And 19/35 221 yards 1 td and 19 points against UCLa
Like I said, he played solid.
How many quarters did Rourke play? They scored 56 points on that defense
Any way you slice it they were better than SC this year
LOL@ Indiana's stats vs OSU & Michigan
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Like I said, he played solid.
How many quarters did Rourke play? They scored 56 points on that defense
Any way you slice it they were better than SC this year
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UsC vs Nebraska, won by 8.....different team right
Indiana vs Nebraska, won by 49
Usc vs UCLa, won by 6.....different team right
Indiana vs Ucla, won by 29
So if they were a different team, they still performed much worse against the same competition
There is no way you can spin SC being on Indianas level this year other than bias and the name on the jersey
As a coach, you do not scout any opponent based off of the same opponents.
If Indiana was playing SC, they would NOT compare opponents. Indiana would not say well beat UCLA better than SC did so that makes us better.
Vandy beat Bama but lost to Georgia State. Bama was destroyed by a 6 win Sooners team. Georgia St won 3 games. Georgia Southern beat Georgia St.
You absolutely have to factor in the QB change.
You are the only person I know that says we beat these 5 teams better than you did so that makes us better.
Indiana played 1 team in the top 30, is that correct? No one on their schedule has more than 6 wins outside OSU and Michigan. Most only have 4 wins.
When you are comparing 2 teams you absolutely look at common opponents.
Indiana went 11 and 1. They beat 2 teams usc lost to
Usc went 6 and 6 they didn't beat anyone Indiana lost to and lost 2 teams Indiana beat
When you are comparing teams those things absolutely matter. 11 and 1 and 6 and 6 is a HUGE difference.
So the next thing is to go to the schedule and it can be a debate when they don't play the same teams. But they are in the same conf and played 5 common opponents.
Indiana performed better in all 5 to go along with a much better record. There is no possible scenario where anyone can say asC was the better team. It's a ridiculous argument
If you reverse the jerseys in that game then no one here would say we 'almost beat SC because of two 99 yard pick-sixes.'
Clemson lost to Georgia by 31 and was held to a field goal....then lost two more games before winning their conference title in a last second field goal. I fully expect Clemson to beat Texas even though they are 11.5 dogs right now. IU lost to OSU by 24....and somehow that disqualifies them against ND. People seem to have the idea that there won't be any surprises in this playoff. ND should win, but lets not be so dismissive against a team that has proven it belongs in this tournament.
If you are comparing opponents you can’t simply look at the box score. You have to look at the injury report you have to look at personnel changes.
SC having a totally different quarterback made a major difference in the way the offence looked especially when they played Notre Dame.
It does not matter how Indiana played against Washington versus how southern cal played against Washington.
SC lit up the Notre Dame defence in the second half Indiana‘s offense will not score as many points against Notre Dame than what SC did.
Indiana would not be able to stop the SC passing game.
Looking at how many points a team scores against a similar or the same opponent does not guarantee that Team would beat a certain team.
I don’t care if Indiana beat the same opponents that beat SC played by 28 points. That does not mean Indiana is a better team or a tougher match up for Notre Dame
No 11 and 1 compared to 6 and 6 says Indiana is the better team. The 5 common opponents is just the finality. Because if there was a big difference in schedules you can argue that, even though the record would be hard to do that with. The common opponents is just the point that there is no debate.
It absolutely means they are the better team. You have a better argument if you want to say "matchups". But better team is no debate
We'll probably never know but I wonder if CMF uses that video clip to motivate this team.
I'd bet money on it. "See these guys from Bloomington don't think you're worthy of being ranked ahead of them.. they think they're better than you.. they think you suck. They think they're gonna get the same team that lost to NIU.. "
I'd play that shit up Tuesday or Wednesday and just let it stew the rest of the week.
Who is better Bama or Indiana? Indiana has the better record
Are you really saying teams with better records are the better of the two teams?
SC lost 6 games but what half was less than a TD?
Indiana beat approximately zero top teams.
They beat the bottom feeders of the Big Ten
If there is a 5 game difference than yes that would mean one team is better than the other if they are both p4 teams.
Also the 5 game common opp sample size just ends any debate if there was one
USC also has 0 top 25 wins to go with 6 losses
USC is in the Big 10 as well. You know they lost to Maryland right?
Miller Moss, IMO, was the best QB on the USC roster. Simply a scapegoat for Lincoln Riley.
How many Indiana games did you watch?
The SC team that played ND looked better than any version of Indiana.
Nobody scouts a team and compares opponents, especially when some of the games are early in the season.
Indiana had a terrible SOS. SC was what 15?
As bad as Indiana was against OSU and Michigan, they're still a far better team than NIU. I've seen too many times over the years us losing to far inferior teams. While I expect to win, wouldn't be completely shocked either with a loss. Also, don't be surprised to see a ton of red in the crowd Friday night.
SC was 6 and 6
Indiana was 11 and 1
They played 5 of the same opps. SC went 3 and 2 in those games. Indiana went 5 and 0.
Indiana performed better in all 5 games.
