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LOL@ Indiana's stats vs OSU & Michigan

It's called advancing the discussion forward. I think the board understands the validity of F+ now so instead of being bogged down in lengthy arguments about the validity of the system we can advance the discussion forward.

F+ is powerful tool to assess the landscape of college football but its an automated formula/algorithm. You rely on the system where its strong (ranking all 130+ teams by their offensive, defensive, and special teams production/ranking them overall) but compensate for it where its weak or has blind spots entirely (individual matchups, roster attrition, team talent, etc.)

Also, this would be NDs best opponent all season, I agree. But that says more about the lack of quality of NDs schedule more than anything else.
No. You unilaterally declaring that the board "understands the validity of F+" doesn't make it so. You have been trying to shove F+ down everyone's throats for years. Not many people are buying.
 
ND beat multiple teams that beat top 10 opp.'s. A&M beat Mizzo & LSU who were top 10, Lville destroyed Clemson & was in 1 score games with Miami, SMU, ND and Tech beat Miami & lost in 8 ot's to Georgia. Army & Navy were undefeated & had everything to play for & nothing to lose and ND smacked them both. USC beat LSU & PSU needed a large comeback & OT to beat them. Troll better sport.
F+ is already doing the who beat who dance but on a far more comprehensive scale.

ND is 4th with a 1.92 F+ (their highest ever on record this late in the season) and Indiana is 9th with a 1.67 F+

Its funny but I would compare this post-season matchup to some of the post-season matchups ND has been on the other end of in the past where ND was ranked 10th or so facing a tier 1 or borderline tier 1 opponent that they were massively out talented and out produced by. And we all know quite well over the last 20+ years how those games have gone.

ND gets to be the tier 1 team who is outclassing their opponent on paper this time, and it would be a huge disappointment if they don't handle Indiana comfortably.
 
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Indiana is definitely a top 10 team. I expect ND to win but I do not expect a walk in the park. Rourke only attempted 18 passes vs osu. Indiana had a lot of 3 and outs and osu had 5 sacks.
Top 10 team? Lol. Based on what? Getting beat by the ONLY ranked team they played this year? It’s a joke they’re even in the playoffs. They played nobody
 
A&M
Louisville
SC
Navy
Army
Indiana would be 5th or 6th toughest
Nothing special about Indiana.
Not true at all. They are definitely better than Navy and Army. You got to be kidding with that

They are between 1 and 5. But closer to 1 to me

Indiana
Texas am
Louisville
GT
USC

Those are the 5 best teams we faced in some order. Army 6th
 
Between SC and Indiaana for third or fourth, People also forget USC played one of the toughest schedules in the country.
Indiana beat Michigan by 5. USC lost to Michigan by 3

Indiana beat UCLa by 27. Sc beat ucla by 6

Indiana beat Maryland by 14. Sc lost to Maryland by 1

Indiana beat Nebraska by 51. Sc beat Nebraska by 8

Indiana beat Washington by 14. Sc lost to Washington by 5

In no world was USC as good as Indiana this year.

Outperformed them in every common opponent
 
Indiana beat Michigan by 5. USC lost to Michigan by 3

Indiana beat UCLa by 27. Sc beat ucla by 6

Indiana beat Maryland by 14. Sc lost to Maryland by 1

Indiana beat Nebraska by 51. Sc beat Nebraska by 8

Indiana beat Washington by 14. Sc lost to Washington by 5

In no world was USC as good as Indiana this year.

Outperformed them in every common opponent
Looking at who played who means nothing. ND lost to who? Then ND went on a 10 game win streak and NI went 2-4 the next 6 games with loses to no one in the top 30.

Did Indiana beat anyone that I listed? No

Indiana 42 SOS
SC was 15
 
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Indiana beat Michigan by 5. USC lost to Michigan by 3

Indiana beat UCLa by 27. Sc beat ucla by 6

Indiana beat Maryland by 14. Sc lost to Maryland by 1

Indiana beat Nebraska by 51. Sc beat Nebraska by 8

Indiana beat Washington by 14. Sc lost to Washington by 5

In no world was USC as good as Indiana this year.

