Logan Saldate
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I take your points -- MOST OF THEM, AT LEAST -- but don't you think that THAT SHIP HAS SAILED?
Given what ND has become STRUCTURALLY, given how it approaches the sport, what possible path is there to what you HOPE for? Personally, I don't see it. I've been an ND fan for almost 70 years. Since Lou Holtz left, there has been very little OPEN-ENDED UPSIDE as compared to previous decades.
Kelly got close at times, but he never had the horses -- IN TERMS OF RAW TALENT -- to make it over the hump. Against the best teams, there was ZERO MARGIN FOR ERROR and, in fact, mistakes were made that a narrow YET DECISIVE talent gap couldn't overcome.
Yet, ND, the institution, seems to be EXACTLY where it wishes to be, and the way it views football from what I can tell, is that its teams are GOOD ENOUGH. BRAND NAME CAPABLE/WORTHY.
Which makes the rest of it seem to me like a lot of MERCHANDISING and PR to keep interest at a certain level.
I don't see how, if you don't have SUPERIOR TOP-DOWN COMMITMENT at a given college that its football team can achieve PREEMINENCE. Not the way the teams that actually do have that kind of commitment now perform.
From any objective analysis, ND is well PAST ITS PEAK. Any championships it wins from here on out will either be MIRACLE SEASONS or the result of a kind of TOTAL COMMITMENT TO THE SPORT I don't see ND's admin undertaking.
And that's not a formula for winning championships.
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This thread is a joke, because of the babies who continually come here to whine about the same shit over and over and over again. I won’t open this thread again.
Congrats to Logan Saldate. He looks like a tough athletic kid. He has 36 months to prepare to come here and find a way to make an impact. I’d be he gets it done.
Congrats to Logan Saldate. He looks like a tough athletic kid. He has 36 months to prepare to come here and find a way to make an impact. I’d be he gets it done.
I've seen Freeman from the beginning as MORE OF AN AD than a coach. And I mean AD as in ADVERTISING, not athletic director.
A COMMERCIAL.
Now, for all anyone knows, he could DEVELOP into a coach, but I've never seen the EYE OF THE TIGER in him or a whiff of genuine coaching genius.
And to succeed at ND you pretty much need to be a COACHING GENIUS. All of the guys who didn't were all pretty smart and talented with the exception of Faust, WHO WAS CLEARLY OVER HIS HEAD.
But the coaches who got it done at ND were practically ALL HALL OF FAMERS.
Does Freeman strike anyone as a future HOF coach? Especially at a place like ND with all of the hoops one has to jump through?
If it's in him, I CERTAINLY DON'T SEE IT.
But then, I've been wrong many times.
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Best recruit we’ve seen? Nope. But that’s just fine. WR room is solid right now.
Don’t worry Logan, if you decommit this year, half the board will say you were the next coming of Christ.
Don’t worry Logan, if you decommit this year, half the board will say you were the next coming of Christ.
Nobody is getting jerked-up about anything catfish. Tyreek Hill considered the olympics running 10.19; 10.2 and below you are knocking on the door of WORLD-CLASS speed, just a notch above elite. Ty Hill won the state title in long jump, as a senior, with a distance shorter than the kid we just signed - who did it as a sophomore. Our kid has elite track stats. Not world-class.
His highlight film is impressive. He has a lot of talent. I believe he will develop well.
I won't argue that we don't have tons of 5 star guys this year...BUT a few facts
1. With this class ND brings balance to almost all roster numbers. This is very important
2. Almost everyone taken is projected to be a high contributor or starter level in their career
This is a class that could be a bedrock class. That is the guys that stay 4-5 years and fill in all the necessary roles, giving the staff the stability and flexibility to reach next year and the year after on some elite guys.
Recruiting isn't about stars or rankings. It's about relative value over a 3-5 year period. This class is very important to Notre Dames future.
Enjoy your fandom at Ohio st. Or Alabama or Georgia. The schools that provide cash money up front. I'll stick with the Irish.
Not the right thread for a welcome, the kid looks like a solid player and has track speed which you need, if you want to take a 5 yarder to a 95 yarder. No issues and welcome!!
ND has done what they need to stay in the top, they have not achieved the top in a very long time. Maybe their longest drought.
The stadium and facilities are second to none and they continue to invest in them. The equipment and media contracts and schedule is second to none.
The coach was not a home run selection day one, we don't really know if or when he will be, but he did win a bowl against an SEC opponent and is 1-0 in bowl games where he was the non-acting coach. He also laid some eggs along the way, as did Lou and others season 1 including BK and Tulsa.
There are also things happening outside of their control, the downward spiral of faith and catholic schools that was a traditional recruiting ground.
There are, however, enough 4/5 star kids out there that want to come to ND, can grade at ND but you have to get them all. We have missed on plenty of top students that are 4/5 star. You have the mechanism now, NIL. Do something good with it for all sports, not just football. Make ND elite in every sport.
