown out and felt we didn't deserve it. Our bowl record was pretty woeful. I do think he was a very good regular season coach.
BK was an arrogant douche bag of a coach. He threw his players under the bus numerous times and never and I mean NEVER took responsibility when the team did poorly. Im glad this clown is gone, good riddance!
I don’t think that is necessary true. He seemed to that responsibility for the 2016 season and made some necessary changes which led to a successful 5 year run.
I still think BK is a dickhead and hope he fails at LSU.
“Watching the game, I got a kick out of him yelling at his defense near the game's finish. I couldn't hear what he was saying, but reading his lips, it looked like two rounds of "DO YOUR JOB!" And they did.”
🤮🤮the lsu site is called tigerdetails. It’d be great if the serial bloviator would slobber all over Kelly over there instead of here.
🤮🤮the lsu site is called tigerdetails. It’d be great if the serial bloviator would slobber all over Kelly over there instead of here.
Why is it so easy to root against BK!
BK must think this is a BigGame; he has his big game coach on!
BK must think this is a BigGame; he has his big game coach on!
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