Outperformed them in every common opponent
Okay. And I said it's between them and USC for third and fourth. Didn't say USC was better, did I?
 
Indiana vs UCLA is a different animal than USC v UCLA in many ways. USC also played Penn St. Indiana did not. USC also played LSU. Indiana did not. USC had one G5 team on their schedule. Indiana had 2 and one FCS team and Purdue. Who they beat like ND did. The only win they have that makes you go hmmmm is Nebraska. That's the outlier. I'm not knocking IU. I'm saying USC is beter than their record.
 
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Not true at all. They are definitely better than Navy and Army. You got to be kidding with that

They are between 1 and 5. But closer to 1 to me

Indiana
Texas am
Louisville
GT
USC

Those are the 5 best teams we faced in some order. Army 6th
It's opinion. Navy vs Ind and Army vs Ind would surprise people.

Again, it's option. Indiana played no one outside of who beat them. That game was a joke
 
Top 10 team? Lol. Based on what? Getting beat by the ONLY ranked team they played this year? It’s a joke they’re even in the playoffs. They played nobody
If you told me that ND lost to OSU and Indiana lost to NIU....It would make alot more sense than reality. IU made it to the final 12. They need to be taken seriously.
 
If you told me that ND lost to OSU and Indiana lost to NIU....It would make alot more sense than reality. IU made it to the final 12. They need to be taken seriously.
Yes, take them seriously but they do not bring anything better than what ND has already faced. After Indiana it gets real tough
 
If you told me that ND lost to OSU and Indiana lost to NIU....It would make alot more sense than reality. IU made it to the final 12. They need to be taken seriously.
Indiana made the final 12 because of a very flawed playoff system, not because they are one of the best 12 teams in the country. They beat absolutely no one and lost to the only ranked team they played. There are several teams that did not make the CFP that would be favored over them if they played. That's the problem
 
Looking at who played who means nothing. ND lost to who? Then ND went on a 10 game win streak and NI went 2-4 the next 8 games with loses to no one in the top 30.

Did Indiana beat anyone that I listed? No

Indiana 42 SOS
SC was 15
Indiana was 11 and 1. Played 5 comparable teams and was better than SC in every single one of them

USC was 6 and 6 and played worse in every single comparable game

It's not debatable. 5 common opponents is a huge sample size and 12 game schedule says it's not close
 
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It's opinion. Navy vs Ind and Army vs Ind would surprise people.

Again, it's option. Indiana played no one outside of who beat them. That game was a joke
Their schedule was much better than Navys and Armys and they played better against a harder schedule.
 
Indiana made the final 12 because of a very flawed playoff system, not because they are one of the best 12 teams in the country. They beat absolutely no one and lost to the only ranked team they played. There are several teams that did not make the CFP that would be favored over them if they played. That's the problem
Well stated.

If Indiana is in the SEC, they aren't in the CFB Playoff, IMO.
 
This year? Easily one of their tougher opps
IU is a fringe top ten team that dodged Oregon, Penn St, Illinois in the Bloated BUG while playing Western Illinois Charlotte and Florida International ooc. Their accomplishment is that they took care of business against the .500 teams like Michigan.

I really don't know if the Hoosiers would be a favorite at Texas A&M or against Louisville, but if so it would be a small margin.
 
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IU is a fringe top ten team that dodged Oregon, Penn St, Illinois in the Bloated BUG while playing Western Illinois Charlotte and Florida International ooc. Their accomplishment is that they took care of business against the .500 teams like Michigan.

I really don't know if the Hoosiers would be a favorite at Texas A&M or against Louisville, but if so it would be a small margin.
If they are a fringe top 10 team....that is easily one of our tougher opponents like I said
 
Not really. Louisville and Texas am would be a good debate vs Indiana

Not SC
So basically when I said Indiana is probably the third best team, maybe 4th that was so far off the mark you felt the need to keep going over and over and over. Then again why am I surprised. It's what you do every day.
 