You can't win this argument. It is impossible. In no world, in no ranking, in no data is SC the better team
There is no argument. As I stated, it’s opinion. No one can 100% say Indiana is better than SC unless they actually play. You can make any argument you want. The bottom line neither you nor me can say who the better team is. There is no “winning” the argument. It is strictly opinion.
Well they did beat Michigan, and I don't know how bad you have to be to actually defeat Michigan, but they won that game. IU is obviously a very good team. They just demonstrably are. So ND could easily have their hands full, and could easily lose. I just feel like there is no reasonable basis for betting the farm on ND. IU is clearly too good for that.
But that's a good thing, it's the playoff, that's what you want. I'm hoping/expecting all the games are competitive.
When it comes down to it, neither Indiana nor ND will have beaten any top 25 teams based on final regular season records - army just lost convincingly to navy.
Indiana lost to a good ohio st team away and notre dame lost to a very bad niu team at home. However Indiana beat both the champion and runner up champion from last year. And Michigan, who Indiana beat, beat Ohio St (full circle). Yes, ND opponent records ended up better.
To say indiana cannot score like usc, is a statement from someone that probably hasnt really seen them throughout the year. I was at IU’s first game (since my kids were performing at halftime there) and i have watched pretty much all their games, since they have actually been exciting to watch. I am a former season ticket holder of ND as well (w/family since early 70’s - from moose krause) and just let them go last year. So, i would say i know ND pretty well too.
ND defense is awesome, but 29-gray is the blatant weakness (multiple flags and big plays on him all game long at usc). The key to game is pressuring rourke. He is a precision passer and will eat them up (ie like usc), if given protection. When clicking, their rbs arent bad either. Indiana’s defense is really good too - and they pretty much held ohio states potent (best in the country) recievers in check. ND has a phenominal stable of RB’s, but Leonard (although improved) is still not a great passer and that can make them one dimensional - and easier for the Indiana defense.
ND should be able to win on talent alone (ohio st and Michigan are comparable talent wise). However if cignetti figures out how to protect rourke, i will not be surprised to see Indiana win the game.
If ND gets pressure on rourke and leonard has a great game - i see it being. 41-17 ND
If not, i could see it being 34-21 Indiana
Ill be there - so we shall see!
I watched IU play Michigan and OSU. The offense looked and played terrible in both of those games. Why? what was different about those 2 games? It was the opponent. When IU played bad to average teams they played good even great at times. However, when they faced a team with more talent, they looked bad to average.
My point, SC is loaded with talent. Now, they have their QB of the future starting and they took ND to the limit.
No way IU holds ND to less than 28 points. I see a 38-24 game. ND. I would say 41 but I am not sure that the ND FG team can make 2 FGs in one game lol.
Top 25 is subjective especially when you get 18-30 "ranked teams". You could make a good argument that ND played 5 "top 25 worthy teams"
A&M beat 2 "top 10 teams" 3 of their losses was to 2 top 5 teams (ND & Texas) South Carolina on the road the only real stinker was Auburn on the road.
Lville 3 of their 4 losses were 1 score top 10 teams Miami, SMU, ND they had 1 stinker where they blew a double digit lead to Stanford on the road.
Gtech beat 2 "top 10 teams" and 2 of their losses were to top 5 teams ND & Georgia in 8 ot's where they controled the game & really should of won other losses was on the road to Lville & Syracuse. Their only real stinker was loss in the road to Va tech.
Navy beat Memphis by double digits who is ranked in the "top 25" and only losses are to ND, Tulane where they lost their starting QB the 2nd series. Their only real stinker was Rice which was a 10 hour weather delay game the week after they played ND.
Army went 11-1 demolished Tulane in their Champ game & lost to rival Navy who got a bye and had 2 weeks to prep for them the next week.
Notre Dame played “…five top 25 worthy teams…”
One of the best spins I have ever read.
The Notre Dame 12 game 2024 regular season schedule was weak before the season started, and is weak after the season ended.
Spin that any way you wish.
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The talent on michigan and ohio st on average (like ND) is much better than IU, so you would expect a much tougher game or even a comfortable win. Michigans still has a good defense and they beat USC this year.
IU beat Michigan and lost to Ohio State (which lost to Michigan). For those 2 games - IU’s offense was challenged more than the other games. If cignetti can adjust now that he has those data points and give protection to rourke, this will be a tough game. If not, then ND should march on.
I agree Georgia Tech was good this year. They were screwed in the Georgia game If targeting was correctly called, all they had to do was kneel to win. I did forgot to consider the kicking situation. Yikes
You are spinning it yourself. At least you are trying very hard
25 is an arbitrary number
Texas am Louisville and GT finished 26, 27 and 29 I believe. The difference between 25 and 29 is nothing.
All 3 are good teams
IF you want to clarify it you just remove the worst loss for each team. Everyone has a bad loss. Except Oregon who escaped @ barely .500 Wisconsin by a fg.
Otherwise everyone knows the teams are closer together this in strength than most years past. You kind of have to get below #50 to say easy win.