The reality is, IMHO, we can go T-T with anyone over the last few seasons under BK with the exception of one thing. We have not had a Heisman caliber RB / QB combo and a Defense with LB's that can run.
Solve those 2 problems, which we have in 2023, lets enjoy the ride. I think this year might be special. Its just a REALLY brutal schedule with OSU, Clemson and USC. Thats 3 potential playoff contenders.
We have to basically beat the probably B10, ACC and Pac champ just to have a shot. We will see this year what a QB can do that gets rid of the ball to an open receiver.
ND has done what they need to stay in the top, they have not achieved the top in a very long time. Maybe their longest drought.
The stadium and facilities are second to none and they continue to invest in them. The equipment and media contracts and schedule is second to none.
The coach was not a home run selection day one, we don't really know if or when he will be, but he did win a bowl against an SEC opponent and is 1-0 in bowl games where he was the non-acting coach. He also laid some eggs along the way, as did Lou and others season 1 including BK and Tulsa.
There are also things happening outside of their control, the downward spiral of faith and catholic schools that was a traditional recruiting ground.
There are, however, enough 4/5 star kids out there that want to come to ND, can grade at ND but you have to get them all. We have missed on plenty of top students that are 4/5 star. You have the mechanism now, NIL. Do something good with it for all sports, not just football. Make ND elite in every sport.
The reality is, IMHO, we can go T-T with anyone over the last few seasons under BK with the exception of one thing. We have not had a Heisman caliber RB / QB combo and a Defense with LB's that can run.
Solve those 2 problems, which we have in 2023, lets enjoy the ride. I think this year might be special. Its just a REALLY brutal schedule with OSU, Clemson and USC. Thats 3 potential playoff contenders.
We have to basically beat the probably B10, ACC and Pac champ just to have a shot. We will see this year what a QB can do that gets rid of the ball to an open receiver.
Very level headed response. I agree …. 100 percent. Good post.
36 months? The kid will be on campus and practicing in 11 months, and if he is an EE, 6 months.
Assuming he redshirts year 1, then is competing for PT as a RS soph or maybe RS junior.
It’s not like we’ll need him to play vs Texas AM.
St Lou said You can find a diamond in the rough but you can't earn a living that way.
If he commits and then decommits sometime before the early signing period and there's no time to find another body to replace him, then yes fans will rightfully be pissed off. Not because they think Logan is going to turn into the next randy moss, but because ND will have limited time to find another body to replace him with, and that replacement will likely be someone even lower on their board.
And on another note: The community here at Under The Dome is starting to feel like it's taking on an anti-intellectual culture. It's almost like being well researched, smart, and analytical with data, references, resources, and opinions grounded in evidence is turning you into an enemy of the community here.
Instead of board members being appreciative of enthusiastic passionate fans sharing their well researched and thought out opinions they are being chastized and alienated instead.
Are people that desperate to live in a delusional state regarding the football program? Like you don't even want reality you just want smoke blown up your ass.
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Mr. Gloom and Doom with his latest thoughts on the death spiral of the ND football program.
A significant diffference is that you rely on data that is not relaible and claim its importance more based on your opinion than fact. Unfortunately, you also provide a foundation for your so-called analysis that shows no understanding of the Notre Dame nor any respect for its culture. Your posts are not intellectually-based, but simply a narcissistic personal view.
Every once in a while you make a little tongue in cheek comment and someone writes a book complaining that the forum is in shambles. Lighten up Chase, the sun is going to rise tomorrow.
It means you can occasionally find a star player in a pool of average players dumbo.
Do you have an example? I reference 247sports, Yahoo Sports, Bill Connelly at ESPN (SP+), Brian Fremaeu at FootballOutsiders (F+). These aren't some basement-ran establishments, these are reputable resources with large teams of professionals who publish college football journalism, composite recruiting databases that go back multiple decades, advanced ranking models that are the industry standard, etc.
You (the community) don't want information about Notre Dame football though. You just want to read niceties about the Irish that confirms your own bias no matter how inaccurate that information is.
I used to think it was the local ND media people who were corrupt or in bed with ND as it relates to their reporting style (just pushing ND Football propaganda to the masses) but I think overtime this board has taught me that the local ND media people are just serving the market what it demands: feel good bullshit about their favorite football team (accuracy, reality, truth, etc. be damned)
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Hey chase my balls. Irish landed the #3 linebacker. I'm sure he isn't up to your lofty standards. lololol
I would argue there is a better LB than him. He already benches 225 at 20 reps those are combine results and he is a junior in high school. There are dudes in the NFL that do not do it any better.
Logan left because the back field was getting too loaded and his carries would be cut with a healthy Price around Logan goes backwards. Love is a top 100 recruiter who will not stay on the bench very long