How fun would the board be if we all blocked Golsen and SJB? And yes I spelled it that way on purpose.
 
So basically when I said Indiana is probably the third best team, maybe 4th that was so far off the mark you felt the need to keep going over and over and over. Then again why am I surprised. It's what you do every day.
Just that they should be ahead of USC. That's all. You are keeping it going
 
How fun would the board be if we all blocked Golsen and SJB? And yes I spelled it that way on purpose.
Block me and have fun with that. No one is stopping you. Do you need support from others to do something for yourself? That is truly sad.

The board would be much better with you and savvy talking ND football 🤣
 
How fun would the board be if we all blocked Golsen and SJB? And yes I spelled it that way on purpose.
I do not give a shit what you do. I won't block you, regardless.

Posters I should block are: savvy, 4-4-3, ND88, Chaseball.

But I won't.
 
IU is a fringe top ten team that dodged Oregon, Penn St, Illinois in the Bloated BUG while playing Western Illinois Charlotte and Florida International ooc. Their accomplishment is that they took care of business against the .500 teams like Michigan.

I really don't know if the Hoosiers would be a favorite at Texas A&M or against Louisville, but if so it would be a small margin.
Indiana is a 5-3 team in the SEC, IMO.
 
If they are a fringe top 10 team....that is easily one of our tougher opponents like I said
Yes, we got basically the same situation as our expected to be tough opponents (@SC, FSU, @A&M) under-achieved. IU had to play Michigan-BYE-Ohio State but Michigan under-achieved.

The difference is no good middle teams on the Hoosier's schedule that could balance out Army, Navy, GTech, UL, A&M. That's why Colley rates IU's SOS as 87th with ours an even 40 spots higher.
 
Based on no facts of the season

Just your opinion and the name on the jersey.

What happened on the field says otherwise
I base this opinion off of the switch at QB. Maiava killed ND and played very well his last three starts, Over 900 yards in 3 games.
 
Indiana was 11 and 1. Played 5 comparable teams and was better than SC in every single one of them

USC was 6 and 6 and played worse in every single comparable game

It's not debatable. 5 common opponents is a huge sample size and 12 game schedule says it's not close
Looking at common opponent is not trustworthy. SC almost beat ND. Once they made the QB swith they became a problem.

Look at the injury reports of some of those games you are comparing.

SC vs ND was a dangerous team.

Indiana played 1 top team and looked awful.
 
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I base this opinion off of the switch at QB. Maiava killed ND and played very well his last three starts, Over 900 yards in 3 games.
He played solid against Nebraska and UCLA but not very well. And Indiana outperformed USC in those 2 games with Maiava
 
Looking at common opponent is not trustworthy. SC almost beat ND. Once they made the QB swith they became a problem.

Look at the injury reports of some of those games you are comparing.

SC vs ND was a dangerous team.

Indiana played 1 top team and looked awful.
Indiana was 11 and 1 and in 5 common opps they performed better.

Usc was 6 and 6 and performed worse

If you said 1 or 2 games using common opps maybe you have a better argument but not 5. That's a big sample size
 
He played solid against Nebraska and UCLA but not very well. And Indiana outperformed USC in those 2 games with Maiava
Solid?
VS Neb 25/35 259 2TD I INT and ran for a TD won 28-20 scored all the TDs
That's not just solid.
Rourke vs Neb 17/21 1TD 1INT 189 PASSING That would be a solid game
 
Indiana was 11 and 1 and in 5 common opps they performed better.

Usc was 6 and 6 and performed worse

If you said 1 or 2 games using common opps maybe you have a better argument but not 5. That's a big sample size
Again, different QB different team

You have 2 different SC teams. Th one with Maiava is a much better version of SC. Ask the ND coaches and players.
 
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